Budget am3+ motherboard fx 83..

[Sintezza]

2 hours ago, Strike105X said:

It depends a lot on the quality of VRM's and mosfets as well though, i have an Asus m599FX Pro R2.0, which has a Digi+ 6+2 power phase design and it can take a decent bump in voltages with no issue.

 

Btw awesome avatar ^^, she was my favorite character in 00.

The quality of the components used in a vrm cirquit on a motherboard matter allot yes.

Raw phase count doesnt really tell the whole story ofc.

There is way more into it.

i could go more deeply into vrm circuitry talk.

But i´m not sure if it would really add anything usefull for topic starter.

 

[Sintezza]

17 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

You'd deserve an agree, funny and thumbs up rep for that post alone , that said i will have to settle for an agree i guess :p.

 

Indeed, worst offender here would be gigabyte, and their 970FX and 990x gaming boards, which are traps using a double analogue 4+1 phase count.... Which in some cases struggle with a default FX83XX chip... 

Well yeah there is really allot of missinformation floating arround the wenn it comes the vrm subject on motherboards and graphics cards alike..

Not only on forums, but also reviewers sometimes talk about it, without even knowing what they are saying.

Or just reading whats on the box or what not.

 

Take Tech yes city for example, he did a couple of reviews on Asrock X99 motherboards, on which he specificly rambles about the vrm implementation on those boards.

He tries to look smart, but in reality he is totally wrong.

No offense to Bryan because the rest of the review on those boards is nicely done.

But i see such kind of things often happen by other bigger reviewers aswell.

 

I have done vrm cirquitry analytics on motherboards pretty much since the X58 era.

I dont know everything of course, but atleast i understand how things work.

[Sintezza]

13 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

I wont lie its easy to screw up with VRM's i had my fair share of fails as well...

 

Yeah its a pretty complex story basicly.

There are a couple of very good sources on the internet that give some nice information about the basics of vrm cirquitries and how it works, like sinn hardware.

But the general gamer would not really be bothered with it as long as it just works.

Its more a thing for the nerds and geeks.

I will never recommend a motherboard that i dont know.

 

[Earnhardt]

3 hours ago, gasolin said:

 

 

[gasolin]

19 hours ago, Sintezza said:

Asus 970A pro gaming / AURA.

pretty much the best 970 chipset board on the market today.

7+1 phase design from CHL.

 

8+2 phase boards basicly dont exists.

Unless they have used a dual IR or CHL pwm implementation.

But i cannot really remember that i have ever seen that on a AM3+ board.

But i´m not fully sure about the Crosshair V though.

i do have the analytic data somewhere.

 

We talk about 4+1 true phases doubled to 8+2 pwm phases in most cases.

There are no pwm´s used on modern motherboards today that offer more then 8 true phases.

And since in the case of AMD AM3+ you need atleast one imput rail for the Northbridge.

Thats where those +1 or + 2 phases are being used for.

 

Strange, not shure if it's true 8+2 phase but the specs say Asrock 990FX Extreme 6 is 8+2 phase Asrock Fatalty 970 Performance/3.1 is also 8+2 phase

[gasolin]

Amd say max 70.5 degress for fx Fx 8300 is that true?

[gasolin]

Oh....... what oc is possible with a noctua nh-d15, 3x140mm noctua pwm fans and a define r5 case and when does it throttle, 61 or 70.5 degress?

 

max rpm i would use on my cpu cooler is under 1000 rpm and and max 700-750 rpm, from the case fans to keep max noise not to high

 

 

[Sintezza]

5 hours ago, gasolin said:

Strange, not shure if it's true 8+2 phase but the specs say Asrock 990FX Extreme 6 is 8+2 phase Asrock Fatalty 970 Performance/3.1 is also 8+2 phase

Those are 4+1 doubled to 8+2 which is fine.

Asrock is using a ISL hybrid pwm on those boards.

ISL doesnt care any true 8 phase pwm´s.

 

[gasolin]

8 minutes ago, Strike105X said:

Depends on your chip really mainly if you got lucky in the binning lottery, i know someone who uses a similar cooler at 5 Ghz on air.

So what did you get? FX83XX CPU, what to choose ?

[Sintezza]

On 27-11-2016 at 2:17 AM, gasolin said:

So what did you get? FX83XX CPU, what to choose ?

FX8350 or FX8370.

But basicly they are all the same thing.

[gasolin]

On 26/11/2016 at 11:17 AM, Nena360 said:

I have a MSI 970 Gaming + FX-8370 it runs nicely and it is at 4.4Ghz with stock voltage but I advice not to increase voltage on anything that has a 6+2 VRM or less tough...

Not every chip and mb oc the same some chips may oc better than other chips the same with a mb, it's just try to find the limited 

 

Limited is 60 degresse on the cpu so 

 

Me to a fx 8300 ;-) i just think fanexpert 2 sucks unless i got a faulty mb, some times my fan doesn't spin, theres only 1 graph in ai suite 3 that seems to have an effect on all case fans  and my asus 970 pro gaming/aura can't run them slower than 600 rpm

[Nena Trinity]

16 hours ago, gasolin said:

Not every chip and mb oc the same some chips may oc better than other chips the same with a mb, it's just try to find the limited 

 

Limited is 60 degresse on the cpu so 

 

Me to a fx 8300 ;-) i just think fanexpert 2 sucks unless i got a faulty mb, some times my fan doesn't spin, theres only 1 graph in ai suite 3 that seems to have an effect on all case fans  and my asus 970 pro gaming/aura can't run them slower than 600 rpm

That is why I got the FX-8370 instead of a 8300 or 8320 because then I have to gamble less, to me you can go with 970A board and higher end CPU that is not 9000 series or go with the more popular lower end CPU with 990FX!

[gasolin]

1 hour ago, Nena360 said:

That is why I got the FX-8370 instead of a 8300 or 8320 because then I have to gamble less, to me you can go with 970A board and higher end CPU that is not 9000 series or go with the more popular lower end CPU with 990FX!

Also more heat since it runs no less than 4.0 ghz unless you have activated some power savings, my fx 8300 runs atm 4.1 ghz all cores all  the time and the price was alot lower than a fx 8370, the money i would save i could use to buy a better cpu cooler, but i didn't have the money for a 8370, alos with the vcore i need for my cpu i can only run it at 4.2 on all core all the time, no power setting, with my noctua nh-d15 cpu cooler (i don't want it to be noisy) so a 8370 would be at my limit, so why not save som money and buy the fx 8300 and run it at minimum 4.0 ghz on all cores and not 3.3 and turbo 4.2ghz

[Sintezza]

Chipset will not really effect overclocking potential directly.

Thats a miss conception made by allot of people.

Its not like Intel.

The main diffrence between 970 and 990FX chipset is mainly the amount of pci-e lanes.

And "officially" 970 chipset by default does not support Sli.

But there are a few exceptions to this rule.

 

Then we also have a strange duck in the bite,

called the 990X chipset.

Which also feutures 20 pci-e 2.0 lanes like 970.

However in this case they are diffrently routed.

Namely X16 / X8 /X4, so that they do support Sli at 8x.

But there are not manny boards with this chipset.

One well known board is the Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0.

 

[gasolin]

My asus 970 pro gaming/aura does support sli it supports quad sli

 

That can't be right 4 cards?

[gasolin]

As i remember the 9590 runs it's 4.7ghz and 5.0ghz at 1.5volt (according to a video with JayTwoCent or Tech of Tomorrow) so 4.6ghz at less than 1.4ghz is more than okay, i guess you don't have turbo activated 

 

Quad sli, i have a gtx 1060 and even with a 34" predator i don't need any more power (need and want is not the same thing), i do play need for speed shift 2 unleased and dirt 3 which i think is fun games although they are not new, the same with bioshock infinite

 

You could run 2 or 3 gtx 7850/7870 or gtx 670/680 (or r9 370,gtx 960 if you want something slightly newer that won't bottleneck an oc'ed gtx 8300) but why cf/sli when you can play Batman arkham city on 6 monitors with a single  (that is what i think it is) hd 7870, try that with a gtx 480 or gtx 1060 and battlefield 1 (5760x2160 or mabye just a 55-65" 4k monitor)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKLngheU_Og

[Sintezza]

On 2-12-2016 at 11:58 PM, gasolin said:

My asus 970 pro gaming/aura does support sli it supports quad sli

 

That can't be right 4 cards?

 

Nope you definitely cannot do it with 4 cards.

The Asus 970A pro gaming / Aura does indeed support sli.

But its definitelly not 4 way, (with 4 cards).

However like AMD also Nvidia has had dual gpu on one 1 pcb cards in the past, for example a GTX690 or a GTX-Titan Z.

Those cards have their own plx chips on the pcb.

But i saw that you have a GTX1060 card right now right?

Well the GTX1060 has no support for sli.

 

[gasolin]

well i don't need more gpu power, games are still fun to play even when it's not on ultra

 

Play dirt 3 and bf1 and get the fps i need for a fluid gameplay