First Gaming Build Help

[daviden]

I made a post a while back asking for help on my first build for about $1200-1300ish USD and I was given a good list of parts on PC Parts Picker. I'm back again since I will be building the computer very soon and I want to make sure that the parts on the original build are the best I can get. 

 

Here is the original build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/daviden/saved/#view=Y6sdnQ

[Kyle2202]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.88 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($119.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING 3X ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($120.48 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($91.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Founders Edition Video Card  ($449.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Micro Center) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1280.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 19:50 EDT-0400

[daviden]

7 minutes ago, Kyle2202 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.88 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($119.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING 3X ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($120.48 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($80.98 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($91.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Founders Edition Video Card  ($449.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($59.99 @ Micro Center) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($74.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1280.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 19:50 EDT-0400

How much of an improvement would you say this is the other one?

 

[Streetguru]

27 minutes ago, daviden said:

I made a post a while back asking for help on my first build for about $1200-1300ish USD and I was given a good list of parts on PC Parts Picker. I'm back again since I will be building the computer very soon and I want to make sure that the parts on the original build are the best I can get. 

 

Here is the original build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/daviden/saved/#view=Y6sdnQ

So you need a new display with it?

 

that 1080p display is a horrible purchase, I don't know why it's available for $270

 

are you just gaming with it?

You'll want to wait until tomorrow to get the RX 480 with a high end display most likely if you need a new display

[daviden]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

So you need a new display with it?

 

that 1080p display is a horrible purchase, I don't know why it's available for $270

 

are you just gaming with it?

You'll want to wait until tomorrow to get the RX 480 with a high end display most likely if you need a new display

Yes I do need a display with it, I will pretty much just be gaming and watching youtube. Is this RX 480 being launched tomorrow or something?

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, daviden said:

Yes I do need a display with it, I will pretty much just be gaming and watching youtube. Is this RX 480 being launched tomorrow or something?

Yuup, at minimum it should be a 390 for around $200/250 at half the power usage, one sec, the other build is missing a display

So at $200 ish for the display you have the option of 1080p 144hz TN free-sync or a korean 1440p 60hz IPS display, you'd want 144hz for gaming even if it doesn't have the color reproduction of 1440p

390 is just a place holder for the RX 480 8GB

 

still some room in the budget if you want a bit nicer motherboard/case or maybe a 750W PSU if you even want to give running 2 GPUs a try, but that won't exactly be needed for 1080p gaming, just for 4k or 1440p 144hz

 

 

Otherwise if you wanted a better CPU for whatever reason, jump to X99, I wouldn't buy a 6700K, as the non K part here already turbos to 4ghz, so you really won't get too much faster with the 6700K in all likely hood
 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2Ybjc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2Ybjc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($297.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Mushkin ECO3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($51.83 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC G2460PF 24.0" 144Hz Monitor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1113.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:04 EDT-0400

[daviden]

20 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Yuup, at minimum it should be a 390 for around $200/250 at half the power usage, one sec, the other build is missing a display

So at $200 ish for the display you have the option of 1080p 144hz TN free-sync or a korean 1440p 60hz IPS display, you'd want 144hz for gaming even if it doesn't have the color reproduction of 1440p

390 is just a place holder for the RX 480 8GB

 

still some room in the budget if you want a bit nicer motherboard/case or maybe a 750W PSU if you even want to give running 2 GPUs a try, but that won't exactly be needed for 1080p gaming, just for 4k or 1440p 144hz

 

 

Otherwise if you wanted a better CPU for whatever reason, jump to X99, I wouldn't buy a 6700K, as the non K part here already turbos to 4ghz, so you really won't get too much faster with the 6700K in all likely hood
 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2Ybjc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/M2Ybjc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($297.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Mushkin ECO3 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($51.83 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($47.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card  ($269.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: AOC G2460PF 24.0" 144Hz Monitor  ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1113.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 20:04 EDT-0400

Wow thanks a lot I look to this for now unless something better pops up...

 

[Kyle2202]

1 hour ago, daviden said:

How much of an improvement would you say this is the other one?

 

The biggest improvement is the gpu...a 1070 is much better than the 970 and the r9 390... Also most likely will be nearly double the performance of the rx480 but that's speculation based on leaked data so who actually knows how the rx480 performs(we'll find out tomorrow) 

 

i didnt know you needed a monitor as well...

 

an i7 would be absolute overkill for a gaming and web browsing pc

the i5-6600k on a z170 board would be much better imo

[Streetguru]

23 minutes ago, Kyle2202 said:

The biggest improvement is the gpu...a 1070 is much better than the 970 and the r9 390... Also most likely will be nearly double the performance of the rx480 but that's speculation based on leaked data so who actually knows how the rx480 performs(we'll find out tomorrow) 

 

i didnt know you needed a monitor as well...

 

an i7 would be absolute overkill for a gaming and web browsing pc

the i5-6600k on a z170 board would be much better imo

It's about the same price for the 8 thread CPU at 4Ghz turbo vs the pure quad core at probably 4.5ghz in the end

I'd take the i7 for sure over the i5 with the higher end motherboard, as you'd never really need to replace the i7, and most of the features on the higher end board would go to waste

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bbtpf7
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bbtpf7/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($297.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $361.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 21:22 EDT-0400


 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFgVjX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFgVjX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $363.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 21:22 EDT-0400

[daviden]

32 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It's about the same price for the 8 thread CPU at 4Ghz turbo vs the pure quad core at probably 4.5ghz in the end

I'd take the i7 for sure over the i5 with the higher end motherboard, as you'd never really need to replace the i7, and most of the features on the higher end board would go to waste

 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bbtpf7
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/bbtpf7/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($297.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B150M Pro-VD Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $361.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 21:22 EDT-0400


 

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFgVjX
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TFgVjX/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $363.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-06-28 21:22 EDT-0400

From what I've heard, I7s are unnecessary for gaming

Edited June 29, 2016 by daviden

[daviden]

so Streetguru, I'll probably just go with what you originally gave me

[Streetguru]

3 minutes ago, daviden said:

From what I've heard, I7s are unnecessary for gaming, also it seems that list you gave me has disappeared? 

Most games today use 4 threads

 

DX12 is going to change that a fair amount, and if the cost is the same the 8 thread CPU will never really need to be replaced, even if the i5 is slightly faster per core once OC'd

 

[daviden]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Most games today use 4 threads

 

DX12 is going to change that a fair amount, and if the cost is the same the 8 thread CPU will never really need to be replaced, even if the i5 is slightly faster per core once OC'd

 

ya that makes sence, so basically take everything from what you gave me and replace the cpu/MB with the i7 set up?

 

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, daviden said:

ya that makes sence, so basically take everything from what you gave me and replace the cpu/MB with the i7 set up?

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html

 

What do you mean?

I just posted a list of what should be about the best performance per dollar parts

And you'd still have some budget for slight upgrades in places, and have to decide on 1080p 144hz TN or 1440p 60hz IPS

Although the 1080p display will be new and have a warranty and shit, probably just get that anyways for pure gaming, I'm going to be getting one soon I think, the only major complaint I think was that it's a very bright display
 

 

 

[daviden]

7 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html

 

What do you mean?

I just posted a list of what should be about the best performance per dollar parts

And you'd still have some budget for slight upgrades in places, and have to decide on 1080p 144hz TN or 1440p 60hz IPS

Although the 1080p display will be new and have a warranty and shit, probably just get that anyways for pure gaming, I'm going to be getting one soon I think, the only major complaint I think was that it's a very bright display
 

 

 

Alright, I'll see what I want to go with, thanks for the help!

[daviden]

Should I get windows 7 or 10?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, daviden said:

Should I get windows 7 or 10?

Windows 10

[Master Sonic Wisebeard]

15 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Most games today use 4 threads

 

DX12 is going to change that a fair amount, and if the cost is the same the 8 thread CPU will never really need to be replaced, even if the i5 is slightly faster per core once OC'd

 

 

Like StreetGuru said, DX 12 is starting to change the game in terms of CPU usage. It may be a slow change but non the less it is changing. See below of PC world article on thread usage for Ashes of the Singularity

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3039552/hardware/tested-how-many-cpu-cores-you-really-need-for-directx-12-gaming.html
 

I've had an i7 920 OC and I currently use an i7 3960X. My brother bought my old computer with the i7 920 in it which was released in Q4 of 2008. It's showing it's age but it still holds together quite well with it's OC ( I dont remember what it is. 4.2 GHz or something). Mine was released Q4 2011 and deffently doesn't have problems keeping up. It's not the fastest thing around but it gets the job done. it's faster than all my friends CPU's at least lol. yes I know the price points are quite different between my two examples and the build in question, but this is my long winded way of saying getting a more powerful or hyperthreaded CPU is always a good idea. It does allow you to wait to upgrade if you don't have the cash later. And if they are the same price or comparable, bonus.

[daviden]

So streetguru's list has a harddrive and an ssd, I was thinking I could get one 500GB ssd, instead of the 240GB ssd and a 1TB harddrive together

[Streetguru]

33 minutes ago, daviden said:

So streetguru's list has a harddrive and an ssd, I was thinking I could get one 500GB ssd, instead of the 240GB ssd and a 1TB harddrive together

If you don't need the extra space

 

Mushkin ECO3 480gb is about $115 overall the mushkin one should be fine, and it even has an onboard 512MB cache
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/tsL7YJ/mushkin-internal-hard-drive-mknssde3480gb

Otherwise the default option is the 850 Evo/Pro at $155+
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/FrH48d/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e500bam

[daviden]

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/daviden/saved/#view=szKFf7 

 

So I decided to replace the storage streetguru recommended with a single 500GB SSD, and the graphics card will be the rx 480