Help me please

[socks&sandals]

Is the g650m a good psu?
should i get an i5 6600k and a gtx 1070 or an i7 with a worse gfx card?
recommendations for a cheap matte black case with quite a bit of space for cable manangment and a great bang for buck aio please

[Jay917536]

Personally I have never used a Cooler Master power supply but from what I have heard from friends they are okay. I like EVGA supplies due to the warrenty and support they offer but I am going to assume most other companies can offer that as well. I would get a i5 6500 if you want to save some money and not overclock being the difference is minimal based on what i have seen in real world performance. If you really want to overclock get the i5 6600k. Also the 1060 is good for 1080p gaming of thats all your doing. no need to spend more in my opinion of the 1070 unless your going higher than 1080p with max settings and some 1440p. Also if you go with the i5 6500 then you can out that extra 50 dollars to the 1070 if you really want it.

[socks&sandals]

I want to get a 1070 for its sli options as i only plan on adding to my rig and not changing everything

[Dackzy]

1070 SLI is 100% going to be bottlenecked by a i5, a single 1070 will be bottlenecked by a i5, a bit in some few games.

[CptLameJokes]

The PSU is a acceptable one. From its specs and reviews t's not the best nor the worst compared to other PSU in the same class.

As for the GPU and CPU, depend what you are doing with them. CPU intensive game/ works or pure gaming.

[brob]

A SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze psu is a much better choice and should be around the same price. I suspect though that something like a Corsair CX-450M or Seasonic S12II 430B would be quite sufficient for the described build.

[socks&sandals]

20 hours ago, Dackzy said:

1070 SLI is 100% going to be bottlenecked by a i5, a single 1070 will be bottlenecked by a i5, a bit in some few games.

So ur tryin to say that i should get a i7 with an rx 480 or something?

[Dackzy]

5 minutes ago, socks&sandals said:

So ur tryin to say that i should get a i7 with an rx 480 or something?

well if it is sure that you are going to get two at some point then that would not be a bad idea, if we talk single card, then no.

You get about 10% more FPS with a i7 over a i5 in GTA V, with a 980ti aka what would be a 1070, and then there are some that are 5% difference and such.

 

In this video they show you how hard a i5 is working with a lot of games, mind you that Vsync is on so this is max 60FPS, so if the GPU could go faster than the CPU load would be higher, if it can be higher (witcher 3 99% )

 

Anything above a 1060 kinda needs a i7 if you are playing just some of the games that are somewhat CPU intensive. Also the GPU generally puts less load on the CPU if you bump the res.

 

If you can then save up for i7 + 1070

[socks&sandals]

4 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

well if it is sure that you are going to get two at some point then that would not be a bad idea, if we talk single card, then no.

You get about 10% more FPS with a i7 over a i5 in GTA V, with a 980ti aka what would be a 1070, and then there are some that are 5% difference and such.

 

In this video they show you how hard a i5 is working with a lot of games, mind you that Vsync is on so this is max 60FPS, so if the GPU could go faster than the CPU load would be higher, if it can be higher (witcher 3 99% )

 

Anything above a 1060 kinda needs a i7 if you are playing just some of the games that are somewhat CPU intensive. Also the GPU generally puts less load on the CPU if you bump the res.

 

If you can then save up for i7 + 1070

Thats great help (thanks)

Do you think I should wait for kaby lake or whatever comes after that or get the 6700k now?

also could the 6700k manage sli 1070's without bottlenecking?

[Dackzy]

Just now, socks&sandals said:

Thats great help (thanks)

Do you think I should wait for kaby lake or whatever comes after that or get the 6700k now?

also could the 6700k manage sli 1070's without bottlenecking?

it would be able to bottleneck in some games, I mean it is always better to wait, but when do you plan to upgrade CPU? GPU?

[socks&sandals]

if i got an i7 and 1070 probably around 3yrs

[socks&sandals]

22 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

it would be able to bottleneck in some games, I mean it is always better to wait, but when do you plan to upgrade CPU? GPU?

if i got an i7 and 1070 probably around 3yrs

[brob]

1 hour ago, Dackzy said:

well if it is sure that you are going to get two at some point then that would not be a bad idea, if we talk single card, then no.

You get about 10% more FPS with a i7 over a i5 in GTA V, with a 980ti aka what would be a 1070, and then there are some that are 5% difference and such.

 

Anything above a 1060 kinda needs a i7 if you are playing just some of the games that are somewhat CPU intensive. Also the GPU generally puts less load on the CPU if you bump the res.

 

If you can then save up for i7 + 1070

 

What the chart shows is that, with the exception of GTA 5, there is no real difference between same clock i5 and i7. The fps values between the 4.6GHz i7 and 4.5GHz i5 are almost identical in most cases and certainly within the margin of error in all cases. Actually, there is little difference in fps period. The fact that an i5 may be running at 90% while the i7 runs at 60% is simply a reflection of the added power available to an i7. Buying that much excess capacity only makes sense if there are not other areas that would benefit from additional $. Putting the difference between an i5 and i7 into a better cpu cooler or larger ssd may well make for a better performing system.

[Dackzy]

18 minutes ago, brob said:

 

What the chart shows is that, with the exception of GTA 5, there is no real difference between same clock i5 and i7. The fps values between the 4.6GHz i7 and 4.5GHz i5 are almost identical in most cases and certainly within the margin of error in all cases. Actually, there is little difference in fps period. The fact that an i5 may be running at 90% while the i7 runs at 60% is simply a reflection of the added power available to an i7. Buying that much excess capacity only makes sense if there are not other areas that would benefit from additional $. Putting the difference between an i5 and i7 into a better cpu cooler or larger ssd may well make for a better performing system.

if you saw the video then you would also see that at max 60fps 1080p the i5 was 70%+, that is not good if you plan to keep the system for a long time, also look at far cry 4. 6 fps, that is about 5% difference. Also that is with older titles, not even the latest games. Also who says that OP can get his i5 to 4.5 GHz? at 4.5GHz it just catches up with a stock i7 and further more FPS gets a lot more stable with a i7 in CPU intensive games.

[brob]

Just now, Dackzy said:

if you saw the video then you would also see that at max 60fps 1080p the i5 was 70%+, that is not good if you plan to keep the system for a long time, also look at far cry 4. 6 fps, that is about 5% difference. Also that is with older titles, not even the latest games. Also who says that OP can get his i5 to 4.5 GHz? at 4.5GHz it just catches up with a stock i7 and further more FPS gets a lot more stable with a i7 in CPU intensive games.

70% means that the cpu is idle nearly 1/3 of the time. Why would one want to spend more money to have a cpu sitting idle 50% of the time? Especially since improving other areas of a system can result in performance improvements.

 

4.5GHz is not an unreasonable oc for an i5-6600K. The 5% difference in Far Cry is between a 4GHz base clock and a 4.5GHz base clock. Frankly I don't consider 5% a significant difference in these sorts of tests. It is generally well within the margin of error.

[Dackzy]

9 minutes ago, brob said:

70% means that the cpu is idle nearly 1/3 of the time. Why would one want to spend more money to have a cpu sitting idle 50% of the time? Especially since improving other areas of a system can result in performance improvements.

you are thinking like he has nothing running in the background, chrome and other things can easily take up 20% and 70% is in the low end of that test, games where often up in the 80% and some even 90%+ like witcher 3. A ssd would not give him more fps, a better CPU cooler would also not give him more FPS, faster ram might depending on the game. Also if you are going to build such a machine like i7 and 1070 SLI, then you should have the money for a 256/250gb ssd or 512/500gb ssd. Further more OP was thinking of 1070 SLI, not just a single 1070, this means that the bottleneck will become a lot bigger.

 

9 minutes ago, brob said:

4.5GHz is not an unreasonable oc for an i5-6600K. The 5% difference in Far Cry is between a 4GHz base clock and a 4.5GHz base clock. Frankly I don't consider 5% a significant difference in these sorts of tests. It is generally well within the margin of error.

No, but again you are not promissed that a i5 6600k can OC that far. I have build a i7 6700k system that thing could only OC to 4.35GHz and be stable, so yeah. Also this is funny, when we talk different GPUs then people flip out if there is a 5% difference in some games, but here it is "margin of error"... Margin of error is when something is reallly really close like 1-2%, normally we talk 0.1-3fps difference in average when we talk margin of error.

Also then we have this.