New gaming PC

[remedyy]

Hi, I decided to buy new gaming PC, because my old laptop can't handle games I want to play.

 

1. Budget & Location

I am from Slovakia, so currency is €. Budget is around 1500€.

2. Aim

Other than school stuff this PC is going to be used strictly for gaming. I play mostly WoW (Legion incoming, yay) , LoL, because my laptop can't handle modern games, but with new PC i would like to play new games as well. That's why I want gtx 1070.

3. Monitors

I don't need monitor, I have one 24" 1080p 144Hz Asus monitor, but I was thinking maybe I should upgrade to some entry level 1440p monitor.

this is what i have right now

And I would really appreciate if you could recomend me some entry level 1440p for 300€ max, otherwise I stick with my current monitor.

4. Peripherals

No peripherals needed, also I don't need windows.

5. Why are you upgrading?

Well, since my PC is not up to date and I can't play games I want, there is no other choice. Also I have laptop, because I needed it, but now I want classic desktop pc.

 

Here is pcpartpicker list:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€239.34 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€87.99 @ Aquatuning)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€147.85 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Kingston Savage 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€58.19 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€97.93 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€83.92 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  (€529.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT Source 530 ATX Full Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Caseking)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€183.59 @ Amazon Deutschland)

^^For unknown reason, this PSU has on german amazon too high price. In my country EVGA 550 G2 is available for €92.89, so I adjusted total price.
Total: €1427.01 (1517,71-183,59+92,89)
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-13 21:05 CEST+0200

 

So I have few questions.

1. Will my cpu bottleneck gpu on current monitor?

2. Do I have to upgrade to 1440p or my monitor is fine even I will have gtx 1070?

3. Can you tweak it somehow and replace i5-6600k with i7-6700k and still be on budget 1500€? Other thank GTX 1070 I don't have any other special recomendations. I am willing to give up SSD and buy it later if I have to.

4. Do I need liquid cooler or I can buy NH-D15? If i have i5-6600K, I will overclock it to 4.3-4.5GHz and if i have i7-6700k, I will overclock it to somwhere 4.7-4.8GHz.

 

Thank you very much for reading this post and I am open to any suggestions that might help.

[pithball]

why not get this power supply?

its a lot better and cheaper.

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/Yhbp99/corsair-power-supply-ax760

[remedyy]

well, as I said, in my country is that EVGA PSU literally for half the price. It costs 92€, I dont know why german amazon has much higher price.

[PRTI]

Just now, remedyy said:

well, as I said, in my country is that EVGA PSU literally for half the price. It costs 92€, I dont know why german amazon has much higher price.

While you can't use the german PCpartpicker since the prices are not the same

[GSTARR]

you bought a k series processor and a somewhat expensive Heatsink...

Personally I would have chosen for the 20$ more (in US dollars of course, idk about Euro) H110, which is an AIO water cooler, you could then justify that expensive motherboard and the k series processor

[remedyy]

other prices are the same, max 10€ difference, double checked it

[GSTARR]

PCPartPicker part list: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WfBF8K
Price breakdown by merchant: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/WfBF8K/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€342.33 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€32.20 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€147.85 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€35.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€83.92 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  (€529.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: NZXT Source 530 ATX Full Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Caseking)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€183.59 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1444.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-13 21:41 CEST+0200

 

 

EDIT: You could switch out the case for a less expensive one and ahve a small budget for a medium "end" ssd

[Thony]

Slovakia LOL, same

Downgrading the refresh rate will be so noticable it will ruin your experience. Stick with 144Hz or go to 4K 60Hz (Apparently it feels super smooth).

1070 + i5-6600K will drop FPS lot more than i7 would but u will be just fine.

[Xineas]

30 minutes ago, remedyy said:

So I have few questions.

1. Will my cpu bottleneck gpu on current monitor?

2. Do I have to upgrade to 1440p or my monitor is fine even I will have gtx 1070?

3. Can you tweak it somehow and replace i5-6600k with i7-6700k and still be on budget 1500€? Other thank GTX 1070 I don't have any other special recomendations. I am willing to give up SSD and buy it later if I have to.

4. Do I need liquid cooler or I can buy NH-D15? If i have i5-6600K, I will overclock it to 4.3-4.5GHz and if i have i7-6700k, I will overclock it to somwhere 4.7-4.8GHz.

 

Thank you very much for reading this post and I am open to any suggestions that might help.

1. No, as long as you're gaming at 1080p you will be fine with that i5. If you do want to game at 1440p, then get the i7. Read below.

2. That's a very personal choice. If you like your screen as it is and you're not bothered by the 'lower' resolution, keep it.

3. I'll have a go at a part list and post it later.

4. Both are fine. If you take a Noctua, put it in push-pull configuration and make sure you have good airflow in your case. You'll be able to overclock with good temps. If you want a AIO cooler, those will be fine too. If you plan on overclocking, do get a 240 or 280mm one, as those offer enough cooling capabilities.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Xineas

[Thony]

2 minutes ago, Xineas said:

1. No, as long as you're gaming at 1080p you will be fine with that i5. If you do want to game at 1440p, then get the i7.

 

Lower resolution puts more stress on CPU because GPU can send a lot of FPS but CPU has hard time processing it all. The higher the resolution is the more GPU gets used as it doesnt produce as many frames anymore. U can look at FX 8350 benchmarks for 4K gaming. CPU bottleneck is decreasing a lot and i was shocked when people told me so.

[PRTI]

6 minutes ago, Xineas said:

1. No, as long as you're gaming at 1080p you will be fine with that i5. If you do want to game at 1440p, then get the i7.

The higher the resolution is the lower the stress on the CPU gets and the higher the stress the GPU gets

[Xineas]

2 minutes ago, Thony said:

Lower resolution puts more stress on CPU because GPU can send a lot of FPS but CPU has hard time processing it all. The higher the resolution is the more GPU gets used as it doesnt produce as many frames anymore. U can look at FX 8350 benchmarks for 4K gaming. CPU bottleneck is decreasing a lot and i was shocked when people told me so.

Interesting. Never thought of it that way, but it does make sense. I did read on several occasions that a 1070 is able to be bottlenecked by an i5, but the exact reason was unknown to me.

[Thony]

2 minutes ago, Xineas said:

Interesting. Never thought of it that way, but it does make sense. I did read on several occasions that a 1070 is able to be bottlenecked by an i5, but the exact reason was unknown to me.

It just shows how little progress the Intel made on i5s compared to how much progress was made on GPUs. Past 3 years each cpu gen was hardly 10% faster than previous one...

With Volta release next year the i5 line will really struggle with X70 and higher tier GPUs from Nvidia if intel continues its trend... 

[remedyy]

21 minutes ago, Thony said:

Slovakia LOL, same

then u must know alza

21 minutes ago, GSTARR said:

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  (€32.20 @ Amazon Deutschland)

well, originaly I had this exact cpu cooler, but I was told, that it is not enough, ten I chose Noctua. I am considering Scythe mugen max also. So I guess I'm going to see som benchmarks.

 

17 minutes ago, Xineas said:

2. That's a very personal choice. If you like your screen as it is and you're not bothered by the 'lower' resolution, keep it.

I like that screen, but with 1070 I want play 1440p. But then again, should I buy entry level 1440p monitor or stick with this 1080p and buy later 1440p g-sync monitor.

[Thony]

11 minutes ago, remedyy said:

then u must know alza

 

Yup. The case is pretty expensive imo, u could easily find similar case for 20e less. Not sure what u gonna store on your HDD but WD blue is much cheaper, quiter and can last u long enough before u replace it. Ive had my WD Blue for 2+ years now. Only have some media and games on it, it doesnt get used much as I have 2 SSDs (buy WD blue now and buy one more ssd on black friday  )

[remedyy]

2 minutes ago, Thony said:

Yup. The case is pretty expensive imo, u could easily find similar case for 20e less. Not sure what u gonna store on your HDD but WD blue is much cheaper, quiter and can last u long enough before u replace it. Ive had my WD Blue for 2+ years now. Only have some media and games on it, it doesnt get used much as I have 2 SSDs (buy WD blue now and buy one more ssd on black friday  )

well I really like that case.

On HDD only games, music and school stuff. I read, that wd black are ideal for performance, so I picked for this build wd black. But if I can save bit of money with wd blue and have similiar performance, I'm in.

[Xineas]

You can also put that SSD in a M.2 slot if you want. 

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gMkqpb
 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€342.33 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GT 113.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€134.52 @ Mindfactory) 
Motherboard: Asus Z170-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€141.90 @ Mindfactory) 
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  (€114.29 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€96.92 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€52.77 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  (€468.13 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Case: Corsair Carbide 400Q ATX Mid Tower Case  (€94.14 @ Amazon Deutschland) <- Cases are personal picks, browse around for one you like.
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€92.98) <- Priced as you mentioned.

 

Total: €1537.98

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-13 22:11 CEST+0200

[remedyy]

5 minutes ago, Xineas said:

build

that looks really good, thanks, I will look more deeply into it

one problem is, that g.skill isn't available in my country, but that is fine, i pick similiar kingston or crucial memory

[Thony]

11 minutes ago, remedyy said:

well I really like that case.

On HDD only games, music and school stuff. I read, that wd black are ideal for performance, so I picked for this build wd black. But if I can save bit of money with wd blue and have similiar performance, I'm in.

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/1741-wd-blue-vs-black-comparison-best-drive-for-gaming

Well they both have same RPM and Cache amount, I dont see how there would be enough of a difference to justify 30% cost increase. They come with different warranties though, (2v5 years)

[Matias_Chambers]

PCPartPicker part list: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/jwWmkT
Price breakdown by merchant: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/jwWmkT/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€342.33 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
CPU Cooler: be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  (€76.99 @ Aquatuning) 
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€96.77 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (€66.99 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€97.93 @ Mindfactory) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€52.77 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Video Card: Inno3D GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Twin X2 Video Card  (€686.99 @ Mindfactory) 
Case: NZXT Source 530 ATX Full Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Caseking) 
Power Supply: XFX XTR 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€86.31 @ Amazon Deutschland) 
Total: €1596.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-08-13 22:29 CEST+0200

 

Much better value for your money.

[remedyy]

8 minutes ago, Matias_Chambers said:

build

well, thank you, never thought about gtx 1080, definitely consider this