Laptop for VR

[Armakar]

Got about £1600 to spend - don't need windows. Where's a good place I can get good performance for my money? Need something with a i7 ( or very goo desktop grade i5 ) and a 1070.

 

Thanks!

[Guest Kloaked]

What do you mean you don't need Windows? If you're buying a laptop it'll most likely come with Windows installed, especially if you're getting something for gaming in VR.

 

People are going to hate me for saying this, but if I had to get a gaming laptop with the specs that you specifically want I would get an Alienware laptop - before someone jumps on me about the price, how it looks, etc etc, I know. You don't have to tell me.

[Armakar]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

What do you mean you don't need Windows? If you're buying a laptop it'll most likely come with Windows installed, especially if you're getting something for gaming in VR.

 

People are going to hate me for saying this, but if I had to get a gaming laptop with the specs that you specifically want I would get an Alienware laptop - before someone jumps on me about the price, how it looks, etc etc, I know. You don't have to tell me.

Don't need windows as in if someone knows a custom build website I can remove windows from the list and save £90.

 

Also, I'm looking for price for performance - why would I get alienware??

[werto165]

Get something with a 1060 or above and you'll be fine mate got one with a 1060 and he can run vive games just fine. He got his from scan I think . Also I wouldn't get a rift if you're using a laptop had so many issues with USB 3.0 bandwidth and power with mine, what VR headset you getting? 

[DarkBlade2117]

3 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Don't need windows as in if someone knows a custom build website I can remove windows from the list and save £90.

 

Also, I'm looking for price for performance - why would I get alienware??

Check out Sager or Clevo.

Also.. erm Alienware has gotten much better over the past recent year or so

[Armakar]

3 minutes ago, werto165 said:

Get something with a 1060 or above and you'll be fine mate got one with a 1060 and he can run vive games just fine. He got his from scan I think . Also I wouldn't get a rift if you're using a laptop had so many issues with USB 3.0 bandwidth and power with mine, what VR headset you getting? 

Not true. I have a laptop that i'm using now , bought Sunday. Can't run Raw Data in VR - even on the lowest settings with multiplier turned below normal it lags. It's an MSI GE62VR - i7 6700HQ and 1060, still lags in VR. Also lags in H1Z1 KOTK.

[werto165]

2 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Not true. I have a laptop that i'm using now , bought Sunday. Can't run Raw Data in VR - even on the lowest settings with multiplier turned below normal it lags. It's an MSI GE62VR - i7 6700HQ and 1060, still lags in VR. Also lags in H1Z1 KOTK.

haven't tried raw data but isn't it just unoptimised poop? Might be something to do with reprojection or whatever the vive uses. afaik it doesn't use ASW> 

[Armakar]

2 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Check out Sager or Clevo.

Also.. erm Alienware has gotten much better over the past recent year or so

Sager appear to be US only, right? I'm in the UK .

[Armakar]

2 minutes ago, werto165 said:

haven't tried raw data but isn't it just unoptimised poop? Might be something to do with reprojection or whatever the vive uses. afaik it doesn't use ASW> 

Maybe, but doens't explain why I can't run H1Z1 maxed without getting 25FPS.

[werto165]

2 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Maybe, but doens't explain why I can't run H1Z1 maxed without getting 25FPS.

Surely something wrong it's not the 1060 or the CPU can't run that bad surely. I've been having issues with geforce expereince recently try and disable the share functionality if you have that enabled. 

[Guest Kloaked]

14 minutes ago, werto165 said:

haven't tried raw data but isn't it just unoptimised poop? Might be something to do with reprojection or whatever the vive uses. afaik it doesn't use ASW> 

 

12 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Maybe, but doens't explain why I can't run H1Z1 maxed without getting 25FPS.

Maybe that laptop with a 1060 and a mobile 6700 cannot do VR that well on somewhat graphically intensive games?

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

19 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Don't need windows as in if someone knows a custom build website I can remove windows from the list and save £90.

 

Also, I'm looking for price for performance - why would I get alienware??

Because despite the circlejerk, Alienware has decent price-to-performance with their laptops.

 

You're only going to get a laptop without Windows installed if you do a custom build, and then you're still going to pay more for what you're getting.

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

Alienware has decent price-to-performance with their laptops

No it doesn't. Spec a 6820HK 1070 vs a Clevo. Rip in pieces. 

 

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

You're only going to get a laptop without Windows installed if you do a custom build, and then you're still going to pay more for what you're getting.

No you're not going to pay more in a custom build. You only pay more in custom builds at rip off places like Origin and Cyberpower etc.  

 

1 hour ago, Armakar said:

Maybe, but doens't explain why I can't run H1Z1 maxed without getting 25FPS.

Yea that's probably an issue with the laptop more than the GPU. Just return it. 

 

1 hour ago, Armakar said:

Sager appear to be US only, right? I'm in the UK .

Sager is not the brand. Clevo is. Sager buys from Clevo and calls them a Sager. Basically every single "custom" laptop you see outside of Tier 1 manufacturers (Dell, HP, MSI, Gigabyte etc) buy from Clevo and rebrand them. Also https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceIII-15/

 

My condolences for European prices being expensive as fuck compared to US prices. 

[Guest Kloaked]

5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

No it doesn't. Spec a 6820HK 1070 vs a Clevo. Rip in pieces. .  

Uhh, pretty sure there's not that big of a difference, and I don't even see a Clevo or Sager laptop that has that option as they're all on Kabylake now.

 

5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

No you're not going to pay more in a custom build. You only pay more in custom builds at rip off places like Origin and Cyberpower etc. 

Yes, you're going to pay more in a custom build. Alienware is cheaper than even Clevo/Sager. At least here in the US.

[Pendragon]

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Uhh, pretty sure there's not that big of a difference, and I don't even see a Clevo or Sager laptop that has that option as they're all on Kabylake now.

 

4 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Yes, you're going to pay more in a custom build. Alienware is cheaper than even Clevo/Sager. At least here in the US.

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-15-laptop

https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8157-clevo-p650hs-g/

 

Shit. I can read. 

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Pendragon said:

 

http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-15-laptop

https://lpc-digital.com/product/sager-np8157-clevo-p650hs-g/

I was seeing some different laptop which would be more expensive than the AW15 with the same specs.

 

Even so, the one you linked me in comparison to the AW15 would still be in Alienware's favor as it comes with Windows and an m.2 SSD. Even though it only has 8 gigs of memory and a "better" wireless nic, I would call this somewhat of a tie between the two.

 

I would still, like I said, put it in Alienware's favor regardless. Dell makes good machines.

[Pendragon]

1 minute ago, Kloaked said:

Even so, the one you linked me in comparison to the AW15 would still be in Alienware's favor as it comes with Windows and an m.2 SSD. Even though it only has 8 gigs of memory and a "better" wireless nic, I would call this somewhat of a tie between the two.

*facepalm spec it up the same and add everything. Oh wait. Lemme do it for you. https://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=1197. 2300 AW, 1800 Clevo. That's a 500 dollar difference with the same specs (7820HK + 1070 + Win + 256gbssd + 1tbhdd) on an already discounted AW and undiscounted Clevo. If you took the retail prices of both it would be a 2550 AW vs 1800 Clevo. 

 

Also, I'm not saying AW makes bad machines, I'm just saying they are not price competitive at retail.  And OP also specifically asked not to have Windows. So even better. So let me make my point clear, custom machines from proper places are not more expensive than AW. Current generation AW's have a litany of issues has well. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/warning-some-i7-6820hks-and-i7-6700hq-have-uneven-core-temps-due-to-uneven-heatsink.797477/

[Guest Kloaked]

6 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

*facepalm spec it up the same and add everything. Oh wait. Lemme do it for you. https://www.sagernotebook.com/customize.php?productid=1197. 2300 AW, 1800 Clevo. That's a 500 dollar difference with the same specs (7820HK + 1070 + Win + 256gbssd + 1tbhdd) on an already discounted AW and undiscounted Clevo. If you took the retail prices of both it would be a 2550 AW vs 1800 Clevo. 

 

Also, I'm not saying AW makes bad machines, I'm just saying they are not price competitive at retail.  And OP also specifically asked not to have Windows. So even better. So let me make my point clear, custom machines from proper places are not more expensive than AW. Current generation AW's have a litany of issues has well. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/warning-some-i7-6820hks-and-i7-6700hq-have-uneven-core-temps-due-to-uneven-heatsink.797477/

So you're right with the 7820HK model being more expensive. I was comparing the stock Clevo with a similar specced Alienware laptop, so I guess they're charging more for the upgrades than Clevo is. So I was wrong.

 

"Custom" laptops tend to cost more than something you can get from Alienware or even Lenovo, and I was unaware that Clevo/Sager/XoticPC even had the option of not including Windows.

[Armakar]

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

So you're right with the 7820HK model being more expensive. I was comparing the stock Clevo with a similar specced Alienware laptop, so I guess they're charging more for the upgrades than Clevo is. So I was wrong.

 

"Custom" laptops tend to cost more than something you can get from Alienware or even Lenovo, and I was unaware that Clevo/Sager/XoticPC even had the option of not including Windows.

From what i'm seeing on PC specialist - a 'custom' laptop with kaby lake 7700 and 1070 is £1600 - a MSI, Gigabyte, Asus or Alienware equivealtn is 1800

[Irask]

You're not going to get a Kaby Lake and a 1070 for £1600.

 

Your best bet is this:

 

Asus-ROG-GL502VS

[Pendragon]

7 minutes ago, Irask said:

 

You're not going to get a Kaby Lake and a 1070 for £1600.

 

Your best bet is this:

 

Asus-ROG-GL502VS

 

Okay, please fact check everything you say please. You can get Kaby Lake + 1070 literally in the link I showed. Source your own OS, get your own RAM and drives 3rd party such as amazon (cause it's cheaper than buying from the configurator) and it comes to about 1600. Also the GL502VS is absolute fucking dogshit of a laptop. Hot as shit, low battery life, poor build quality, asus level customer service, worse-in-class warranty.

[Armakar]

8 minutes ago, Irask said:

You're not going to get a Kaby Lake and a 1070 for £1600.

 

Your best bet is this:

 

Asus-ROG-GL502VS

Actually, this looks fantastic! Do you know much about them? You think this will perform better then my current laptop ( i7 6700HQ and shitty fucking 1060 ) , will it atleaast run VR in decent graphics do you think?

[Armakar]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

Okay, please fact check everything you say please. You can get Kaby Lake + 1070 literally in the link I showed. Source your own OS, get your own RAM and drives 3rd party such as amazon (cause it's cheaper than buying from the configurator) and it comes to about 1600. Also the GL502VS is absolute fucking dogshit of a laptop. Hot as shit, low battery life, poor build quality, asus level customer service, worse-in-class warranty.

Interesting. The laptop he linked looks good. I'm sourcing my own OS just by using Windows install media - I don't have a product key (lmao) so it'l be trial.

 

What's wrong w/ the asus laptop? Looked good, but is it shit?

 

Also, how much better will the kaby lake chip perform then the skylake?

 

 

Which link did you post? Afaik it was the sager one, i'm in the UK man I can't order from them

 

Thanks for your answers so far!

[D2ultima]

6 hours ago, werto165 said:

Get something with a 1060 or above and you'll be fine mate got one with a 1060 and he can run vive games just fine. He got his from scan I think . Also I wouldn't get a rift if you're using a laptop had so many issues with USB 3.0 bandwidth and power with mine, what VR headset you getting? 

Mobile 1060 does not pass VR spec. It throttles too hard. nVidia designed them this way.

 

6 hours ago, Armakar said:

Got about £1600 to spend - don't need windows. Where's a good place I can get good performance for my money? Need something with a i7 ( or very goo desktop grade i5 ) and a 1070.

 

Thanks!

mySN.co.uk or scan UK (3XS brand) should have good Clevos. However if you can afford it, I'd buy from HIDevolution over in the US and get it sent there due to the Prema mod. This way, a 1060 can handle VR. Otherwise, you'll need to buy a 1070-using laptop.

 

 

[Pendragon]

3 minutes ago, Armakar said:

Which link did you post? Afaik it was the sager one, i'm in the UK man I can't order from them

https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/defianceIII-15/ it's a UK Clevo retailer...

 

3 minutes ago, Armakar said:

What's wrong w/ the asus laptop? Looked good, but is it shit?

 

Also, how much better will the kaby lake chip perform then the skylake?

It's hot as shit. The cooling system is not adequate for the 1070. Users report upwards over 90C in high load scenarios. It has absolute shit battery life at around 3 hours. It's build is pretty bad given it's Asus' budget offering. It's warranty is fucking terrible. You so much as move a drive slot and I've seen people denied warranty. And finally Asus customer support is just bad. Asus should just be ignored as a laptop brand cept for a few budget offerings and the Zenbook Pro. 

[Armakar]

5 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

Mobile 1060 does not pass VR spec. It throttles too hard. nVidia designed them this way.

 

mySN.co.uk or scan UK (3XS brand) should have good Clevos. However if you can afford it, I'd buy from HIDevolution over in the US and get it sent there due to the Prema mod. This way, a 1060 can handle VR. Otherwise, you'll need to buy a 1070-using laptop.

 

 

Scan's 3XS is pretty pricey. How much better is the 1070 laptop to the 1060? The desktop performance difference isn't that huge is it?