First PC Build

[ThatOneRussian]

I sprung for dual 770's mainly because I got them used for $165(USD) each, which makes them far better then the amd equivalent.

not in new zealand unfortunately

[KillerOfPie]

not in new zealand unfortunately

I definitly got lucky looking through the classifieds here =) now if only the rest of the parts I need would be as easy to find cheaper(looks directly at cpu)

[ThatOneRussian]

I definitly got lucky looking through the classifieds here =) now if only the rest of the parts I need would be as easy to find cheaper(looks directly at cpu)

In NZ prices for used parts are ridiculous. almost retail price and cpu yeah. but ive seen benchmarks of the 6700k beating the 4790k by 5-10 frames

[KillerOfPie]

In NZ prices for used parts are ridiculous. almost retail price and cpu yeah. but ive seen benchmarks of the 6700k beating the 4790k by 5-10 frames

unfortunately I decided on a 5930k(for good reasons of course...)

[ThatOneRussian]

unfortunately I decided on a 5930k(for good reasons of course...)

i dont feel like the fith generation was made for gaming was it though. more for video editing and rendering

[KillerOfPie]

i dont feel like the fith generation was made for gaming was it though. more for video editing and rendering

which is a decent amount of the things ill be doing with it... (gaming, editing, programming, rendering, chrome with 40 tabs open...)

[ThatOneRussian]

which is a decent amount of the things ill be doing with it... (gaming, editing, programming, rendering, chrome with 40 tabs open...)

true, true

[KillerOfPie]

true, true

The price you gotta pay for equipment that wrecks...

[ThatOneRussian]

The price you gotta pay for equipment that wrecks...

unfortunately there arent many moderately priced cpu's that are decent at everything

[KillerOfPie]

unfortunately there arent many moderately priced cpu's that are decent at everything

sadly this is true.

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

So I've been messing around with AMD along with suggested components (settled for the Radeon R9 390 for now, will reconsider if I understand the GTX970's technical jargon a bit better).

 

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/ynBwsY

 

It's not by much, buts its about $50 cheaper than the Intel build... and seems more powerful (more base clock and cores than Intel)?

 

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/7hMLQ7

 

I understand this is a contentious topic, but what arguments are there for Intel?

[stconquest]

So I've been messing around with AMD along with suggested components (settled for the Radeon R9 390 for now, will reconsider if I understand the GTX970's technical jargon a bit better).

 

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/ynBwsY

 

It's not by much, buts its about $50 cheaper than the Intel build... and seems more powerful (more base clock and cores than Intel)?

 

http://nz.pcpartpicker.com/p/7hMLQ7

 

I understand this is a contentious topic, but what arguments are there for Intel?

 

Intel CPUs can perform more instructions per cycle (IPC).  So a 3GHz Intel, will do more work than a 3GHz AMD on any single core.  This difference is not a little one either.  Intel's IPC is as much as 40% faster than AMDs.

[stconquest]

Comparative build, $1508.

 

Better case, better PSU.  I dropped your "gaming" keyboard.  You don't need to overclock the CPU right away and the CM Hyper 212 is not quiet (I have one, changed the fan within 10 days).  When the time comes where you need more CPU speed, then buy a cooler.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-K/CSM ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($183.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($165.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.09 @ PB Technologies)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card  ($598.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case  ($137.89 @ Aquila Technology)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($169.95 @ Computer Lounge)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer  ($29.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($149.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($59.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor  ($249.00 @ Paradigm PCs)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($19.95 @ Computer Lounge)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse  ($82.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)
Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud Pro Headset  ($113.85 @ PB Technologies)
Total: $2508.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 12:43 NZDT+1300

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

You've also put down Windows 8.1 for the operating system. Is Windows 10 not recommended yet?

[stconquest]

You've also put down Windows 8.1 for the operating system. Is Windows 10 not recommended yet?

 

Free upgrade to 10.... why spend more on 10?  Save $27.

 

@Aldurnamiyanrandvora

 

If you look at my $1508 build... spending more should be prioritized in two places:

 

1.  $30 more for the Sapphire Nitro R9 390.

 

2.  $30 more for a semi-modular PSU or a better wireless adapter.

[MADCATZ]

Comparative build, $1508.

 

Better case, better PSU.  I dropped your "gaming" keyboard.  You don't need to overclock the CPU right away and the CM Hyper 212 is not quiet (I have one, changed the fan within 10 days).  When the time comes where you need more CPU speed, then buy a cooler.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Motherboard: Asus Z97-K/CSM ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($183.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($165.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.09 @ PB Technologies)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card  ($598.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case  ($137.89 @ Aquila Technology)

Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($169.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer  ($29.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($149.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($59.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor  ($249.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($19.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse  ($82.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud Pro Headset  ($113.85 @ PB Technologies)

Total: $2508.73

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 12:43 NZDT+1300

I like it! Only thing would be to add a better keyboard in the future  

[stconquest]

I like it! Only thing would be to add a better keyboard in the future

 

Sacrifices my friend, sacrifices.  :mellow:

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

Comparative build, $1508.

 

Better case, better PSU.  I dropped your "gaming" keyboard.  You don't need to overclock the CPU right away and the CM Hyper 212 is not quiet (I have one, changed the fan within 10 days).  When the time comes where you need more CPU speed, then buy a cooler.

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($399.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Motherboard: Asus Z97-K/CSM ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($183.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($165.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($154.09 @ PB Technologies)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card  ($598.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case  ($137.89 @ Aquila Technology)

Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  ($169.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer  ($29.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit)  ($149.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($59.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor  ($249.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard  ($19.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse  ($82.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud Pro Headset  ($113.85 @ PB Technologies)

Total: $2508.73

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 12:43 NZDT+1300

I think this is a great build, but I'm afraid due to my inexperience you'll have to explain a few things to me... 

 

How is the PSU better? I know there's more to power than just Watts, but what makes this one better? I'm assuming $1508 is USD, but in New Zealand dollars its 1530 dollars. With my previously planned build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($399.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Motherboard: Asus Z97-K/CSM ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($183.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($165.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($171.35 @ PB Technologies)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card ($619.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Case: Corsair SPEC-01 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Mighty Ape)

Power Supply: FSP Group 750W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply ($122.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($29.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($177.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($249.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Keyboard: Thermaltake CHALLENGER PRIME Wired Gaming Keyboard ($83.72 @ Wiseguys)

Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($82.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud II 7.1 Channel Headset ($138.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Total: $2509.01

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 18:35 NZDT+1300

 

It's actually cheaper, with the same stuff. I'm not undermining you, but I just don't understand right now how it's better 

[stconquest]

I think this is a great build, but I'm afraid due to my inexperience you'll have to explain a few things to me... 

 

How is the PSU better? I know there's more to power than just Watts, but what makes this one better? I'm assuming $1508 is USD, but in New Zealand dollars its 1530 dollars. With my previously planned build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($399.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Motherboard: Asus Z97-K/CSM ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($183.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Memory: Kingston Beast 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($165.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($171.35 @ PB Technologies)

Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 390 8GB SOC Video Card ($619.95 @ Computer Lounge)

Case: Corsair SPEC-01 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Mighty Ape)

Power Supply: FSP Group 750W 80+ Silver Certified ATX Power Supply ($122.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer ($29.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($177.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($249.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Keyboard: Thermaltake CHALLENGER PRIME Wired Gaming Keyboard ($83.72 @ Wiseguys)

Mouse: Logitech G502 Wired Optical Mouse ($82.00 @ 1stWave Technologies)

Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud II 7.1 Channel Headset ($138.00 @ Paradigm PCs)

Total: $2509.01

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 18:35 NZDT+1300

 

It's actually cheaper, with the same stuff. I'm not undermining you, but I just don't understand right now how it's better 

 

I meant $2508, not $1508, sorry.

 

Quality.  TBH I am not sure about the FSP, but FSP is known to use less than optimal capacitors in many of their units.  They do make a few better ones.  Seasonic always uses higher quality capacitors.  Capacitors degrade over time and the overall wattage a PSU can deliver lessens.  The higher the quality, the longer the life of the PSU.

 

There are other quality issues with PSUs, but capacitors is an easy thing to get right.  If your power supply says it deliver 700W, you expect it to deliver 700W a year down the road.

 

Efficiency does not have anything to do regarding how much power your PC gets.  Efficiency rating (Bronze/silver/gold/etc...) determines how much power you PSU will draw from the wall in order to achieve its reported wattage.  So if the 750W PSU is 85% efficient, it will draw 862W from the wall (+15%).  I think that is right, sorry tired.

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

Yeah I've got it, that makes a lot of sense, thanks. Yeah I understand, not too bothered by efficiency rating then lol, I'm planning to be in a Uni dorm where I don't need to pay electricity bills by the time I've finished this. I'll do some research on PSU's and capacitors, and thanks for the tip with Seasonic!

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

Hi, it's me again... 

 

The price situation with the R9 390 and the GTX970 has just reversed. In some cases, the GTX970 can be up to $50 dollars cheaper. Of course I'll do my own research, but experts, what do you think?

[TheRandomness]

If you can get it for much cheaper, I'd say go with the 970 (And from how's it's shaping up Fallout 4 is going to have a Nvidia bias). Yes you may be stuck with a 3.5GB frame buffer but it'll be good for 1080 gaming. (But please try to get the 390, preferably from any brand BUT Asus and Gigabyte).

[Aldurnamiyanrandvora]

Fallout 4 and 1080p, exactly what I wanted. My monitor I'm going to get can only support up to that much anyway. I'll take your recommendation to heart and try get the 390 when my funds recover from this build.