Ivy VS Haswell

[MeesterJackson]

So if there is a major difference between Ivy and Haswell or should I save like roughly 30 dollars or so by getting last years CPU's and motherboards? 

 

I will be gaming, video editing, recording, rendering, and livestreaming,

 

I heard the Haswell's don't OC well, and that the only major gain is in video rendering and editing, with the Haswells and even then they aren't THAT much better than they previous gen Ivy's. 

 

If I go with Ivy I'm going to get the E3 1240 V2 Xeon (which actually beats the i7 4770, and for some reason on CPU Boss it shows its actually better price to performance to get this than the newer 1240 V3) 

 

If I go with Haswell then I might need to crunch down a little money because I need to buy a case so I might get the E3 1230 V3 (which does not outperform the i7 4770, its like slightly on par) 

 

UPDATE: I was thinking about getting either of these two lower budget boards are they good?

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131832

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130647

[GrievingJosh]

So if there is a major difference between Ivy and Haswell or should I save like roughly 30 dollars or so by getting last years CPU's and motherboards? 

 

I will be gaming, video editing, recording, rendering, and livestreaming,

 

I heard the Haswell's don't OC well, and that the only major gain is in video rendering and editing, with the Haswells and even then they aren't THAT much better than they previous gen Ivy's. 

 

If I go with Ivy I'm going to get the E3 1240 V2 Xeon (which actually beats the i7 4770, and for some reason on CPU Boss it shows its actually better price to performance to get this than the newer 1240 V3) 

 

If I go with Haswell then I might need to crunch down a little money because I need to buy a case so I might get the E3 1230 V3 (which does not outperform the i7 4770, its like slightly on par) 

You'll get a small performance boost going with Haswell, it's more about the energy savings though. I think it's about a 10% increase in IPC? So nothing spectacular, however it is newer

[MeesterJackson]

Ivy will OC slightly higher but Haswell has better IPC. So unless your using a custom loop or delidding in order to push high OC's on haswell they end up pretty even really.

 

Have you considered a 8320/50 if your video editing alot? You'll save a decent amount of money and the FX chips are good for video editing purposes

I did, but one they are a lot more power consuming and are a lot more money on the Electric Bill yearly, and the Xeon (because its like either a 3770 or 4770) will beat the 8350 in gaming and video rendering. 

[MeesterJackson]

You'll get a small performance boost going with Haswell, it's more about the energy savings though. I think it's about a 10% increase in IPC? So nothing spectacular, however it is newer

Actually with the Xeons from last year and this year they always have used a 80w TDP, so there's no energy change lol. 

[GrievingJosh]

Actually with the Xeons from last year and this year they always have used a 80w TDP, so there's no energy change lol. 

So just the 10% IPC is what you're getting?

[Analog]

The performance difference between for example a i7 3770K and a i7 4770K is very small. Basically the performance per clock has been improved with about 7-10%, however the overclocking capabilities of LGA 1150 CPUs are lower compared to LGA 1155 processors. Although performance is practically the same level, the power consumption of LGA 1150 has been drastically improved, when at stock speeds, because of that Haswell based notebooks and laptops have better battery life.

[MeesterJackson]

So just the 10% IPC is what you're getting?

Actually no, the Ivy Xeons are 69 watts TDP! So even more less! Now I know why price to performance was better on the V2's than the V3's. 

[MeesterJackson]

The real world difference in your power bill will be very minimal unless electricity is stupid expensive where you live or you run the machine at full load 24/7.

 

Gaming performance will favor the i7's/xeons, but concidering the price difference and how well the FX chips OC the difference isn't to spectacular

I live in NY taxes are high as heck so I don't know if that counts into electricity, also I have a tendency to leave my PC on a lot lol. 

[MeesterJackson]

The performance difference between for example a i7 3770K and a i7 4770K is very small. Basically the performance per clock has been improved with about 7-10%, however the overclocking capabilities of LGA 1150 CPUs are lower compared to LGA 1155 processors. Although performance is practically the same level, the power consumption of LGA 1150 has been drastically improved, when at stock speeds, because of that Haswell based notebooks and laptops have better battery life.

Power consumption on the Ivy Xeons are extremely low at 69Watts. Lower than the 80Watts Haswells and newer v3 Xeons. 

[Glenwing]

For the extra you spend on Haswell, you have to consider the motherboards are better too so you get some upgrade there over the older platform, not just in the CPU.

[Glenwing]

Power consumption on the Ivy Xeons are extremely low at 69Watts. Lower than the 80Watts Haswells and newer v3 Xeons. 

 

Power consumption from the CPU has decreased a lot on Haswell compared to Ivy, the TDP is only higher because some of the motherboard components were moved onto the CPU as well.  So those consume extra power, however the motherboard therefore consumes less power to offset that.  And the VRM components that were moved onto the CPU are much more efficient there than on the motherboard, so the power consumption of the platform as a whole is decreased plenty.

[MeesterJackson]

Power consumption from the CPU has decreased a lot on Haswell compared to Ivy, the TDP is only higher because some of the motherboard components were moved onto the CPU as well.  So those consume extra power, however the motherboard therefore consumes less power to offset that.  And the VRM components that were moved onto the CPU are much more efficient there than on the motherboard, so the power consumption of the platform as a whole is decreased plenty.

Ah ok that makes sense. 

[Glenwing]

To sum it up:

 

10% IPC

More power efficiency

Better motherboard

[WoodenMarker]

To sum it up:

 

10% IPC

More power efficiency

Better motherboard

I'd say it's worth it to go Haswell for the mobo options alone.

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[Glenwing]

I'd say it's worth it to go Haswell for the mobo options alone.

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Yeah, that's my thought as well. Personally I didn't really have a favorite among Z77 boards.

[GrievingJosh]

Actually no, the Ivy Xeons are 69 watts TDP! So even more less! Now I know why price to performance was better on the V2's than the V3's. 

Either way, I'd still say go Haswell, just for current and maybe future technologies.  

[Maverik5124]

I would say get haswell because you are buying xenons, so you can't overclock, which would be the only benefit of ivy bridge. You will get slightly higher performance and lower power consumption with haswell

[MeesterJackson]

I'd say it's worth it to go Haswell for the mobo options alone.

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Weren't you in my other post? Lol as much as I'd like the Xeon, everyone seems to say the 8320/50 will fit my needs more than the Xeon which is practically an i7 4770. 

[WoodenMarker]

Weren't you in my other post? Lol as much as I'd like the Xeon, everyone seems to say the 8320/50 will fit my needs more than the Xeon which is practically an i7 4770. 

Ahh, I was referring just to Haswell > Ivy. I wasn't considering AMD for that response. 

I'd recommend the 8320/8350 in your case.