Will this bottleneck my gpu?

[othcat]

My FX 6300 is really capping my 980 Ti's performance as I'm only getting around 60 fps on GTA V at 1080p on very high settings, similar to what my old r9 270 was getting.

 

I researched quite a bit and many people have different ideas about CPUs, saying a dual core i3 would smash a last gen quad core i5 or even i7, but the 980 Ti is a pretty high end GPU, and pairing it with an i3 just doesn't sound right to me.

 

I'd really like some help with what CPU I should to upgrade to. Many people suggest one that supports DDR4, and the new skylake CPUs are very power efficient, so they might be a better choice than an 4th or 3rd gen intel CPU.

 

What I'm getting at is that it would be great if someone could clarify the cheapest CPU I need to maximise the performance of my 980 Ti. If you could, I would appreciate a motherboard and RAM recommendation if you say GO DDR4.

[FanBlade]

2 minutes ago, othcat said:

My FX 6300 is really capping my 980 Ti's performance as I'm only getting around 60 fps on GTA V at 1080p on very high settings, similar to what my old r9 270 was getting.

 

I researched quite a bit and many people have different ideas about CPUs, saying a dual core i3 would smash a last gen quad core i5 or even i7, but the 980 Ti is a pretty high end GPU, and pairing it with an i3 just doesn't sound right to me.

 

I'd really like some help with what CPU I should to upgrade to. Many people suggest one that supports DDR4, and the new skylake CPUs are very power efficient, so they might be a better choice than an 4th or 3rd gen intel CPU.

 

What I'm getting at is that it would be great if someone could clarify the cheapest CPU I need to maximise the performance of my 980 Ti. If you could, I would appreciate a motherboard and RAM recommendation if you say GO DDR4.

Get a Core i5 6500.A cheap mobo is the msi b150m bazooka. For ram get the cheapest dual channel 8gb kit from any of these companies:Kingston, corsair, adata, mushkin, crucial or Patriot. 

[TheSuspect]

Budget? Maybe something like a 4690k/6600k.

[Ichi]

i5 skylake and be done with it.

[HKZeroFive]

GTA V is one of the few games that takes advantage of more threads and a higher clockspeed. I usually say that an i5 would be enough but then it's technically a 'bottleneck' in this case.

 

Although it depends on how much you can spend, I'd say shoot for an i7. If you were to reuse your RAM, you could grab a Xeon 1231 v3 if you're not overclocking or a i7 4790K if you are. A Z97 motherboard such as the MSI Z97 SLI Krait would work. If you're going Skylake, I suggest either the i7 6700 (not overclocking) or a i7 6700K. Pair that with a Z170 motherboard (any should really do) with 16GB of DDR4 RAM (I highly suggest looking at grabbing G.Skill's TridentZ 3000MHz for $80) and you're golden.

[othcat]

6 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

GTA V is one of the few games that takes advantage of more threads and a higher clockspeed. I usually say that an i5 would be enough but then it's technically a 'bottleneck' in this case.

 

Although it depends on how much you can spend, I'd say shoot for an i7. If you were to reuse your RAM, you could grab a Xeon 1231 v3 if you're not overclocking or a i7 4790K if you are. A Z97 motherboard such as the MSI Z97 SLI Krait would work. If you're going Skylake, I suggest either the i7 6700 (not overclocking) or a i7 6700K. Pair that with a Z170 motherboard (any should really do) with 16GB of DDR4 RAM (I highly suggest looking at grabbing G.Skill's TridentZ 3000MHz for $80) and you're golden.

Will DDR4 affect performance much?

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, othcat said:

Will DDR4 affect performance much?

A partial reason of why Skylake is faster than Haswell is because of DDR4, but comparing a i7 4790K against a i7 6700K for example shows a marginal performance gap.

[othcat]

1 minute ago, HKZeroFive said:

A partial reason of why Skylake is faster than Haswell is because of DDR4, but comparing a i7 4790K against a i7 6700K for example shows a marginal performance gap.

Check this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/j9RHVn all for just a bit over the price of an i7 4790k. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there is a way to overclock non-K skylake CPUs then with a decent cooler I would get close to the i7?

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, othcat said:

Check this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/j9RHVn all for just a bit over the price of an i7 4790k. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there is a way to overclock non-K skylake CPUs then with a decent cooler I would get close to the i7?

No, not unless you overclock BCLK and you won't be able to do much beyond a small jump because BCLK affects everything

 

13 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

A partial reason of why Skylake is faster than Haswell is because of DDR4, but comparing a i7 4790K against a i7 6700K for example shows a marginal performance gap.

Is there definitive proof of this? Like DDR3-2166 vs DDR4-2166, or even DDR3-2400 vs DDR4-2166.

[othcat]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

No, not unless you overclock BCLK and you won't be able to do much beyond a small jump because BCLK affects everything

Can you change the multiplier?

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, othcat said:

Can you change the multiplier?

Only down.

[othcat]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Only down.

 This source says if you downgrade the BIOS, you can.

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, othcat said:

 This source says if you downgrade the BIOS, you can.

He mentioned base clock overclocking, that's changing BCLK, not the multiplier.

[othcat]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

He mentioned base clock overclocking, that's changing BCLK, not the multiplier.

There you go then, wasn't that what you were saying changes EVERYTHING about it?

[Mira Yurizaki]

4 minutes ago, othcat said:

There you go then, wasn't that what you were saying changes EVERYTHING about it?

Yes because BCLK is the clock rate in which practically every component on the motherboard uses. Or at least every major component (CPU, Memory controller, PCIe controller...) So you can't wiggle this very far before the other components start hating you for mismatched timings.

[HKZeroFive]

16 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Is there definitive proof of this?

I'd have to search around but I recall hearing that it does make a difference in combination with the improved IPC. Which reminds me that AMD claims that the gains on their new Bristol Ridge APUs were partially attributed to new memory support, aka DDR4.

[Mira Yurizaki]

14 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

I'd have to search around but I recall hearing that it does make a difference in combination with the improved IPC. Which reminds me that AMD claims that the gains on their new Bristol Ridge APUs were partially attributed to new memory support, aka DDR4.

I know that DDR4 has a higher prefetch throughput, so if you had two memory modules of the same speed but one's DDR3 and the other is DDR4, then DDR4 would win.

 

I dunno, I'm just nitpicking at this

[HKZeroFive]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I know that DDR4 has a higher prefetch throughput, so if you had two memory modules of the same speed but one's DDR3 and the other is DDR4, then DDR4 would win.

 

I dunno, I'm just nitpicking at this

I don't know either. I just hear things from people who know more than me so...

 

On a side note, welcome to the 1K club!

[Verrierr]

DDR4 does speed things up a bit but it's not really worth it when you look at price per performance at the moment. Getting a DDR4 compatible CPU improves your "futureproofity" a bit, but it's worth noting that current high end CPUs are not bottlenecked by DDR3.