Processor frenzy.

[dams3]

Im planning on a build thats purely for gaming and im not sure about the processor i need to get. Im basically split between an i5 6600 and a i5 6600k. Should i go for the first and save a bit of money on the motherboard and not have to worry about my psu or should i go for the second and have the option to speed it up in the future if needed (i wouldnt OC it immediately). Again my machine will be just for gaming so im basically asking if overclocking is needed for 1080p gaming

[Herman Mcpootis]

overclocking isn't needed for gaming, get an i5 6500 and a h110/b150/h170 board and use the money saved on something else.

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, herman mcpootis said:

overclocking isn't needed for gaming, get an i5 6500 and a h110/b150/h170 board and use the money saved on something else.

It all depends on the GPU. Saying things like that without explanation may be misleading to some people.

[ClobberXD]

8 minutes ago, dams3 said:

 my machine will be just for gaming

• i5 6500 / i5-6600
• H110 / B150 / H170 motherboard

CPU OC is not at all necessary, as games depend much more on GPU (even CPU-intensive titles give you just 1-2 FPS boost, if CPU is significantly OCed) So save all that money, and invest in a better GPU, as that is the most significant and/or most expensive component in a Gaming PC.

[dams3]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

It all depends on the GPU. Saying things like that without explanation may be misleading to some people.

It will either be a 480 or a 1070 but as i said, 1080p gaming

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, dams3 said:

It will either be a 480 or a 1070 but as i said, 1080p gaming

You think that if you're at 1080p you don't need a good CPU? Wrong, the lower the resolution, the bigger impact on the CPU.

 

So if you're getting a GTX 1070, even an i5-6600k will bottleneck the 1070 at 1080p. An i7 would be recommended.

 

If you're getting an RX 480, the 6500 should be fine, although would still bottleneck in some more CPU heavy games.

[dams3]

3 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

You think that if you're at 1080p you don't need a good CPU? Wrong, the lower the resolution, the bigger impact on the CPU.

 

So if you're getting a GTX 1070, even an i5-6600k will bottleneck the 1070 at 1080p. An i7 would be recommended.

 

If you're getting an RX 480, the 6500 should be fine, although would still bottleneck in some more CPU heavy games.

You seem to have a pretty different view...

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, dams3 said:

You seem to have a pretty dofferent view...

Watch this video:

 

I'm right, whether you like it or not. i5-6500 is way too weak for a 1070, OC'd 6600k would still bottleneck it at 1080p in some games, but wouldn't be nearly as bad.

 

Here's i5-4690k vs i7-4790k difference in The Witcher 3 at 1080p with a GTX 1080:

 

 

[Morgan MLGman]

8 minutes ago, Anand_Geforce said:

• i5 6500 / i5-6600
• H110 / B150 / H170 motherboard

CPU OC is not at all necessary, as games depend much more on GPU (even CPU-intensive titles give you just 1-2 FPS boost, if CPU is significantly OCed) So save all that money, and invest in a better GPU, as that is the most significant and/or most expensive component in a Gaming PC.

He wants to pair it with a GTX 1070, your help is completely useless because you didn't ask what GPU he wants to buy. Overclocking yields significant improvements if the GPU is powerful.

 

[dams3]

7 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

He wants to pair it with a GTX 1070, your help is completely useless because you didn't ask what GPU he wants to buy. Overclocking yields significant improvements if the GPU is powerful.

 

Dude stop. First of all you are too angry for me to respect your oppinion and one or two videos cannot go up against all the evidence ive seen to prove you otherwise. Finally if this forum is making you angry please leave. Im also not looking to get 110% of the gpus abilities. If it will last for a while then im fine.

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, dams3 said:

Dude stop. First of all you are too angry for me to respect your oppinion and one or two videos cannot go up against all the evidence ive seen to prove you otherwise. Finally if this forum is making you angry please leave.

What? I'm here to give advice, not to be nice to people I don't know. Besides, I'm not angry, I'm honest, that's a difference.

 

Whatever, don't "respect" my opinion, I won't try to help you anymore and you'll remember my words when your CPU hits 100% across all cores and makes your gameplay a stutterfest. Enjoy, I'm done helping ungrateful people.

[dams3]

Just now, Morgan MLGman said:

What? I'm here to give advice, not to be nice to people I don't know. Besides, I'm not angry, I'm honest, that's a difference.

 

Whatever, don't "respect" my opinion, I won't try to help you anymore and you'll remember my words when your CPU hits 100% across all cores and makes your gameplay a stutterfest. Enjoy, I'm done helping ungrateful people.

Across all cores? Im not programming the next COD dude. Im just looking to game

[Morgan MLGman]

11 minutes ago, dams3 said:

Across all cores? Im not programming the next COD dude. Im just looking to game

Dude, I know that. So do I.

 

I've helped many people on this forum, and looking at my post count you might wanna believe me on that. I've been here for over a year.

 

New GPUs of the 1000 series are very, very fast, with the 1070 beating a 980Ti very often. They are meant for 1440p gaming, not 1080p because 1. they're very fast, 2. at 1080p you'd be bottlenecked by majority of CPUs, that includes all i5s. Some would bottleneck more, some would bottleneck less.

 

First of all, if you're at 1080p, getting a 1070 is kind of useless, as a GTX 1060 can just as well max out any game on Ultra. My R9 290X still can do that.

 

If I were you, I'd consider only two options if you plan on sticking to 1080p:

RX480 / GTX 1060 / MAYBE an R9 390X if it's around the price of a GTX 1060

 

RX 480 is a few % slower than a GTX 1060, but cheaper. Also performs better in DX12 and you can get another one later on, while GTX 1060 is limited to only one card.

 

R9 390X is faster than both of them and is even better in DX12 and higher resolutions, there might be a good deal where you live for it, though you need a proper 550W+ PSU to run it.

 

I'd get an R9 390X if the price is right, if it's too expensive, then I'd calculate the price difference between the RX 480 and GTX 1060 and then decide which one gives me more value for my money. As for the CPU, MAYBE the i5-6500 would suffice for those three cards, though I strongly advise you to look at a faster CPU.

Xeon E3-1231v3 + a H81/B85/H97 motherboard might actually be cheaper than an i5-6600k, as you don't need to buy an overclockable, expensive motherboard and there's no need of a CPU cooler as you can't OC it. Also, it's basically an i7-4770 without integrated GPU which you won't be using anyway, so it's got 8 threads and is a great CPU to pair with a higher-end GPU.

 

Eh *looks at the post length* , I always try to help too much.

[MVPernula]

9 minutes ago, dams3 said:

Dude stop. First of all you are too angry for me to respect your oppinion and one or two videos cannot go up against all the evidence ive seen to prove you otherwise. Finally if this forum is making you angry please leave. Im also not looking to get 110% of the gpus abilities. If it will last for a while then im fine.

I'm sure he meant no disrespect, though admittedly @Morgan MLGman seemed a little harsh in his way of explaining but his point remains true none the less. Almost any i5 CPU will bottleneck the 1070 and 1080, sadly.

 

Like he now posted above, everything he said and recommended is both good and correct.

 

But in the end it's up to what you want to buy and get YOUR build. The fact is however that the 1070 is too much for an i5, so if you want to go for the 1070 I recommend going for the 6700K if you want to stay on the LGA1151 formfactor.

[dams3]

8 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Dude, I know that. So do I.

 

I've helped many people on this forum, and looking at my post count you might wanna believe me on that. I've been here for over a year.

 

New GPUs of the 1000 series are very, very fast, with the 1070 beating a 980Ti very often. They are meant for 1440p gaming, not 1080p because 1. they're very fast, 2. at 1080p you'd be bottlenecked by majority of CPUs, that includes all i5s. Some would bottleneck more, some would bottleneck less.

 

First of all, if you're at 1080p, getting a 1070 is kind of useless, as a GTX 1060 can just as well max out any game on Ultra. My R9 290X still can do that.

 

If I were you, I'd consider only two options if you plan on sticking to 1080p:

RX480 / GTX 1060 / MAYBE an R9 390X if it's around the price of a GTX 1060

 

RX 480 is a few % slower than a GTX 1060, but cheaper. Also performs better in DX12 and you can get another one later on, while GTX 1060 is limited to only one card.

 

R9 390X is faster than both of them and is even better in DX12 and higher resolutions, there might be a good deal where you live for it, though you need a proper 550W+ PSU to run it.

 

I'd get an R9 390X if the price is right, if it's too expensive, then I'd calculate the price difference between the RX 480 and GTX 1060 and then decide which one gives me more value for my money. As for the CPU, MAYBE the i5-6500 would suffice for those three cards, though I strongly advise you to look at a faster CPU.

Xeon E3-1231v3 + a H81/B85/H97 motherboard might actually be cheaper than an i5-6600k, as you don't need to buy an overclockable, expensive motherboard and there's no need of a CPU cooler as you can't OC it. Also, it's basically an i7-4770 without integrated GPU which you won't be using anyway, so it's got 8 threads and is a great CPU to pair with a higher-end GPU.

 

Eh *looks at the post length* , I always try to help too much.

Now that you are calm im willing to listen. Ok so, going for an rx 480 leaves me with enough money to comfortably buy an i7 6700 with my build. I think ill do it so ill be able to upgrade my gpu in the future. What do you think about that?

[dams3]

3 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

I'm sure he meant no disrespect, though admittedly @Morgan MLGman seemed a little harsh in his way of explaining but his point remains true none the less. Almost any i5 CPU will bottleneck the 1070 and 1080, sadly.

 

Like he now posted above, everything he said and recommended is both good and correct.

 

But in the end it's up to what you want to buy and get YOUR build. The fact is however that the 1070 is too much for an i5, so if you want to go for the 1070 I recommend going for the 6700K if you want to stay on the LGA1151 formfactor.

Oh ok. Now im thinking of getting an rx480 but that leaves me with enough money to buy a 6700 i think i will do that instead..amd maybe at some poimt buy another 480 or upgrade to a single faster gpu

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, dams3 said:

Now that you are calm im willing to listen. Ok so, going for an rx 480 leaves me with enough money to comfortably buy an i7 6700 with my build. I think ill do it so ill be able to upgrade my gpu in the future. What do you think about that?

Yup, that's a great idea. With buying RX 480, you can simply add another one in the future for a relatively low price and enjoy amazing performance. A 550W-650W power supply would work for two of those cards.

 

4 minutes ago, MVPernula said:

I'm sure he meant no disrespect, though admittedly @Morgan MLGman seemed a little harsh in his way of explaining but his point remains true none the less. Almost any i5 CPU will bottleneck the 1070 and 1080, sadly.

 

Like he now posted above, everything he said and recommended is both good and correct.

 

But in the end it's up to what you want to buy and get YOUR build. The fact is however that the 1070 is too much for an i5, so if you want to go for the 1070 I recommend going for the 6700K if you want to stay on the LGA1151 formfactor.

Well, when you're trying to help so many people every day, you get a bit "cold" when giving advice after some time, though I never give advice if I'm not sure what I'm talking about...

[MVPernula]

Just now, dams3 said:

Oh ok. Now im thinking of getting an rx480 but that leaves me with enough money to buy a 6700 i think i will do that instead..amd maybe at some poimt buy another 480 or upgrade to a single faster gpu

An RX480 would suit you just fine, especially at 60Hz. An i7 6700K is great and heck.. It's really good.

 

If I was in your shoes I'd go for that combo (480 + 6700) and upgrade GPU when needed. Maybe in combination with a 144Hz or 1440p monitor?  

 

It's a terribly good start though, you'll be more than happy.

[DunePilot]

6700k and 480 or 1070, you can always pick up a second card or all out swap out to an entirely new card 2-4 years from now and your cpu will still be able to handle whatever new card you picked up.

 

The easiest way to explain why lower resolution is harder on the cpu is that it's less workload on the gpu so higher framerates which the cpu has to handle, higher resolution is much harder on the gpu capping it out first and with lower frame rates putting less of a load on the cpu.... I hope I wrote that in layman terms where its cut and dry.

[ClobberXD]

16 hours ago, dams3 said:

Dude stop. First of all you are too angry for me to respect your oppinion and one or two videos cannot go up against all the evidence ive seen to prove you otherwise. Finally if this forum is making you angry please leave. Im also not looking to get 110% of the gpus abilities. If it will last for a while then im fine.

It's alright, relax... Even if @Morgan MLGman was angry (which I believe he was not), he has a very valid point! That is what a forum is for - everyone has answers (parts of it at least) that when combined together, gives you the perfect answer, that no other single website can! Everyone knows something that others don't - you will often find contradicting opinions, but one of them will definitely suit you better than the rest.

 

It was my bad, as I didn't realize an i5 could bottle-neck the GTX 1070 (GPUs are getting fast as heck these days while CPUs are still around the 4-4.5 GHz range...)

 

@Morgan MLGman, thanks for letting me know.