Rig for SC (and below)

[mightlife]

Hello there,
My current rig has a Pentium Core2 (2.13Ghz), 3Gb and a GTX8800 - kind of old now as I've had it since 2009!
So, my new build will be to enable me to play Star Citizen and perhaps a couple of other games that probably won't be as demanding.
 
Reasons: 
I want the rig to last for a while and have chosen components with that in mind (well, that's the idea)
Although I've never overclocked, I am not afraid to have a go if it can be done in a stable fashion.

 

Use:
The build will be used for gaming, some 1080p video editing with Vegas or something similar and some light Photoshopping.
The most strenuous game will be SC, I intend of getting SFV and perhaps Skyrim. When Source 2 engine games start coming out, I'll need something to run them.

 

Budget:
My budget is probably a little over 600€ without the GPU; I intend to use my current one until I can save up for the R9, for which I am budgeting no more than 300€.
 
Specs:

• FX 8350
• Noctua NH-D15 Cooler 
• Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
• G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133 PC3-17000 8GB 2x4GB CL9 
• Samsung 2.5-Inch 250 GB 850 EVO Ssd - good quality/ perfomance
• Sapphire Vapor-X - R9 290 TRI-X (4 GB DDR5, HDMI, PCI-E) 
• VS650 PSU 

What do you think?

Any suggestions/ comments are welcome, thanks in advance.

 

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Edited to add more details. Sorry for any confusion.

[RedSphyxis]

Hello there,

My current rig has a Pentium Core2 (2.16Ghz), 3Gb and a GTX8800 - kind of old now as I've had it since 2009!

 

So, my new build will be to enable me to play Star Citizen and perhaps a couple of other games that probably won't be as demanding.

 

I want the rig to last for a while and have chosen components with that in mind (well, that's the idea)

Although I've never overclocked, I am not afraid to have a go if it can be done in a stable fashion.

 

Here are the proposed specs:

• FX 8350
• Noctua NH-D15 Cooler 
• Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
• G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133 PC3-17000 8GB 2x4GB CL9 
• Samsung 2.5-Inch 250 GB 850 EVO Ssd - good quality/ perfomance
• Sapphire Vapor-X - R9 290 TRI-X (4 GB DDR5, HDMI, PCI-E) 
• VS650 PSU 

What do you think?

Any suggestions/ comments are welcome, thanks in advance.

Budget? It would make suggestions easier

 

you could use PCPP since that's what the COC recommends for easier support but it lacks spanish support so you have to do some math.

[OAcesync]

Hello there,

My current rig has a Pentium Core2 (2.16Ghz), 3Gb and a GTX8800 - kind of old now as I've had it since 2009!

 

So, my new build will be to enable me to play Star Citizen and perhaps a couple of other games that probably won't be as demanding.

 

I want the rig to last for a while and have chosen components with that in mind (well, that's the idea)

Although I've never overclocked, I am not afraid to have a go if it can be done in a stable fashion.

 

Here are the proposed specs:

• FX 8350
• Noctua NH-D15 Cooler 
• Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
• G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3 2133 PC3-17000 8GB 2x4GB CL9 
• Samsung 2.5-Inch 250 GB 850 EVO Ssd - good quality/ perfomance
• Sapphire Vapor-X - R9 290 TRI-X (4 GB DDR5, HDMI, PCI-E) 
• VS650 PSU 

What do you think?

Any suggestions/ comments are welcome, thanks in advance.

Use pcpartpicker and for gaming I would go with Intel

 

Budget? It would make suggestions easier

 

you could use PCPP since that's what the COC recommends for easier support but it lacks spanish support so you have to do some math.

It has Spanish support

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/

[RedSphyxis]

Use pcpartpicker and for gaming I would go with Intel

 

It has Spanish support

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/

I meant the support for local stores.

 

It only has support for amazon.es which is quite limited compared to having multiple locally known tech stores that might have better offers.

[mightlife]

Budget? It would make suggestions easier

 

you could use PCPP since that's what the COC recommends for easier support but it lacks spanish support so you have to do some math.

Sorry, I'll edit that into the original post. 

Probably a little over 600€ without the GPU. I intend to use my current one until I can save up for the R9, for which I am budgeting no more than 300€.

 

Use pcpartpicker and for gaming I would go with Intel

 

It has Spanish support

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/

I was under the impression that SC will favour the use of AMD and it's Mantle API, also that games are becoming more reliant on multiple cores. At least that, and the price/ performance is the reason for my choice.

 

Thanks for the suggestion on PCPP, but ATM I'm just saving everything in my Amazon.es shopping cart to keep track of prices.

I'm English, so I don't need Spanish/ Catalan (the native language spoken here) support. 

[mightlife]

Thanks for the suggestion on PCPP, but ATM I'm just saving everything in my Amazon.es shopping cart to keep track of prices.

I'm English, so I don't need Spanish/ Catalan (the native language spoken here) support. 

Actually, checking out the Es site of PCPP, this is better for keeping tabs on the build, but lacks full support for prices, thanks again though.

[mightlife]

@RedSphyxis @OAcesync

 

Here's the link http://es.pcpartpicker.com/p/89kpcf

[RedSphyxis]

Actually, checking out the Es site of PCPP, this is better for keeping tabs on the build, but lacks full support for prices, thanks again though.

@RedSphyxis @OAcesync

 

Here's the link http://es.pcpartpicker.com/p/89kpcf

AFAIK Mantle is DEAD lol. But IDK if SC still uses it though. and the CPU isn't the one relying on mantle it's the GPU so you just an amd GPU for mantle support

 

so go for intel either a i3 w/ HyperThreading or an i5.

 

Also might check on r9 390 prices the current difference in prices is not that high but it always pays to have more VRAM.

[mightlife]

AFAIK Mantle is DEAD lol. But IDK if SC still uses it though. and the CPU isn't the one relying on mantle it's the GPU so you just an amd GPU for mantle support

 

so go for intel either a i3 w/ HyperThreading or an i5.

 

Also might check on r9 390 prices the current difference in prices is not that high but it always pays to have more VRAM.

Ah, ok then. I haven't heard the much about Mantle recently, so I guess you're right hehe.

Forgive the ignorance, but I thought that it was better not to 'cross the streams' with respect to the CPU and GPU.

Sure, I'll check out the 390, but I wouldn't be getting it until about the beginning of 2016, so the price will probably be much better.

Any particular i5? I haven't done any research about them, I'd appreciate some pointers. Changing the processor, changes such a lot - especially the price!

[RedSphyxis]

Ah, ok then. I haven't heard the much about Mantle recently, so I guess you're right hehe.

Forgive the ignorance, but I thought that it was better not to 'cross the streams' with respect to the CPU and GPU.

Sure, I'll check out the 390, but I wouldn't be getting it until about the beginning of 2016, so the price will probably be much better.

Any particular i5? I haven't done any research about them, I'd appreciate some pointers. Changing the processor, changes such a lot - especially the price!

pcpp checks the compatibility so you should have an easier time. When I first built a computer years ago I had no youtube to help me just a pre-built one at home.

 

That's just a newbie myth it's perfectly fine to mix up amd and intel cpus with nvidia and amd GPU's

 

any i5 should do. I suggest getting a skylake i5(the newest generation). don't go get fooled by the "gaming" advertisements on Motheboards they're usually just useless marketing garbage that barely makes a difference in gaming.(But will sometimes have a great effect on professional usage)

[mightlife]

pcpp checks the compatibility so you should have an easier time. When I first built a computer years ago I had no youtube to help me just a pre-built one at home.

 

That's just a newbie myth it's perfectly fine to mix up amd and intel cpus with nvidia and amd GPU's

 

any i5 should do. I suggest getting a skylake i5(the newest generation). don't go get fooled by the "gaming" advertisements on Motheboards they're usually just useless marketing garbage that barely makes a difference in gaming.(But will sometimes have a great effect on professional usage)

Thanks for the replies BTW.

Good news about the mixing - makes sense, after all.

Looking at CPU Boss, it looks like we have a clear winner - http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

But double the cores (AMD 8 v. Intel 4), more cache (l2 = 8Mb v. 1Mb, l3 = 8Mb v. 6Mb), higher turbo speed (4.2Ghz v. 3.8Ghz) and the price difference (158€ v. 254€), still make me lean towards the FX.

 

[RedSphyxis]

Thanks for the replies BTW.

Good news about the mixing - makes sense, after all.

Looking at CPU Boss, it looks like we have a clear winner - http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670K-vs-AMD-FX-8350

But double the cores (AMD 8 v. Intel 4), more cache (l2 = 8Mb v. 1Mb, l3 = 8Mb v. 6Mb), higher turbo speed (4.2Ghz v. 3.8Ghz) and the price difference (158€ v. 254€), still make me lean towards the FX.

 

That's a very newbie mistake so no fault there.

 

The reason that the FX series looks so good on paper is because what they don't tell you is that 2 cores share the same resources for the FX series. So the cache for each core would actually be half of what's stated.

 

The PER core performance of the i5 beats the shit out of the FX-series the only real reason to buy an FX series is purely circumstantial or you need a low budget editing rig.

 

more Hz doesn't mean better PER core performance. Eventhough gaming benefits from Higher core clock speeds it would still be bottlenecked due to the fact that 2 cores share the same resources.

 

CPUboss and GPUboss ratings are pretty damn accurate and reliable

[mightlife]

That's a very newbie mistake so no fault there.

 

The reason that the FX series looks so good on paper is because what they don't tell you is that 2 cores share the same resources for the FX series. So the cache for each core would actually be half of what's stated.

 

The PER core performance of the i5 beats the shit out of the FX-series the only real reason to buy an FX series is purely circumstantial or you need a low budget editing rig.

 

more Hz doesn't mean better PER core performance. Eventhough gaming benefits from Higher core clock speeds it would still be bottlenecked due to the fact that 2 cores share the same resources.

 

CPUboss and GPUboss ratings are pretty damn accurate and reliable

Cool. So let's say I'm holding off on the GPU for the time being and can put  about 620€ in an i5 build, what would you (or anyone else) suggest? 

 

BTW: The Sapphire R9 390 Tri-X is 438€, while the 290 is 328€

[mightlife]

If I have configured another build, should I continue to post it here or start another thread?

[mightlife]

Okay, I'll add the revised build here:

 

PCPP - http://es.pcpartpicker.com/p/H94yCJ

 

Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz 

 

Cooler Master Hyper 212 

 

Noctua NT-H1 3.5g Thermal Paste

 

ASRock Z87M Extreme4 Micro ATX LGA1150 

 

G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133

 

Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB

 

Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Vapor-X 

 

Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case

 

Corsair VS 650W ATX Power Supply

[jimakos234]

You better save up and get a r9 390 for the same price range.

You should have something like this in mind

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($72.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($38.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card  ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $745.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 19:43 EDT-0400

[mightlife]

You better save up and get a r9 390 for the same price range.

You should have something like this in mind

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($174.89 @ OutletPC)

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($72.98 @ Newegg)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($38.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($74.00 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card  ($319.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($64.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Total: $745.84

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-20 19:43 EDT-0400

Ela ré!

 

Thanks for the input, but I'm already pushing the limits of my budget, so for the time being, an R9 390 (at least at the prices in Spain/ Catalunya) is out of the question.

Your revised build list is interesting, could you explain why you think the changes (to basically all the parts I chose) are necessary? Especially given the fact that I am interested in an unlocked CPU for overclocking purposes.

Cheers!

[Streetguru]

Hello there,

You might as well just save up a bit more and buy it all at once

 

Also there's not much reason to go AM3+ unless you really need the extra cores at a lower price

PCPartPicker part list: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/B4q6Hx

Price breakdown by merchant: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/B4q6Hx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€176.57 @ Mindfactory)

Motherboard: Asus H81M-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€58.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€39.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€51.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card  (€317.89 @ Mindfactory)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€40.07 @ Home of Hardware DE)

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€55.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Total: €739.01

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-22 05:30 CEST+0200

[mightlife]

You might as well just save up a bit more and buy it all at once

 

Also there's not much reason to go AM3+ unless you really need the extra cores at a lower price

PCPartPicker part list: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/B4q6Hx

Price breakdown by merchant: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/B4q6Hx/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€176.57 @ Mindfactory)

Motherboard: Asus H81M-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€58.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€39.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€51.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card  (€317.89 @ Mindfactory)

Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€40.07 @ Home of Hardware DE)

Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (€55.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Total: €739.01

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-22 05:30 CEST+0200

Thanks for the input @Streetguru

 

I have noticed a price difference between the 4670k and 4460 that you and @jimakos234 both propose, but the overclocking performance is much higher in the 4670; wouldn't that be better for future-proofing?

[Streetguru]

Thanks for the input @Streetguru

Kind of, but for games it's not going to hold you back for a long while, and it'll get over 60fps no problem, the unlock i5 is really only worth it to run a 144hz display,. and it costs more as well when you factor in the decent cooling and higher end motherboard to get a good overclock on it

[mightlife]

Kind of, but for games it's not going to hold you back for a long while, and it'll get over 60fps no problem, the unlock i5 is really only worth it to run a 144hz display,. and it costs more as well when you factor in the decent cooling and higher end motherboard to get a good overclock on it

Hmm, interesting. Cheers!

Back to Google for some research