Software Developer PC Build (< €1000, Netherlands)

[SammLeach]

Oh you have choosen the itx one. Why don't you go matx?

 

I like to idea of having a small case. I have never had an itx and have been using a laptop since 2010. I don't mind a slightly larger matx but I prefer the smaller form factor if I can get away with it.

 

So you recommend Z97 because it will cost less and give the same performance as the Z170 ? 

I would save roughly 100€ but I just don't think it's is wise buying not latest gen hardware even if the performance is similar.

[Stefan1024]

I like to idea of having a small case. I have never had an itx and have been using a laptop since 2010. I don't mind a slightly larger matx but I prefer the smaller form factor if I can get away with it.

 

So you recommend Z97 because it will cost less and give the same performance as the Z170 ? 

I would save roughly 100€ but I just don't think it's is wise buying not latest gen hardware even if the performance is similar.

Well sure Z170 will give you a bit (<10%) more performance and if you don't mind spending more than buy it. It's a ggod platform after all.

ITX is very limitted in therms of upgradebillity compared to mATX since you only have one PCI-e slot compared to four.

[SammLeach]

Well sure Z170 will give you a bit (<10%) more performance and if you don't mind spending more than buy it. It's a ggod platform after all.

ITX is very limitted in therms of upgradebillity compared to mATX since you only have one PCI-e slot compared to four.

 

~10% more performance sounds good.

 

I will decide today.

[Stefan1024]

~10% more performance sounds good.

 

I will decide today.

You won't notice a difference if one system is running at 60% and the other at 70% B)

[SammLeach]

I must note that a single 500GB PCIe would cost you about $500 alone, and you also haven't said anything about a GPU?

 

 

I'm IP banned from PC Part picker but here's a general guideline for you:

 

Core i5 4460

Asus B85M G R2.0

16GB RAM of whatever is cheapest

500 GB SSD that isn't a Kingston V300 (SATA)

2 TB Hitachi Desktar hard drive as those are amazing and can be found cheap.

Fractal Define R4 is amazingly cheap nowadays but if it's too big you can find a Micro ATX case like a Cooler Master N200 to fit.

EVGA 550W GS power supply or Antec High Current Gamer 520W. EVGAs B2 series is also good. Check my PSU whitelist in my sig for more good power supplies

Whatever GPU you think you'll need that you still have money for. I would think an R9 380 would be plenty for you but I could be wrong.

 

 

 

In general you need for software development (compillation especially) the fastest storage you can get (e.g. Intel 750, 2400MHz RAM) and good single core performance like the i7-6770(K).

Normally you don't get a more performance from >4 cores. However for video editing it helps a lot.

 

For your usage you will get away with a cheap GPU.

 

 

SSD is only for the sake of responsiveness. It feels a million times better to use an OS on an SSD than on a HDD.

 

 

All ram performs  the same. Whatever is the cheapest.

 

 

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€257.84 @ Mindfactory) 

Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€88.61 @ Mindfactory) 

Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  (€90.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€175.74 @ Mindfactory) 

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€52.02 @ Mindfactory) 

Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Black Edition Double Dissipation Video Card  (€264.90 @ Caseking) 

Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case  (€46.74 @ Mindfactory) 

Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€97.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €1074.64

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-26 22:54 CEST+0200

 

 

 

The 950 is there in case you decide to play some games(also the xeon doesnt have an igpu so..). For 2 4k monitors tho, if it is for gaming, you need to raise the budget

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€257.84 @ Mindfactory)

CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  (€19.90 @ Caseking)

Motherboard: MSI H97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€82.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€89.84 @ Mindfactory)

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€175.74 @ Mindfactory)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€75.53 @ Mindfactory)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 950 2GB Dual WindForce Video Card  (€160.94 @ Mindfactory)

Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€49.90 @ Caseking)

Power Supply: XFX TS 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€76.83 @ Mindfactory)

Total: €989.41

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-26 22:58 CEST+0200

 

 

 no, better a 500gb ssd for the same price

The xeon is a server grade cpu, an i7 without the igpu(intel hd) and with ecc memory support

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€257.84 @ Mindfactory)

CPU Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 45.0 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler  (€19.90 @ Caseking)

The stock cooler can be noisy, and this one is quiet enough (you can remove it if you want, for extra savings)

Motherboard: MSI H97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  (€82.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)

h97 mobo, supporting haswell refresh out of the box, withou any needs for bios upgrade.It also supports 32 gigs of rams, up to 1600mhz effective speed.

Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (€89.84 @ Mindfactory)

16 gigs of ddr3 ram, with low cas latency(9) at a good price, while meeting the standard haswell specification 1600mhz speed 1,5 volts

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (€175.74 @ Mindfactory)

One of the best ssd, with great read/write speeds and large capacity, at a good price point

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€75.53 @ Mindfactory)

A reliable hdd with large storage room, with good rpm speed and cache, on the cheap

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 950 2GB Dual WindForce Video Card  (€160.94 @ Mindfactory)

Since the xeon doesnt have an igpu, you need a video card. Nvidia low budget gaming gpu, with CUDA cores. 4k @60hz support and 2gb of gddr5 vram

Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (€49.90 @ Caseking)

A solid quality ,cheap case, that will get the job done, with nice airflow and cable management

Power Supply: XFX TS 650W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€76.83 @ Mindfactory)

A gold rated power supply, that will fullfill all your system needs, by xfx, made by seasonic, one of the best psu manufacturers. Tier 2 rated

Total: €989.41

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-26 23:15 CEST+0200

 

 

You can get 4k at 30fps. The xeon is the i7 4790 without the intel graphics and with ecc memory support, as i said before, and it is clocked a bit lower.(200mhz, not that noticable)

But it comes cheaper, like 100 euros in some regions. If you needed the ecc memory, the xeon would be the only way to go. Since you need neither the external gpu nor ecc memory, i think the i7 will be a better option. The xeon would be a better choice if you wanted the external gpu+i7, since you wouldn't be using the igpu, but not this time.Here is the revised build.

 

 

http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/r7CRmG

 

 

 

you will need a z97 mobo in order to overclock it,which they tend to be more expensive, and an aftermarket cpu cooler in order to keep the temps low

It is better for sure, but it comes with a cost.

 

Thanks a lot for all your suggestions!

This is what I ended up with:

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€395.43 @ Mindfactory) 

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€197.77 @ Mindfactory) 

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€107.54 @ Mindfactory) 

Storage: Samsung SM951 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€316.94 @ Mindfactory) 

Case: Thermaltake Core V1 Mini ITX Tower Case  (€39.82 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€97.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) 

Total: €1205.29

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 18:01 CEST+0200

 

The SSD is really amazing. I am running the 6700K @ 4.4GHz on stock 1.2v vcore and it feels very responsive.

I still need to work on cooling as the 6700K idles at 30C but rises to 85C under PRIME95 load. I might put 2 80mm fans in the case as exhaust but I don't know how loud they would be. It's a shame that this small case doesn't allow quieter larger 120mm fans.

 

I ran 4.7GHz PRIME95 1.325v for a few minutes but temps were too high. It seems this 6700K would overclock well with good cooling!

 

It was funny that I didn't have to use any of the modular PSU cables as I am not connecting a traditional SSD, HDD or anything else. Cable management was easy.

 

I think I could have saved a little money and gotten a simpler mobo. I might change it for the ASUS Z170 ITX when I can buy it. I trust ASUS over ASRock.

[Amazingasian]

Thanks a lot for all your suggestions!This is what I ended up with: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€395.43 @ Mindfactory) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D9L 46.4 CFM CPU Cooler  (€49.90 @ Amazon Deutschland) Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€197.77 @ Mindfactory) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (€107.54 @ Mindfactory) Storage: Samsung SM951 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (€316.94 @ Mindfactory) Case: Thermaltake Core V1 Mini ITX Tower Case  (€39.82 @ Amazon Deutschland) Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€97.89 @ Amazon Deutschland) Total: €1205.29Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-18 18:01 CEST+0200 The SSD is really amazing. I am running the 6700K @ 4.4GHz on stock 1.2v vcore and it feels very responsive.I still need to work on cooling as the 6700K idles at 30C but rises to 85C under PRIME95 load. I might put 2 80mm fans in the case as exhaust but I don't know how loud they would be. It's a shame that this small case doesn't allow quieter larger 120mm fans. I ran 4.7GHz PRIME95 1.325v for a few minutes but temps were too high. It seems this 6700K would overclock well with good cooling! It was funny that I didn't have to use any of the modular PSU cables as I am not connecting a traditional SSD, HDD or anything else. Cable management was easy. I think I could have saved a little money and gotten a simpler mobo. I might change it for the ASUS Z170 ITX when I can buy it. I trust ASUS over ASRock.

Try stress testing with aida64 or Intel XTU. Prime95 stresses the cpu too much.

[SammLeach]

Try stress testing with aida64 or Intel XTU. Prime95 stresses the cpu too much.

 

Isn't the point of stress testing to make sure that the system is stable? How can you stress it too much?! If it's stable under high stress, it's going to be stable under normal use.

[Amazingasian]

Isn't the point of stress testing to make sure that the system is stable? How can you stress it too much?! If it's stable under high stress, it's going to be stable under normal use.

Prime95 pushes more volts through your cpu than you are going to see in even the most cpu intensive programs and games. It's even slightly bad for your cpu.

[SammLeach]

Prime95 pushes more volts through your cpu than you are going to see in even the most cpu intensive programs and games. It's even slightly bad for your cpu.

 

Ok. Interesting. Thanks for the info. What is the defacto stability test these days? Back in 2006 with AMD Athlon 64s it was around an hour of PRIME95 or 12 hours to be sure.

[Amazingasian]

Ok. Interesting. Thanks for the info. What is the defacto stability test these days? Back in 2006 with AMD Athlon 64s it was around an hour of PRIME95 or 12 hours to be sure.

For a cpu, I'd do anywhere from 16-24 hours of AIDA64 or Intel XTU.