Windows 10 or 7?

[BristolBrick]

I'm on the fence. Do I upgrade from 10 to 7 or not? Win 7 is better for me in literally every way except one... Future compatability. I like being able to play DVDs, I want to have an OS that uses 8 instead of 16 GB on my SSD, the new groove music sucks, windows 10 is ugly (told I would get used to it, but after 3 weeks, nope.) and spies on me. I have higher FPSes in games in win 7. I may write to Microsoft and jump to Linux when windows 7 starts to show it's age.

Also 10 has loaded all this irremovable crap that I unchecked in the install menu. (It asked me if I wanted Edge and I told it no and now this mother-fucker of an OS flaunts the darn thing in my face.)

 

So 10 or 7, I already dual boot to Linux mint, will that be stuffed up if I wipe and reload? (It's on my HDD, windows has my SSD)

[ciggybumma]

Don't upgrad to 10 unless you really have to. 80% of my steam libary stopped working on windows 10, i lost the start menu tile thing i liked so much about 8.1 and the only reason i would even run it is for Forza Horizion 3, but I'm not putting up with 10 just for that. If i were you I'd stick with 7. 

[BristolBrick]

Just now, ciggybumma said:

Don't upgrad to 10 unless you really have to. 80% of my steam libary stopped working on windows 10, i lost the start menu tile thing i liked so much about 8.1 and the only reason i would even run it is for Forza Horizion 3, but I'm not putting up with 10 just for that. If i were you I'd stick with 7. 

I'm already on 10, considering going back.

[Squish4058]

I've been given nothing but more issues on Windows 10.from everything including moving settings around so I have to go looking for stuff to Windows 10 refusing to uninstalling a driver to start bar breaking. Worse I've had is when it used secure boot to lock me out of my own bios then refuse to boot

[ciggybumma]

Do it, I fought with 10 for about a week, then i wiped my boot drive and fresh installed 8.1, I never intend to go to windows 10 again, or even use a computer with windows 10 on it. 

[iLoiter]

Try using "Anti spybot beacon" if your worried about privacy and "10AppsManager" for the default apps you can't remove. There should be articles and videos about them so you decide whether or not to use it. Worked fine for me.

[BristolBrick]

Leaning a bit to 10, but I'm still on the fence.

[Delicieuxz]

Here are a couple of posts I've previously made on comparisons between Windows 7 and 10. After using Windows 10 as my primary OS for many months, I realised that I wouldn't miss anything if I went back to Windows 7, and that everything was more difficult, more frustrating, more ugly, and more time-consuming on Windows 10. Windows 10 made just having an OS a chore and liability all on its own, whereas Windows 7 is just passively there, like an OS should be, and just works, for whatever a person wants to do.

 

 

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There are lots of things people like about Windows 10, and they can tell you about them. I favour Windows 7, so I'll tell you a bit about the differences that impact my usage, and why I prefer Windows 7 for its design and functionality, but see Windows 10 as useful simply because it has DX12 and for as-of-yet unknown future usefulnesses.

Windows 7 has a more useful and efficient start-menu design, that takes up less screen space, and requires less mouse travel distance to get to what you want. Pinning applications to a space-efficient list directly above the start button is a lot more space-smart, and functionally-useful than the live-tiles design in Windows 10.

Windows 7 has an intelligent Windows Update set of choices, whereas in Windows 10, unless you edit Group Policies, you have basically no choice. The choice to defer updates is not useful, since deferring them still causes the same ambiguous and random update process to automatically occur, just a couple of months later. There isn't even a choice for how long to defer them.

Customizing file-associations in Windows 7 is straight-forward, while in Windows 10 it can be a repeating arm-wrestle with the OS, as sometimes Win 10 resets the file associations you've changed, and sometimes the ability to change file-associations "bugs," and it doesn't let it be changed, or doesn't list the application you want and doesn't provide any means to add the application you want to use to the list (such as to use Chrome to open URLs from offline, non-brower text).

Windows 10's UI isn't very aesthetic to many people, and Windows 7's UI feels a lot more comfortable to me. Windows 10's UI can be changed to some extent, using things like Startisback, and Aero Glass.

Windows 10's data-collection is invasive, and it isn't straight-forward to turn it off. Microsoft has made effort to spread the settings for various aspects of data-collection in many different places, to make it challenging for a person to find them all and disable them all. And extra efforts may be required to put a more thorough stop to MS' collection of your data, such as those described in the link in my signature. Don't presume that just because you turned off telemetry and data-collection during the Win 10 installation process that you got it all. You'll find more data-collection settings in individual MS apps that need turning off in them after the OS has completed installation.

Windows 10 has so far tended to often require users to redo their OS customization work with new big updates, which can have the magical ability to reset things back to the way MS wants them to be. For that reason, and because of data-collection, and because of file-association challenges, Windows 10 is not a user-friendly OS. It's a for-Microsoft OS, that a user might have to struggle with quite a bit to get the way they want, and to keep it the way they want. It's rather abusive, in this.

Also, there are in-OS ads in Windows 10, which is something Windows 7 doesn't do.

Windows Defender is a nuisance in Windows 10, until you permanently disable it in Group Policy Editor.

Windows 10 has bugs, and fixes some but gains others with new versions. Windows 7 doesn't (that I've encountered since its release).

Microsoft uses Windows 10 to pester users about whatever random thing they want to happen: http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/3/12369326/microsoft-windows-10-chrome-battery-life-notifications

After setting everything up in Windows 10 the way that I'd like it, it functions pretty much like Windows 7, with the only differences being worse on Windows 10 than in Windows 7. Because of this, I would say that, until you know exactly what about Windows 10 you want or need, there isn't reason to get it.

 

 

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I can't stress enough that Windows 10 is a snake-oil OS, and that many people are merely caught up in a sentiment they have of Windows 10 being new and the future, and they just want to ride that fluffy feeling while shutting down their minds completely.

Meanwhile, the reality is that Windows 10 has less useful functionality than Windows 7, is hella less stable than Windows 7, is less user-friendly than Windows 7, offers a PC admin less control than Windows 7, is more invasive than Windows 7, has in-OS ads which Windows 7 doesn't, has an excess of bloatware pre-installed (Windows 7 doesn't), and constantly resets customised file-associations to force people into using MS applications, which Windows 7 doesn't do.

Windows 10 is probably the most buggy OS Microsoft has released since Windows ME, and each new major Win 10 update brings as many new bugs as it fixes, and I think that Windows 10 simply is not a professional OS. It's like an indie-dev's prototype that never solidifies into anything great, but just morphs from one bloated and troubled presentation to another.

Also, Win 10 is littered with "bugs" that are intentional, to keep people using MS services - things like issues with changing default apps away from MS ones. If a program starts doing that on a person's PC, it's called malware. And it's not different when Microsoft does it, through Windows. Yes, Windows 10 is malware, to be cleaned from a system. 

 

Microsoft has fired around 20,000 employees in the last 3 years (many of whom were testing engineers), has changed management, has completely shifted business strategies away from software-first to monetization-first, and as a result, is no longer capable of quality product design, or of producing competent software releases. As ridiculous as things seemed to be under Ballmer, Microsoft is a not the same company today, for the worse, and Windows is not the same product anymore, also for the worse. The new Microsoft didn't design and develop the Windows IP, and has simply inherited the Windows IP, and is now just looking for how they can exploit and prostitute every cranny of it.

It's just like when a pharmaceutical company buys the rights for a drug that they didn't research or develop, and then jacks the price up by 5000%. Or, it's like when a big publisher buys a developer of a popular game, and turns their game into a dumbed-down, overly-generic version of its previous form.

Windows today is not the Windows we are familiar with, and Microsoft today is not the Microsoft we are familiar with. Both of those things, in their modern forms, are shit.

 

Windows 10 is a hyper-invasive, user-fighting, buggy, early-beta demo-version of Windows, that is ad-supported, and is a constant chore and headache to keep set up, and to get it to do what a user wants it to.

On the other hand, Windows 7, up until June / July 2015, is the full version of Windows, which just works, obeys the user, and doesn't collect a user's data for resale to make MS money, and doesn't try to trick the user at every turn, or even at all.

Friends don't let friends use Windows 10.
 

 

Also, here's a clean installation ISO of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 that's already fully-updated to June 2015:
https://mega.nz/#F!45cDnbST!VtW4T101EMF_jnHpzrZYLQ

No key, crack, or activation is provided, so a person still needs their own Windows 7 Ultimate license key to complete the installation process. The Aegis script that uninstalls and blocks telemetry and data-collection updates released between August 2015 and March 2016 is also provided in that download folder.

If a person wants the perfect Windows 7 installation, with no more updates from Microsoft other than security updates, then they can:
1. use that June 2015 Win 7 Ultimate 64 installer ISO
2. then run the Aegis scripts and disable automatic updates through Windows Update
3. then use Windows Update to search for updates and install all missing security updates from June 2015 to September 2016
4. then disable all searching, downloading, and installing of updates through Windows Update, and just get the monthly security updates from WSUS starting October 2016.

[BristolBrick]

K, I'm with 7.