Which gaming laptop ??

[Mo5a]

Hi there , i want to buy a gaming laptop that i will use also for the study of engineering so my idea here is to have a powerful laptop in these days and continue with me for 6 or 7 years in terms of graphics preformance untill it can't run AAA TITLE so at that moment i will use external gpu so the laptop must have a thunderbolt 3 or AW graphics ampilifer . 

After months in research i have found some good laptops in the price range 1600 -1800 $ US dollars 

1- https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M1MYZ0Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487788936&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=alienware15+r3

2 -https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LD4MGSK/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1487789174&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=acer+predator+laptop

3-https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01IO9YB8K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487789055&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=msi%2Bgs63vr&th=1&psc=1

 

What i want to know

1- if the price difference will get me better cooling system or not ??

2 - which one of these have better 

a- cooling system ??

b - battery life ??

 

 

note : i was thinking to use asus xg station 2 in the future as egpu but in this video the preformance was downgraded by 30-40 % of the original power of the graphics card  

 

While the alienware graphics amplifier only downgrade 5-10% of the original power of gpu , so my question here too is :

do i get alienware nw as it has better support for egpu or not ??

 

thanks in advance ?

[genexis_x]

33 minutes ago, Mo5a said:

What i want to know

1- if the price difference will get me better cooling system or not ??

2 - which one of these have better 

a- cooling system ??

b - battery life ??

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Alienware-15-R3.htm
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-15-G9-593-Notebook-Review.187314.0.html
I will not recommend gtx 1060 laptop (the msi gs63vr) for this price range.
Both laptops are good enough. Choose the one that has the specs you liked.

[Mo5a]

3 minutes ago, ZM Fong said:

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/notebooks/Alienware-15-R3.htm
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-15-G9-593-Notebook-Review.187314.0.html
I will not recommend gtx 1060 laptop (the msi gs63vr) for this price range.
Both laptops are good enough. Choose the one that has the specs you liked.

They have similar specs i want to know how good each laptop brand in the cooling system because i heard that alienware 15 r3 have cpu heat problems ??

[genexis_x]

3 minutes ago, Mo5a said:

They have similar specs i want to know how good each laptop brand in the cooling system because i heard that alienware 15 r3 have cpu heat problems ??

Both laptops run a bit hot according to user reviews
The slimmer the laptop is the hotter it runs.

Laptop brand doesn't contribute to good/bad cooling. Look for online reviews for a laptop model.

[Pendragon]

4 hours ago, Mo5a said:

They have similar specs i want to know how good each laptop brand in the cooling system because i heard that alienware 15 r3 have cpu heat problems ??

I have the AW15 r3. out of the box, (because I had the first batch), it had the most broken temps i've ever seen because the heatsink was just broken and the thermal pad design was stupid. 

 

They have fixed it now. Emphasis "fixed". Not great, but ustable. But only some. Even on the new machines it's really easy to get a machine with broken temps. So...you can either buy it and RMA it until you get a good one, or you can buy one and fix it yourself. 

 

The Alienware Graphics Amp and the MSI GS30 dock are the only good eGPU solutions at the moment. TB3 is still shit for performance. 

[Mo5a]

53 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

I have the AW15 r3. out of the box, (because I had the first batch), it had the most broken temps i've ever seen because the heatsink was just broken and the thermal pad design was stupid. 

 

They have fixed it now. Emphasis "fixed". Not great, but ustable. But only some. Even on the new machines it's really easy to get a machine with broken temps. So...you can either buy it and RMA it until you get a good one, or you can buy one and fix it yourself. 

 

The Alienware Graphics Amp and the MSI GS30 dock are the only good eGPU solutions at the moment. TB3 is still shit for performance. 

Soo u r telling me that if i want a stable egpu support for years to go to msi or alienware ????

[Pendragon]

42 minutes ago, Mo5a said:

Soo u r telling me that if i want a stable egpu support for years to go to msi or alienware ????

if you want performance at all, you can ONLY go MSI or Alienware. TB3 is still shit for performance. Good for adaptability, shit for performance. 

[Mo5a]

57 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

if you want performance at all, you can ONLY go MSI or Alienware. TB3 is still shit for performance. Good for adaptability, shit for performance. 

Ok ,, what do u think of the acer one that i put up in the post ,, do u know anything about its cooling system ????

[Snikerdoodlz]

I read the ultrabookreview.com's verdict, and it did not mention anything spectacular about cooling. It's not bad and certainly keeps the laptop within reasonable temperatures under load. The Acer has TB3, which is not very good for performance. I have an Alienware Graphics Amp that I use with my 15 R2 although I haven't specifically benched its framerates or anything else. It works spectacularly, though, and Alienware has a wide-ish range of laptops to choose from. including all last-gen laptops, too.

[Pendragon]

2 hours ago, Mo5a said:

anything

The predator? Fine. But no reason to ever buy it unless heavily discounted. Clevo's better in every aspect. Other brands like aw have certain advantages like eGPU. The predator has none. 

[Mo5a]

20 hours ago, Snikerdoodlz said:

I read the ultrabookreview.com's verdict, and it did not mention anything spectacular about cooling. It's not bad and certainly keeps the laptop within reasonable temperatures under load. The Acer has TB3, which is not very good for performance. I have an Alienware Graphics Amp that I use with my 15 R2 although I haven't specifically benched its framerates or anything else. It works spectacularly, though, and Alienware has a wide-ish range of laptops to choose from. including all last-gen laptops, too.

 

19 hours ago, Pendragon said:

The predator? Fine. But no reason to ever buy it unless heavily discounted. Clevo's better in every aspect. Other brands like aw have certain advantages like eGPU. The predator has none. 

 Ok now i decide to get the alienware but we still have a little problem which is the heat issue , i have heard that the kabylake version is better in cooling from this video what do u guys think ?? @Pendragon 

 

[nizmoz44]

On 2/24/2017 at 2:50 AM, Mo5a said:

Hi there , i want to buy a gaming laptop that i will use also for the study of engineering so my idea here is to have a powerful laptop in these days and continue with me for 6 or 7 years in terms of graphics preformance untill it can't run AAA TITLE so at that moment i will use external gpu so the laptop must have a thunderbolt 3 or AW graphics ampilifer . 

After months in research i have found some good laptops in the price range 1600 -1800 $ US dollars 

1- https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M1MYZ0Q/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1487788936&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=alienware15+r3

2 -https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LD4MGSK/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1487789174&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=acer+predator+laptop

3-https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01IO9YB8K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1487789055&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=msi%2Bgs63vr&th=1&psc=1

 

What i want to know

1- if the price difference will get me better cooling system or not ??

2 - which one of these have better 

a- cooling system ??

b - battery life ??

 

 

note : i was thinking to use asus xg station 2 in the future as egpu but in this video the preformance was downgraded by 30-40 % of the original power of the graphics card  

 

While the alienware graphics amplifier only downgrade 5-10% of the original power of gpu , so my question here too is :

do i get alienware nw as it has better support for egpu or not ??

 

thanks in advance ?

He posted an update to that video which was much better performance.

 

 

[Mo5a]

1 hour ago, nizmoz44 said:

He posted an update to that video which was much better performance.

 

 

Yeah i saw it but not that much of preformance it increases only from 9 to 12 % which is from 4 to 8 fps in each game ????

[Pendragon]

On 24/02/2017 at 7:33 PM, Mo5a said:

snip

I already told u. Fix it ur self, or RMA it until u get a decent one. Also Kaby Lake just makes heat issues worse because it's hotter than Skylake. 

 

1 hour ago, nizmoz44 said:

much

Still shit. You get far better performance from direct PCIE out like AGA. in addition his increased performance is a result of no more loop back mode. Requires a external display. 

[Snikerdoodlz]

On 2/24/2017 at 1:33 PM, Mo5a said:

 

 Ok now i decide to get the alienware but we still have a little problem which is the heat issue , i have heard that the kabylake version is better in cooling from this video what do u guys think ?? @Pendragon 

 

I would think that this issue would be a function of the thermal compound on both systems, as a "tock" (still 14nm) is very unlikely to be the sole cause of an 18 degree difference in temperatures. If you'd like, you could go a bit DIY and re-paste the CPU and GPU, although they're not easily accessible. You could go to an electronics repair store, but depending on the cost, it might offset the cost of a 7700HQ.

 

I just looked on eBay, and 6700HQ models http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-ALIENWARE-15-R3-i7-6700HQ-8GB-1TB-GTX1060-6GB-1080p-FHD-VR-Ready-99WHR-Btry-/232234718164?hash=item36124493d4:g:uk4AAOSwa~BYeAMf are as low as $1,200 Dell refurbished. Directly from Dell, the 7700HQ is right now at $1,400 ($1,500+ with taxes). $300 for a heatsink re-paste is most certainly not what most places would charge.

 

Summary: Buy the Skylake one and, if temperatures be a problem, re-paste it either yourself or by a professional. Save more money for the GA and/or a GPU.

 

Side note: Do you want nVidia or AMD? 15s on eBay have either a 1060 or RX 470.

[Mo5a]

3 hours ago, Snikerdoodlz said:

I would think that this issue would be a function of the thermal compound on both systems, as a "tock" (still 14nm) is very unlikely to be the sole cause of an 18 degree difference in temperatures. If you'd like, you could go a bit DIY and re-paste the CPU and GPU, although they're not easily accessible. You could go to an electronics repair store, but depending on the cost, it might offset the cost of a 7700HQ.

 

I just looked on eBay, and 6700HQ models http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-ALIENWARE-15-R3-i7-6700HQ-8GB-1TB-GTX1060-6GB-1080p-FHD-VR-Ready-99WHR-Btry-/232234718164?hash=item36124493d4:g:uk4AAOSwa~BYeAMf are as low as $1,200 Dell refurbished. Directly from Dell, the 7700HQ is right now at $1,400 ($1,500+ with taxes). $300 for a heatsink re-paste is most certainly not what most places would charge.

 

Summary: Buy the Skylake one and, if temperatures be a problem, re-paste it either yourself or by a professional. Save more money for the GA and/or a GPU.

 

Side note: Do you want nVidia or AMD? 15s on eBay have either a 1060 or RX 470.

The problem here that the laptop should be ready out of the box without any issues so do u think which cpu is far away from this problem despite the cost ??

 

side note : i want nividia 

 

[Pendragon]

9 hours ago, Mo5a said:

The problem here that the laptop should be ready out of the box without any issues so do u think which cpu is far away from this problem despite the cost ??

 

 

6700HQs should be fine as you cannot OC it anyway. As long as it doesn't throttle below 3.1 that's fine. I have a 6820HK so i needed to OC the shit out of it and needed lots of fixing.