Difference in Memory

[noahsheldon81]

I was currently building a new PC and am currently deciding on RAM. I was originally going to go with this RAM (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q23...) apposed to this one (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q32grk) as the only difference being how many sticks it is and a decent savings. Then I saw this ( http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q32...) I like this last one better as it is less sticks allowing for more expansion later. But, I was wondering, what is the difference between the second link and third link as there is a price difference but they appear to be the same thing. Thank you in advance. Also, there are links to the new egg website with more specs on the links I attached. 

[DarkBlade2117]

Pretty much is no difference. What kind of PC are you building thst requires 32gbs of ddr4 ram?

[thewind32]

I was currently building a new PC and am currently deciding on RAM. I was originally going to go with this RAM (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q23...) apposed to this one (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q32grk) as the only difference being how many sticks it is and a decent savings. Then I saw this ( http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f43000c15q32...) I like this last one better as it is less sticks allowing for more expansion later. But, I was wondering, what is the difference between the second link and third link as there is a price difference but they appear to be the same thing. Thank you in advance. Also, there are links to the new egg website with more specs on the links I attached. 

 

As what DarkBlade said, they are pretty much the same. They have the same frequency and are CL-15. Only difference is the timings of 15-15-15-35 vs 15-16-16-35. For these timing values, a lower number would mean the ram takes less time to respond. However, between those 2 timings (the second & third links), you won't notice any difference in real-world usage, unless you benchmark them.

 

On a side note, again with what Darkblade said, why 32gb of ram, and ddr4 no less?

[noahsheldon81]

Pretty much is no difference. What kind of PC are you building thst requires 32gbs of ddr4 ram?

 

As what DarkBlade said, they are pretty much the same. They have the same frequency and are CL-15. Only difference is the timings of 15-15-15-35 vs 15-16-16-35. For these timing values, a lower number would mean the ram takes less time to respond. However, between those 2 timings (the second & third links), you won't notice any difference in real-world usage, unless you benchmark them.

 

On a side note, again with what Darkblade said, why 32gb of ram, and ddr4 no less?

 I will be building a video editing PC which will be running Premiere Pro CC and After Effects with regular desktop use as well. Which is better, higher speed ddr3 or the speed I have now for ddr4?

[thewind32]

 I will be building a video editing PC which will be running Premiere Pro CC and After Effects with regular desktop use as well. Which is better, higher speed ddr3 or the speed I have now for ddr4?

 

Ddr4 should be faster (in a benchmark setting), if you compare the frequencies (the mhz number) of ddr4 vs ddr3. Of course, latency, or the CAS value would affect the speed too (the lower the better).

 

However, the CPU specs would be more important for things like video editing etc. In a good modern system, ram should not be the bottleneck given their bandwidth. I would drop down to ddr3 and use the money to push the CPU further.

 

Linus did a video on ddr4 vs ddr3 before, check it out if you haven't already.

 

Here's an article with some comparisons as well. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8

 

That being said, I have not personally used ddr4 yet, and neither have I built a PC for video editing and your other usage, so I do not have the experience to give you a solid answer. My advice would be to find some articles with benchmarks for the ram you're looking at, and see their performance in programs that are similar to yours.

[noahsheldon81]

Ddr4 should be faster (in a benchmark setting), if you compare the frequencies (the mhz number) of ddr4 vs ddr3. Of course, latency, or the CAS value would affect the speed too (the lower the better).

 

However, the CPU specs would be more important for things like video editing etc. In a good modern system, ram should not be the bottleneck given their bandwidth. I would drop down to ddr3 and use the money to push the CPU further.

 

Linus did a video on ddr4 vs ddr3 before, check it out if you haven't already.

 

Here's an article with some comparisons as well. http://www.anandtech.com/show/8959/ddr4-haswell-e-scaling-review-2133-to-3200-with-gskill-corsair-adata-and-crucial/8

 

That being said, I have not personally used ddr4 yet, and neither have I built a PC for video editing and your other usage, so I do not have the experience to give you a solid answer. My advice would be to find some articles with benchmarks for the ram you're looking at, and see their performance in programs that are similar to yours.

Thanks, here is my build so far, http://pcpartpicker.com/p/24NvGX

Still looking at if I should change motherboard or power supply. Feedback welcomed. 

Thanks. 

[Raudi_]

@rtsurfer your expertise is needed here for memory.

[rtsurfer]

@rtsurfer your expertise is needed here for memory.

:wub:

 

 

@noahsheldon81 The difference between the 2nd Link & the 3rd link is the "Manufacture of the RAM chips", more commonly referred to as RAM IC.

 

The 2nd Kit is Sk Hynix RAM in it, while both the 1st & 3rd one is Samsung.

 

On DDR4 & most importantly, on the X99 platform, Hynix ram performs better than their Samsung counterparts, but it is more expensive. When DDR4 launched last year, all the RAM in Gskill, Corsair & Kingston's lineup was Hynix, which is also why it was expensive. As time has passed, Samsung has developed RAM that can almost match Hynix's timings, and both Corsair & Gskill have switched the ICs on all of their lineup to Samsung, because it is so much cheaper.

 

But if you have a Hynix IC kit at 3000 16-16-16 & Samsung IC kit at the same 3000 16-16-16, Hynix will have better performance in read/write speeds.

 

Now if supposedly you want to buy a kit with Hynix ICs by Gskill, how do you tell the difference.? All Gskill DDR4 Ripjaws that have "Black heatsinks" & product code ending with "GRK or GRKD" are Hynix.

 

Also you have to be sure to buy a decent factory Bin, it would be impossible to get a 2133Mhz Hynix kit & get it to run as good a 3000 Samsung kit.

Amongst all 3 you have listed, the 2nd Black set is Hynix & will perform the best of that Bunch.

(I have that kit sitting in my Newegg card since last 2 days, thinking if I should try it or not).

 

Hope this helps.

[noahsheldon81]

:wub:

 

 

@noahsheldon81 The difference between the 2nd Link & the 3rd link is the "Manufacture of the RAM chips", more commonly referred to as RAM IC.

 

The 2nd Kit is Sk Hynix RAM in it, while both the 1st & 3rd one is Samsung.

 

On DDR4 & most importantly, on the X99 platform, Hynix ram performs better than their Samsung counterparts, but it is more expensive. When DDR4 launched last year, all the RAM in Gskill, Corsair & Kingston's lineup was Hynix, which is also why it was expensive. As time has passed, Samsung has developed RAM that can almost match Hynix's timings, and both Corsair & Gskill have switched the ICs on all of their lineup to Samsung, because it is so much cheaper.

 

But if you have a Hynix IC kit at 3000 16-16-16 & Samsung IC kit at the same 3000 16-16-16, Hynix will have better performance in read/write speeds.

 

Now if supposedly you want to buy a kit with Hynix ICs by Gskill, how do you tell the difference.? All Gskill DDR4 Ripjaws that have "Black heatsinks" & product code ending with "GRK or GRKD" are Hynix.

 

Also you have to be sure to buy a decent factory Bin, it would be impossible to get a 2133Mhz Hynix kit & get it to run as good a 3000 Samsung kit.

Amongst all 3 you have listed, the 2nd Black set is Hynix & will perform the best of that Bunch.

(I have that kit sitting in my Newegg card since last 2 days, thinking if I should try it or not).

 

Hope this helps.

 

Wow, very informative. Thank you very much. 

 

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I actually got some help from a friend and in a way started a new build. Now I am wondering if the price difference in the two rams in which I linked above is worth the performance difference for my use which will be workstation/video editing?

 

[rtsurfer]

Since video editing is so much RAM dependent, its better to get the Fastest & Tightest RAM you can buy.

Out of those 2, the crucial ones would probably be better, I guess.