build Gaming pc build - Need help!

[KrandeKraft]

Hello guys,

 

i want to build my first gaming pc and need some help with it, here is the part list:

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/cGTKYJ

I planned to use an 1440p monitor at first, because im not sure about 4k. Would it be able to run 4k gaming? (maybe the same grapics card again in SLI?)

 

I'm not a native english speaker, so please don't blame me for my issues!

If you don't understand somethink I'm writing please tell me!

[stealth80]

I'd do this, DX12 is gonna want more cores:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  (€393.20 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Caseking)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  (€6.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: MSI X99A SLI PLUS ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (€215.79 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€194.95 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€186.86 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (€97.27 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  (€666.41 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case  (€166.93 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€127.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Fan Controller: BitFenix Recon (White) Fan Controller  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Monitor: Dell U2715H 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  (€299.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Other: Cable Sleeve (€8.90)
Other: Cable Sleeve 2 (€6.73)
Other: PHANTEKS Enthoo Luxe Multicolor LED-Strip - 2m (€30.83)
Total: €2561.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-20 17:26 CET+0100

[DocSwag]

2 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I'd do this, DX12 is gonna want more cores:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  (€393.20 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Caseking)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  (€6.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: MSI X99A SLI PLUS ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (€215.79 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€194.95 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€186.86 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (€97.27 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  (€666.41 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case  (€166.93 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€127.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Fan Controller: BitFenix Recon (White) Fan Controller  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Monitor: Dell U2715H 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  (€299.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Other: Cable Sleeve (€8.90)
Other: Cable Sleeve 2 (€6.73)
Other: PHANTEKS Enthoo Luxe Multicolor LED-Strip - 2m (€30.83)
Total: €2561.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-20 17:26 CET+0100

This except you don't need 32 gb RAM.

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

This except you don't need 32 gb RAM.

yes I agree (however I did under 4k gaming, "low system memory crashes with 16gb /shrug), I cant recommend 4x4gb, just think if you're buying 4 sticks (quad channel) then go with 4x8gb, saves replacing the 4gb sticks further down the line

[KrandeKraft]

Just now, DocSwag said:

This except you don't need 32 gb RAM.

Can you explain to me why I should take an diffrent CPU? Wasn't the one before better?

And whats about the motherboard, why a diffrent one?

 

Sorry guys! I hope you are understanding what I'm writing here

[stealth80]

Direct X 12 which is incoming will benefit much more from the extra cores of the 5820K. An i7 6700K has 4 cores + 4 threads making it appear to have 8 logical cores (emulated if you will). A 5820K has 6 physical cores + 6 hyperthreading making it appear to have 12 logical cores.

 

You need a different motherboard as the 5820k requires a different chipset to that of the 6700k, 2011 pins vs 1151

[KrandeKraft]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

Direct X 12 which is incoming will benefit much more from the extra cores of the 5820K. An i7 6700K has 4 cores + 4 threads making it appear to have 8 logical cores (emulated if you will). A 5820K has 6 physical cores + 6 hyperthreading making it appear to have 12 logical cores.

 

You need a different motherboard as the 5820k requires a different chipset to that of the 6700k, 2011 pins vs 1151

So the rest of the system is good to go with 4k? Or is there a better CPU/Graphicscard that i could buy?

[stealth80]

Just now, KrandeKraft said:

So the rest of the system is good to go with 4k? Or is there a better CPU/Graphicscard that i could buy?

I wouldn't really aim for 4k at the moment, hardware isn't quite there without spending a lot of cash. a 980ti will run most games at 4k with high detail settings, but like my 970 sli set up. it will struggle with some later games, although by that point you could add another 980ti. Personally I feel 1440P is the sweet spot at the moment

[Starelementpoke]

16 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I'd do this, DX12 is gonna want more cores:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor  (€393.20 @ Mindfactory)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC12DX 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Caseking)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste  (€6.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: MSI X99A SLI PLUS ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard  (€215.79 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€194.95 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€186.86 @ Mindfactory)
Storage: Seagate  2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive  (€97.27 @ Mindfactory)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Video Card  (€666.41 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Luxe ATX Full Tower Case  (€166.93 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€127.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F140SP_BK_WLED 82.1 CFM 140mm  Fan  (€23.43 @ Mindfactory)
Fan Controller: BitFenix Recon (White) Fan Controller  (€39.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Monitor: Dell U2715H 60Hz 27.0" Monitor  (€299.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Other: Cable Sleeve (€8.90)
Other: Cable Sleeve 2 (€6.73)
Other: PHANTEKS Enthoo Luxe Multicolor LED-Strip - 2m (€30.83)
Total: €2561.75
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-02-20 17:26 CET+0100

Also, DX12 using more cores is still a rumor.

[KrandeKraft]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

I wouldn't really aim for 4k at the moment, hardware isn't quite there without spending a lot of cash. a 980ti will run most games at 4k with high detail settings, but like my 970 sli set up. it will struggle with some later games, although by that point you could add another 980ti. Personally I feel 1440P is the sweet spot at the moment

alright, so I could build it like this and use it on 1440P and later upgrade it to 4k with another 980ti?

[Starelementpoke]

1 minute ago, KrandeKraft said:

alright, so I could build it like this and use it on 1440P and later upgrade it to 4k with another 980ti?

Honestly, the build suggested is overkill for 1440p.

[stealth80]

3 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Also, DX12 using more cores is still a rumor.

Maybe so, but early indications seem to point to it as a fact:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971612/software-games/windows-10s-radical-directx-12-graphics-tech-tested-more-cpu-cores-more-performance.html?page=2

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-290x-fast-titan-dx12-enabled-3dmark-33-faster-gtx-980/

 

I know the evidence is very limited at the moment, but I would still take the 5820k over the 6700k (especially due to the 6700k's inflated price at the moment) as it is the superior platform

 

[tataklee]

26 minutes ago, KrandeKraft said:

Hello guys,

 

i want to build my first gaming pc and need some help with it, here is the part list:

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/cGTKYJ

I planned to use an 1440p monitor at first, because im not sure about 4k. Would it be able to run 4k gaming? (maybe the same grapics card again in SLI?)

 

I'm not a native english speaker, so please don't blame me for my issues!

If you don't understand somethink I'm writing please tell me!

Just one word of advice: Once you've picked your parts, be sure to look them up on geizhals.de. You might be able to save another 100,- Euros this way.

[KrandeKraft]

1 minute ago, tataklee said:

Just one word of advice: Once you've picked your parts, be sure to look them up on geizhals.de. You might be able to save another 100,- Euros this way.

Thanks!

[stealth80]

4 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Honestly, the build suggested is overkill for 1440p.

I woundn't say so, its going to be near identical performance to my rig and some games I'm running along at 50FPS 1440P fully maxed. If the OP does indeed SLI 2x 980ti then yes I would recommend 4k, but keep in mind a single 980ti is going to struggle at max settings 4k in a years time, if not less (albeit only on latest AAA titles)

[Starelementpoke]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Maybe so, but early indications seem to point to it as a fact:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2971612/software-games/windows-10s-radical-directx-12-graphics-tech-tested-more-cpu-cores-more-performance.html?page=2

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-290x-fast-titan-dx12-enabled-3dmark-33-faster-gtx-980/

 

I know the evidence is very limited at the moment, but I would still take the 5820k over the 6700k (especially due to the 6700k's inflated price at the moment) as it is the superior platform

 

The 3dmark one I'm not surprised, doesn't that test have a physic's benchmark? The ashes one I can't say the same about.

[stealth80]

10 minutes ago, KrandeKraft said:

alright, so I could build it like this and use it on 1440P and later upgrade it to 4k with another 980ti?

You could buy the 4k monitor now, run 4k and just drop the resolution to 1440P when/if the 980ti begins to struggle. That would save switching out the monitor at a later date.

[Starelementpoke]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I woundn't say so, its going to be near identical performance to my rig and some games I'm running along at 50FPS 1440P fully maxed. If the OP does indeed SLI 2x 980ti then yes I would recommend 4k, but keep in mind a single 980ti is going to struggle at max settings 4k in a years time, if not less (albeit only on latest AAA titles)

What's your gpu memory usage look like? In what games?

[KrandeKraft]

Just now, stealth80 said:

You could buy the 4k monitor now, run 4k and just drop the resolution to 1440P when/if the 980ti begins to struggle. That would save switching out the monitor at a later date.

Would the qualitiy be still the same like on a 1440p monitor? Or are there some difficultys doing this? Drivers still work correctly?

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, Starelementpoke said:

What's your gpu memory usage look like? In what games?

Lol I'm not anywhere near the imaginary Vram stutter lol, not at 1440P anyway. Depends on the game really, this weekend I have been playing beta's for the Division and Black Desert so they aren't a good measure as still beta.

 

Games I have been playing around that FPS with max settings (maybe not full MSAA)

 

Rise of the Tomb Raider

GTA V

Fall Out 4

Far Cry 4

Witcher 3 (50 - 80 FPS @ ultra settings)

MGS V

AC: Syndicate

TC Rainbow Six:Siege

 

 

 

[Starelementpoke]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

Lol I'm not anywhere near the imaginary Vram stutter lol, not at 1440P anyway. Depends on the game really, this weekend I have been playing beta's for the Division and Black Desert so they aren't a good measure as still beta.

 

Games I have been playing around that FPS with max settings (maybe not full MSAA)

 

Rise of the Tomb Raider

GTA V

Fall Out 4

Far Cry 4

Witcher 3 (50 - 80 FPS @ ultra settings)

MGS V

AC: Syndicate

TC Rainbow Six:Siege

 

 

 

You got a Black Desert Beta Key too?

[stealth80]

2 minutes ago, KrandeKraft said:

Would the qualitiy be still the same like on a 1440p monitor? Or are there some difficultys doing this? Drivers still work correctly?

 

Drivers won't be an issue at all. I have a 4k TV hooked up to my rig and sometimes wanna just chill on sofa with a gamepad and play some 4k. It runs a lot of games fine at 4k, others are a struggle, most notably AC:Unity and Rise of th Tomb Raider. Those 2x games I run @1440P and the scaling isn't an issue, however I can't speak for specific 4k monitors as to how well the downscale

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, Starelementpoke said:

You got a Black Desert Beta Key too?

Ye, but I actually bought the game and didn't need it, I posted the key up I received a few days ago to the forums

[KrandeKraft]

On 20.2.2016 at 6:03 PM, stealth80 said:

On 20.2.2016 at 6:03 PM, stealth80 said:

 

Drivers won't be an issue at all. I have a 4k TV hooked up to my rig and sometimes wanna just chill on sofa with a gamepad and play some 4k. It runs a lot of games fine at 4k, others are a struggle, most notably AC:Unity and Rise of th Tomb Raider. Those 2x games I run @1440P and the scaling isn't an issue, however I can't speak for specific 4k monitors as to how well the downscale

Drivers won't be an issue at all. I have a 4k TV hooked up to my rig and sometimes wanna just chill on sofa with a gamepad and play some 4k. It runs a lot of games fine at 4k, others are a struggle, most notably AC:Unity and Rise of th Tomb Raider. Those 2x games I run @1440P and the scaling isn't an issue, however I can't speak for specific 4k monitors as to how well the downscale

 

Sooo... I thought about it and I think I'm buing a 4k monitor, I'm not sure but I think I will try to use the i7-6700k as planned (do you think i would still work or do you really reccomend the other one?), but your idea with the ssd is good, but I actually need a bigger one like this: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mzv5p512bw

This is a very fast thing, or? It uses PcIe right?

 

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z170deluxe

This motherboard has only 2x PcIe, right?

there is the problem: If i want to upgrade my pc later, there is now PcIe slot left for the second card...

 

Is this card better than the one before? because of sc? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-06gp44995kr

 

Do you know a good cheap 4k monitor?

 

 

[stealth80]

13 minutes ago, KrandeKraft said:

 

Sooo... I thought about it and I think I'm buing a 4k monitor, I'm not sure but I think I will try to use the i7-6700k as planned (do you think i would still work or do you really reccomend the other one?), but your idea with the ssd is good, but I actually need a bigger one like this: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mzv5p512bw

This is a very fast thing, or? It uses PcIe right?

 

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z170deluxe

This motherboard has only 2x PcIe, right?

there is the problem: If i want to upgrade my pc later, there is now PcIe slot left for the second card...

 

Is this card better than the one before? because of sc? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-06gp44995kr

 

Do you know a good cheap 4k monitor?

 

 

That SSD is a solid choice, the 512gb actually performs a little better than the 256gb.

 

I'm not sure about the PCIE, but I know that board offers 32g/b sec m.2 which is plety fast enough:

 https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z170-A/

 

The EVGA is a solid choice also, they have the best customer support and offer the step up program, they are my "go to" brand for Nvidia

 

I would still say to go 5820K, however the choice is yours. For gaming the 6700K will perform better out of the box, the 5820K would need to be overclocked to perform the same. But anything using more than 4 cores the 5820k will out do the 6700k, especially if its overclocked.

 

As for 4k monitors, depends on your budget?