Hot 980

[GreenOnion]

I recently got an old Zotac 980.

Every game I played its gets to 80 Celcius (I guess its Afterburner temp. target).

Also I run it at stock, so is it fine or I should lower its temp. limit?

[refinedskillz]

Does the heat affect your desk/gaming area?

[GreenOnion]

Just now, refinedskillz said:

Does the heat affect your desk/gaming area?

Tbh no I just worry about the life span. 

[pyrojoe34]

6 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

I recently got an old Zotac 980.

Every game I played its gets to 80 Celcius (I guess its Afterburner temp. target).

Also I run it at stock, so is it fine or I should lower its temp. limit?

Seems pretty normal to me. Mine was hitting 82C at stock before I water cooled it. Did you make a custom fan curve? That can help a lot but will be much louder.

[Imakuni]

10 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

I recently got an old Zotac 980.

Every game I played its gets to 80 Celcius (I guess its Afterburner temp. target).

Also I run it at stock, so is it fine or I should lower its temp. limit?

It's fine to run at that temp. But if you want it cooler and don't care about the noise, you can set up a more aggressive fan profile.

[GreenOnion]

1 minute ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Seems pretty normal to me. Mine was hitting 82C at stock before I water cooled it. Did you make a custom fan curve? That can help a lot but will be much louder.

Yeah I made it but mostly I set it at 60-80%. Which is pretty loud.

But it just stay at 80 degree... Even the usage is at ~40%

[pyrojoe34]

Just now, GreenOnion said:

Yeah I made it but mostly I set it at 60-80%. Which is pretty loud.

But it just stay at 80 degree... Even the usage is at ~40%

That's a little high then. Mine was only >80 at full load. Could just be a sub-par cooler though (I'm not familiar with Zotac). Monitor your voltage and make sure it scales with use. If it's using the same voltage at idle or low load as you use at full load then you should set it to adaptive voltage.

 

GPUs without custom coolers or water cooling almost always run hot (especially in the summer), even a really nice cooler like the GB Windforce 3-fan on my 760 can barely keep it below 77C during extended loads.

[GreenOnion]

7 hours ago, pyrojoe34 said:

That's a little high then. Mine was only >80 at full load. Could just be a sub-par cooler though (I'm not familiar with Zotac). Monitor your voltage and make sure it scales with use. If it's using the same voltage at idle or low load as you use at full load then you should set it to adaptive voltage.

 

GPUs without custom coolers or water cooling almost always run hot (especially in the summer), even a really nice cooler like the GB Windforce 3-fan on my 760 can barely keep it below 77C during extended loads.

Does the function "Force keep voltage...smth" from Afterburner have anything to do with this? 

I think it maintains the voltage input on the card even its under load.

[LooneyJuice]

3 hours ago, GreenOnion said:

Does the function "Force keep voltage...smth" from Afterburner have anything to do with this? 

I think it maintains the voltage input on the card even its under load.

Yeah "Force constant voltage" pumps max voltage through the card at all times, and voltage is one of the main heat sources. You really don't want that on unless you're doing some real knife-edge overclocking and you don't want it to shit itself when it hops to a lower power state.

[GreenOnion]

1 minute ago, LooneyJuice said:

Yeah "Force constant voltage" pumps max voltage through the card at all times, and voltage is one of the main heat sources. You really don't want that on unless you're doing some real knife-edge overclocking and you don't want it to shit itself when it hops to a lower power state.

Yeah I thought so too. I checked that on because I played some OC to the card just for fun but didn't think it would keep the card hot. Thanks tho.

[LooneyJuice]

54 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

Yeah I thought so too. I checked that on because I played some OC to the card just for fun but didn't think it would keep the card hot. Thanks tho.

Anytime! You can still OC just fine, but you'll just have to find an OC that's stable in all states, which may warrant a more conservative OC.. 

[Bhav]

Is it a reference blower cooler or heatpipe fansink with multiple fans?

 

If the latter you could try reseating the heatsink with new paste. If its a reference blower then don't bother as that temp is typical.

[GreenOnion]

30 minutes ago, LooneyJuice said:

Anytime! You can still OC just fine, but you'll just have to find an OC that's stable in all states, which may warrant a more conservative OC.. 

What is your definition of stability? Does it mean not crashing, artifacts or display errors? What about the clock decreases as the temp target is reached? Because mine gets to the temp target then decrease the clock down but neither crashing nor artifacts.

2 minutes ago, Bhav said:

Is it a reference blower cooler or heatpipe fansink with multiple fans?

 

If the latter you could try reseating the heatsink with new paste. If its a reference blower then don't bother as that temp is typical.

Its an Amp Omega edition of zotac which has 2 fans and a thick heatsink. Took away 2.5 PCiE holes smh.

[Bhav]

An AMP omega 980 non Ti??? At 80 degrees??????? At stock speed????????????????

 

THIS IS BAD!

 

I'd be reseating the cooler asap.

[GreenOnion]

1 minute ago, Bhav said:

An AMP omega 980 non Ti??? At 80 degrees??????? At stock speed????????????????

 

THIS IS BAD!

 

I'd be reseating the cooler asap.

Yeah I felt it wrong too. Do you think "Force constant voltage" from Afterburner causes this? Any suggestion to make it cooler?

[LooneyJuice]

12 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

What is your definition of stability? Does it mean not crashing, artifacts or display errors? What about the clock decreases as the temp target is reached? Because mine gets to the temp target then decrease the clock down but neither crashing nor artifacts.

Its an Amp Omega edition of zotac which has 2 fans and a thick heatsink. Took away 2.5 PCiE holes smh.

For me, and imo, as it should be in general, the definition of stability is no artifacts, no driver errors, no crashes under any scenario, any game, for any length of time. I know lots of people like to think that there's different overclocks which "suit" different games, but if it crashes in one game it means it's an unstable overclock, plain and simple. In fact, in cases where it supposedly doesn't crash, you might not crash for hours straight, until, well, you do.

 

So it's the reason you need a plethora of titles and pieces of software to run in order to gauge the stability of your overclock. Not to mention you have to be willing to put almost an entire day aside to figure out your 24/7 overclock.

 

Also, which version of zotac 980 do you have? Reference or aftermarket?

 

EDIT: Wrong GPU correction.

EDIT2: Can't read

[GreenOnion]

1 minute ago, LooneyJuice said:

For me, and imo, as it should be in general, the definition of stability is no artifacts, no driver errors, no crashes under any scenario, any game, for any length of time. I know lots of people like to think that there's different overclocks which "suit" different games, but if it crashes in one game it means it's an unstable overclock, plain and simple. In fact, in cases where it supposedly doesn't crash, you might not crash for hours straight, until, well, you do.

 

So it's the reason you need a plethora of titles and pieces of software to run in order to gauge the stability of your overclock. Not to mention you have to be willing to put almost an entire day aside to figure out your 24/7 overclock.

 

Also, which version of zotac 970 do you have? Reference blower or dual-fan?

Zotac 980 Amp Omega. Its around 2 years old. Previous owner did not OC or bitcoin mining.

OCing took too much time as you said so at the end I run it at stock cuz too much work lol.

I don't think its hardware fault to be that hot imo. Idle temp is around 37-43 which is like every other gpu right?

[LooneyJuice]

3 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

Zotac 980 Amp Omega. Its around 2 years old. Previous owner did not OC or bitcoin mining.

OCing took too much time as you said so at the end I run it at stock cuz too much work lol.

I don't think its hardware fault to be that hot imo. Idle temp is around 37-43 which is like every other gpu right?

Well, don't forget, people forget to mention ambient temps as well. My G1 Gaming 970 is advertised as having an idle temp of ~30C and avg full load temp of ~61C at 25C ambient. Due to climate in my area during summer though, those numbers can be anywhere from 38-71.

 

So first off, what's your ambient? And depending on that, yes, your idle temps aren't horrible. Don't remember if it has a 0 fan speed profile.

[GreenOnion]

2 minutes ago, LooneyJuice said:

Well, don't forget, people forget to mention ambient temps as well. My G1 Gaming 970 is advertised as having an idle temp of ~30C and avg full load temp of ~61C at 25C ambient. Due to climate in my area during summer though, those numbers can be anywhere from 38-71.

 

So first off, what's your ambient? And depending on that, yes, your idle temps aren't horrible. Don't remember if it has a 0 fan speed profile.

We use AC in the house so it always around 26-28 Celsius.

[LooneyJuice]

7 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

We use AC in the house so it always around 26-28 Celsius.

Yeah, so your temps check out if I'm honest, that's what I'm seeing online. Just get rid of "Force Constant Voltage". Do a quick stress test on something (imo, if you have it, The WItcher 3 is probably still one of the most stressful games out there), and if your temps are still between that 37-80C range, you're fine. It's pretty consistent with what I'm seeing online too. I mean, it's a pretty fat card, but it still "just" has 2 fans, so it's a fairly reasonable temp range for a factory overclocked 980. I would recommend a more aggressive fan profile like Imakuni said, if you can stand the extra noise. It will help you stay below your temp target and eliminate any throttling too.

 

TL;DR I wouldn't worry, you're fine.

[Bhav]

41 minutes ago, LooneyJuice said:

Yeah, so your temps check out if I'm honest, that's what I'm seeing online. Just get rid of "Force Constant Voltage". Do a quick stress test on something (imo, if you have it, The WItcher 3 is probably still one of the most stressful games out there), and if your temps are still between that 37-80C range, you're fine. It's pretty consistent with what I'm seeing online too. I mean, it's a pretty fat card, but it still "just" has 2 fans, so it's a fairly reasonable temp range for a factory overclocked 980. I would recommend a more aggressive fan profile like Imakuni said, if you can stand the extra noise. It will help you stay below your temp target and eliminate any throttling too.

 

TL;DR I wouldn't worry, you're fine.

FYI my Wind force OC 970s only go into the 80s with a volt modded bios and 1550 Mhz GPU clock. But I just checked reviews on the OPs card and they showed high 70s so I guess for his ambient temp he is fine.

 

At stock speed including factory OC, other brands of custom cooled 970 / 980 don't go past 70c.

[LooneyJuice]

17 minutes ago, Bhav said:

FYI my Wind force OC 970s only go into the 80s with a volt modded bios and 1550 Mhz GPU clock. But I just checked reviews on the OPs card and they showed high 70s so I guess for his ambient temp he is fine.

 

At stock speed including factory OC, other brands of custom cooled 970 / 980 don't go past 70c.

All comes down to surface area + fans. Doesn't matter if it's an amp omega extreme, to da maxxx super OC++, it's still subject to the laws of thermodynamics

 

Regardless of how fat the fin array is, it simply doesn't have as much horizontal surface area as some of its competitors, especially the windforce stuff. And most reports on thermals are done in typical room temperature ~25C, so any delta above that + slight deviations in ASIC score/voltage leakage can easily make the 980 omega jump into the 80s, I'm sure.

[GreenOnion]

1 minute ago, LooneyJuice said:

All comes down to surface area + fans. Doesn't matter if it's an amp omega extreme, to da maxxx super OC++, it's still subject to the laws of thermodynamics

 

Regardless of how fat the fin array is, it simply doesn't have as much horizontal surface area as some of its competitors, especially the windforce stuff. And most reports on thermals are done in typical room temperature ~25C, so any delta above that + slight deviations in ASIC score/voltage leakage can easily make the 980 omega jump into the 80s, I'm sure.

So in conclusion for my question is that I need not to worry much if it stays at 80 and lower? 

[LooneyJuice]

21 minutes ago, GreenOnion said:

So in conclusion for my question is that I need not to worry much if it stays at 80 and lower? 

Yes of course, was just responding to Bhav, you're all good, no need to worry at all.