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3 minutes ago, xiiijamaican said:

I will be running some programming videos on my channel all summer. If anyone have any special request to let me know. The link is below along with what I have done so far.

Why WinForms? Why aren't you demonstrating something more relevant to current industry such as WPF and MVVM for instance.

The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place.

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1 minute ago, Nuluvius said:

Why WinForms? Why aren't you demonstrating something more relevant to current industry such as WPF and MVVM for instance.

That will be apart of it. But I did winform because I realize that they still teach that in colleges and Universities as an introductory to programming. So Am trying to make the videos flexible. I do have several WPF, MVVM, ASP.NET, MFC, and Windows Universal Platform. I may throw in xamarin c# also. The priority is based on request, so after the paint application I will do few WPF.

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1 minute ago, xiiijamaican said:

That will be apart of it. But I did winform because I realize that they still teach that in colleges and Universities as an introductory to programming. So Am trying to make the videos flexible. I do have several WPF, MVVM, ASP.NET, MFC, and Windows Universal Platform. I may throw in xamarin c# also. The priority is based on request, so after the paint application I will do few WPF.

Sure, I don't want to put you off by any means. It's just that when I see deprecating technologies getting perpetuated it really upsets me.

1 minute ago, xiiijamaican said:

But I did winform because I realize that they still teach that in colleges and Universities as an introductory to programming.

This is quite simply really really shit. If it were me I'd be tempted to simply 'steamroller' such an assumption. The fact that the many in the education system still cling to such archaic technologies and practices just plain hurts; that they take such large sums of money from people and then prep them for entry into the industry with such out of date tools and methodologies is simply ridiculous. I have ranted on here many times about this before and I must digress before I 'go off on one' again. Life is far too short for that.

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3 minutes ago, Nuluvius said:

Sure, I don't want to put you off by any means. It's just that when I see deprecating technologies getting perpetuated it really upsets me.

This is quite simply really really shit. If it were me I'd be tempted to simply 'steamroller' such an assumption. The fact that the many in the education system still cling to such archaic technologies and practices just plain hurts; that they take such large sums of money from people and then prep them for entry into the industry with such out of date tools and methodologies is simply ridiculous. I have ranted on here many times about this before and I must digress before I 'go off on one' again. Life is far too short for that.

I know what you are saying for example, Xamarin C# is current and a way of working smarter not harder to code and publish in multi planform but that is not thought. Using Android studio and other SDKs are thought and then its up to the individual to go out and learn Xamarin by themselves with whatever knowledge they have. The concept the educational system have is that, students must know the programming routs and learn to do things from a lower level. I see what you are saying though and it can be frustrating because it seem they are going backwards rather than moving with the changes.

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2 minutes ago, xiiijamaican said:

I know what you are saying for example, Xamarin C# is current and a way of working smarter not harder to code and publish in multi planform but that is not thought. Using Android studio and other SDKs are thought and then its up to the individual to go out and learn Xamarin by themselves with whatever knowledge they have. The concept the educational system have is that, students must know the programming routs and learn to do things from a lower level.

The frameworks and specific technologies are fine; yes I totally agree that it should be left to the individual to go and find those as part of their education.

2 minutes ago, xiiijamaican said:

I see what you are saying though and it can be frustrating because it seem they are going backwards rather than moving with the changes.

It's quintessentially this though. There's a mismatch between industry progress and industry preparation. The majority of institutions seem to simply not keep up with current progress at the general higher topological level; these are things such as development methodologies, high level technologies and worst of all sins best practices - hell some don't even bother with design patterns at all!

 

We see it all the time on here: Some third/fourth year BSc student breaking down, begging for help and spewing the contents of their dissertation into their thread which they have been disparately hammering away at for months. But the saddest thing about it is that it usually, more often than not amounts to some hideous spaghettified abortion of Visual fucking Basic vomited into a WinForms wrapper.

 

We must ask ourselves why is that? Is it perhaps because the institutions have to disparately hang on to the old farts who can't be bothered to/are intellectually incapable of grappling with current industry standards? Maybe... who knows. I'd be furiously pissed off if my children handed over such sums of cash only to have the start of their careers shaped with such garbage.

 

I'm sorry I have ranted and we are at risk of a derailment!

 

It's your fault.

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6 minutes ago, Nuluvius said:

The frameworks and specific technologies are fine; yes I totally agree that it should be left to the individual to go and find those as part of their education.

It's quintessentially this though. There's a mismatch between industry progress and industry preparation. The majority of institutions seem to simply not keep up with current progress at the general higher topological level; these are things such as development methodologies, high level technologies and worst of all sins best practices - hell some don't even bother with design patterns at all!

 

We see it all the time on here: Some third/fourth year BSc student breaking down, begging for help and spewing the contents of their dissertation into their thread which they have been disparately hammering away at for months. But the saddest thing about it is that it usually, more often than not amounts to some hideous spaghettified abortion of Visual fucking Basic vomited into a WinForms wrapper.

 

We must ask ourselves why is that? Is it perhaps because the institutions have to disparately hang on to the old farts who can't be bothered to/are intellectually incapable of grappling with current industry standards? Maybe... who knows. I'd be furiously pissed off if my children handed over such sums of cash only to have the start of their careers shaped with such garbage.

 

I'm sorry I have ranted and we are at risk of a derailment!

 

It's your fault.

I understand and I can see what you as saying as myself a student going into the third year of software engineering technology. They teach things having you thinking " I cant wait for the good stuff to be thought" wishful thinking I might add. Its not a total lost, for I learn a lot and its because I was programing using QBasic since grade 9 in the 90s and always in that field, but for new students leaving high school I don't expect then to be thought the same thing I was thought 15 years ago. I can only do my part to contribute to the community and hope some poor soul that is subjected to programming in these section can be helped.

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