New Ryzen Build

[TheOnlinePotato]

I am planning a ryzen build in the near future just looking for peoples thoughts on it. this is my planned build

 

CPU    : AMD r7 1700x                                    

Cooler: Phanteks ph-tc12dx

MOBO: Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5

Ram   : G.Skill Trident Z 4x8GB 3200mhz

GPU   : ASUS GTX 1080 Turbo

HDD   : WD Blue 1TB

SSD   : Kingston SSD now 240GB

CASE : Thermal Take View 27 

I live in New Zealand the total cost will be about $3000

 

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

 

Don't buy kingston SSDs

 

What's your displays set up?

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

Don't buy kingston SSDs

 

What's your displays set up?

on the ssd already got it in my current rig.

displays one 1080 but will be upgrading this in future.

[HKZeroFive]

Just wait for benchmarks first. That is all.

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

I really don't understand why they keep boosting RAM clocks, they boost the clock speed to make it sound impressive, but the CAS timings all go up, too, to the point where I can't tell if it's even a net benefit. Do we have a RAM channel count on the new Ryzen parts?

yeah the crazy speeds are kind of useless but the trident zs are the only black/white themed ram in nz hence why im after them

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, HKZeroFive said:

Just wait for benchmarks first. That is all.

 

I said near future not straight away.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

on the ssd already got it in my current rig.

displays one 1080 but will be upgrading this in future.

Then don't buy a 1080 for sure, because that's pointless with your display

 

you're better off with an RX 480 and a display upgrade

 

all of these are free-sync displays, G-sync displays are generally far more expensive
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/XgxzGf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/XgxzGf/by_merchant/

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB NITRO+ Video Card  ($419.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Monitor: AOC G2770PF 27.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($559.00 @ DTC Systems)
Monitor: LG 27UD68-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($745.00 @ PC Force)
Monitor: LG 29UM68-P 29.0" 2560x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($453.28 @ Aquila Technology)
Total: $2176.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 16:19 NZDT+1300

 

[HKZeroFive]

2 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

I said near future not straight away.

Let's be honest, we have no idea of how Ryzen performs in general yet you're already planning to have it in your build. We're just as clueless as you are. Combined with the fact that there may be other products releasing before you actually build, I suggest you ask again later.

[TheOnlinePotato]

5 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Then don't buy a 1080 for sure, because that's pointless with your display

 

you're better off with an RX 480 and a display upgrade

 

all of these are free-sync displays, G-sync displays are generally far more expensive
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/XgxzGf
Price breakdown by merchant: https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/XgxzGf/by_merchant/

Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB NITRO+ Video Card  ($419.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Monitor: AOC G2770PF 27.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor  ($559.00 @ DTC Systems)
Monitor: LG 27UD68-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor  ($745.00 @ PC Force)
Monitor: LG 29UM68-P 29.0" 2560x1080 60Hz Monitor  ($453.28 @ Aquila Technology)
Total: $2176.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-24 16:19 NZDT+1300

 

look i am upgrading my display to an ultrawide 1440p the 480 sucks dick the 1080 is good

[Droidbot]

12 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

I really don't understand why they keep boosting RAM clocks, they boost the clock speed to make it sound impressive, but the CAS timings all go up, too, to the point where I can't tell if it's even a net benefit. Do we have a RAM channel count on the new Ryzen parts?

I've seen cheap 3k Mhz kits on PCPP with the same CAS latency as 2133Mhz kits.. 

 

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[TheOnlinePotato]

4 minutes ago, Droidbot said:

I've seen cheap 3k Mhz kits on PCPP with the same CAS latency as 2133Mhz kits.. 

 

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this wait for benches nonsense do people really have that little faith in amd or do they want to believe Intel is the best and amd can never beat them?

[TheOnlinePotato]

3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Yes, and the conditions that they tested with, presumably in a lab (press slides claim testing methodologies were included, I haven't found any) are obviously far different from your warm sweaty gaming den.

true on the testing conditions.but if the chips arent as good as they say they are it would be financial suicide..

[TheOnlinePotato]

2 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

AMD's whole strategy for the past 10 years has been just that, so it isn't unfathomable.

they do have a good history of shooting themselves in the foot. its just nice to think they could end intels fucked up monopoly of the market

[Droidbot]

4 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

this wait for benches nonsense do people really have that little faith in amd or do they want to believe Intel is the best and amd can never beat them?

'nonsense' 

 

Why would you buy a product without an independent, seperate source saying it's performance? I don't trust rumors or what AMD says themselves due to them being a biased source towards their own product. 

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

'nonsense' 

 

Why would you buy a product without an independent, seperate source saying it's performance? I don't trust rumors or what AMD says themselves due to them being a biased source towards their own product. 

thats true but people take intels word for gospel.

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

look i am upgrading my display to an ultrawide 1440p the 480 sucks dick the 1080 is good

That's the worst way to do it, because faster GPUs are always coming out or GPUs are always getting cheaper, and a 1080 will be like 30-40% utilized at 1080p, like the 1080ti is going to launch soon and it'll be way more capable for 3440x1440p gaming

 

the RX 480 is more than capable at 1080p, you're going to have the exact same experience overall on both cards until you upgrade your display
 

and it looks like it's about $1000 for a no-sync 3440x1440p display
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/FWDzK8/aoc-monitor-u3477pqu

and $2200 for a G-sync display with the same panel, but higher refresh rate at 100hz for double the price, but your 1080 wouldn't be able to really push the display to it's limit without dropping settings
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/vhkwrH/asus-monitor-rogswiftpg348q
 

And if you're buying your monitor for gaming, this display has free-sync, and is about $1200, and while it is 2560x1080p, it's 144hz and IPS, then when Vega launches you could upgrade to that and totally max out this display
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/LrcMnQ/lg-34uc79g-b-340-144hz-monitor-34uc79g

Reviews of the LG display
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_34uc79g.htm
 

 

[Droidbot]

1 minute ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

thats true but people take intels word for gospel.

I don't. I'm a skeptic until someone shows me unbiased, independent numbers.

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Yis mein father, yis.

 

I keep seeing this, just buy high end. I plan for these franken-stations to last me a decade so I don't have to care.

thats what im planning on doing. a system that lasts onhigh frame1440p

[TheOnlinePotato]

4 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

That's the worst way to do it, because faster GPUs are always coming out or GPUs are always getting cheaper, and a 1080 will be like 30-40% utilized at 1080p, like the 1080ti is going to launch soon and it'll be way more capable for 3440x1440p gaming

 

the RX 480 is more than capable at 1080p, you're going to have the exact same experience overall on both cards until you upgrade your display
 

and it looks like it's about $1000 for a no-sync 3440x1440p display
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/FWDzK8/aoc-monitor-u3477pqu

and $2200 for a G-sync display with the same panel, but higher refresh rate at 100hz for double the price, but your 1080 wouldn't be able to really push the display to it's limit without dropping settings
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/vhkwrH/asus-monitor-rogswiftpg348q
 

And if you're buying your monitor for gaming, this display has free-sync, and is about $1200, and while it is 2560x1080p, it's 144hz and IPS, then when Vega launches you could upgrade to that and totally max out this display
https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/LrcMnQ/lg-34uc79g-b-340-144hz-monitor-34uc79g

Reviews of the LG display
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_34uc79g.htm
 

 

im looking for a system to last on 1440p the rx 480 dosn't cut it.and also pc part picker is shit for nz customers 

[TheOnlinePotato]

3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

If you really want to do that, you're going to have to go much higher spec than you have right now.

 

For example, these 10 8 year old processors are crutched-up only by the fact that there are two of them, and I suppose the same will be the same in ten years for current high-end.

 

If you really want a machine for the decade, it has to be way up there.

how much did your pcs cost if you dont mind telling.

[Streetguru]

8 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

im looking for a system to last on 1440p the rx 480 dosn't cut it.and also pc part picker is shit for nz customers 

Nothing will last for 1440p 144hz or 1440p 21:9 100Hz

 

here's a high refresh rate system build from gamers nexus, and while the 1080 is pretty capable overall at 2560x1440p, it won't be for very long

now 2560x1080p, that'll run for a while on a high end GPU since you're trying to hit 144hz

 

the whole point is that it's worthless to buy a 1080 with a 1080p display, when a 480 will run your display just fine, then you can upgrade the display much sooner, and the 480 will still be fine overall at slightly lower settings if you get the 2560x1080p 144hz display

and then you can either throw in a 2nd 480, or Upgrade to Vega which should be faster than a 1080 anyways, and is coming in Q2

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How soon were you going to even be able to upgrade your display?
 

 

[TheOnlinePotato]

3 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Nothing will last for 1440p 144hz

 

here's a high refresh rate system build from gamers nexus, and while the 1080 is pretty capable overall, at 2560x1440p, it won't be for very long

now 2560x1080p, that'll run for a while on a high end GPU since you're trying to hit 144hz

 

the whole point is that it's worthless to buy a 1080 with a 1080p display, when a 480 will run your display just fine, then you can upgrade the display much sooner, and the 480 will still be fine overall at slightly lower settings if you get the 2560x1080p 144hz display

and then you can either throw in a 2nd 480, or Upgrade to Vega which should be faster than a 1080 anyways, and is coming in Q2

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How soon were you going to even be able to upgrade your display?
 

 

alright compromise the 1070 is better than the shitty 480 and not too overkill for 1080.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Let's not make any assumptions.

Pretty much has to be if AMD is going to try and take any ground at the high end, the engineering samples so far seem to at least be slightly faster in DOOM, which is a best case scenario for AMD of course.

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, TheOnlinePotato said:

alright compromise the 1070 is better than the shitty 480 and not too overkill for 1080.

In what way the 480 shitty exactly? A 1070 even is overkill for your current display. And then you still have the more expensive G-sync display to buy. A decent 8 GB 480 will get you 70-80% the performance a 1070 gives you.

and once you buy your 3440x1440p display, the 1070 will not be able to keep up with your display very well. Where as you could wait, and be fine, and then get Vega or the 1080ti which will actually run the 3440x1440p display, or the 2560x1080p 144hz display
 

Here's more current 480 benchmarks, it's pretty much surpassed the 1060 overall, especially in DX12/Vulkan, and it's more than fine for your current display
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You also didn't mention when you were going to be able to upgrade your display
 

 

 

[TheOnlinePotato]

1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

In what way the 480 shitty exactly? A 1070 even is overkill for your current display. And then you still have the more expensive G-sync display to buy. A decent 8 GB 480 will get you 70-80% the performance a 1070 gives you.

and once you buy your 3440x1440p display, the 1070 will not be able to keep up with your display very well. Where as you could wait, and be fine, and then get Vega or the 1080ti which will actually run the 3440x1440p display, or the 2560x1080p 144hz display
 

Here's more current 480 benchmarks, it's pretty much surpassed the 1060 overall, especially in DX12/Vulkan, and it's more than fine for your current display
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You also didn't mention when you were going to be able to upgrade your display
 

 

 

look i want something high end and nice and the 480 is not.