AMD Athlon X4 750K

[91wow]

What are your thoughts on this CPU over a FM2 APU for it's price-performance ratio? I was thinking about making a land PC out of this instead of my C2Q and want to know what type of performance I would get out of this thing it's pretty much (from what I heard) a 5800K with no on board video, I was going to pair it with a 7770GHZ edition and 8GB's of ram on a AsRock FM2 mobo for $349.22 after shipping and tax and all that and would like some feed back on this CPU, will mostly be playing arma 2 dayZ, arma 3, minecraft, dota 2, and dayZ Standalone when every it comes out but who knows when that will be, right?... (dayZ players joke) Just want some feed back as all, thanks! :D

[TechFan@ic]

Get an AMD A8 3870K or A6 3670K, those have Phenom cores, which are significantly better than the piledriver cores in the 5000 & 6000 series of APUs.
Just disable the onboard graphics yourself & you should get higher overclocks out of the CPU.
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B006J420T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373781806&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+apu+3670k

[91wow]

Get an AMD A8 3870K or 3670K, those have Phenom cores, which are significantly better than the piledriver cores in the 5000 & 6000 series of APUs.

Just disable the onboard graphics yourself & you should get higher overclocks out of the CPU.

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B006J420T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373781806&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+apu+3670k

I'd rather stay on Fm2 just encase I want to upgrade to a 6800K later on down the road. I also heard that Bulldozer cores over clock better than Phenom cores by quite a bit more. Also a completely different architecture is in most cases better for temps and over clocks and all around performance. 

[naca1227]

*cough* duncan33303 *cough*

[TechFan@ic]

I'd rather stay on Fm2 just encase I want to upgrade to a 6800K later on down the road. I also heard that Bulldozer cores over clock better than Phenom cores by quite a bit more. Also a completely different architecture is in most cases better for temps and over clocks and all around performance. 

An overclocked 6800K is slower than an overclocked 3870K, Kaveri will be FM2+ compatible only.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61510-amd-richland-review-a10-6800k-a10-6700-benchmarked-23.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/50952-amd-a8-3870k-unlocked-llano-apu-review-7.html

The only benefit to the piledriver based APUs is that they have better graphics, but you're going to use a 7770 so a more powerful CPU is what's going to be beneficial.

[91wow]

*cough* duncan33303 *cough*

I saw his video today lol but I am not making my decision of his video I'd rather have some more informed people get involved in this.

[naca1227]

I saw his video today lol but I am not making my decision of his video I'd rather have some more informed people get involved in this.

Yeah, the 7770 should be good enough for now

[91wow]

An overclocked 6800K is slower than an overclocked 3870K, Kaveri will be FM2+ compatible only.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61510-amd-richland-review-a10-6800k-a10-6700-benchmarked-23.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/50952-amd-a8-3870k-unlocked-llano-apu-review-7.html

The only benefit to the piledriver based APUs is that they have better graphics, but you're going to use a 7770 so a more powerful CPU is what's going to be beneficial.

Is it possible to get gaming based results, I never base a buy of synthetics on anything other than SSD'S and RAM lol. I don't care about rendering, recording, ect... And if the Pehnom cores are so good why not get a 975BE and unlock it a 6 core then OC it?

[TechFan@ic]

Is it possible to get gaming based results, I never base a buy of synthetics on anything other than SSD'S and RAM lol. I don't care about rendering, recording, ect... And if the Pehnom cores are so good why not get a 975BE and unlock it a 6 core then OC it?

Because 975BE CPUs have been discontinued, you also can't unlock a 975BE, those are based on the quadcore die, you can only unlock 960T CPUs which are based on the 6 core die.

Gaming benchmarks are going to be identical to a phenom quad core for the 3870K & an FX 4300 for the 750K/5800K/6800k.

[91wow]

Yeah, the 7770 should be good enough for now

Yeah, the 7770 preforms pretty well in arma 2, about 40-50FPS if you make the game optimized well enough, crossifre sucks tho

[TechFan@ic]

Also by going with a 3670K you can spend more money on the GPU & perhaps get a 7790 or a 7850.

 

[91wow]

Because 975BE have been discontinued, you also can't unlock a 975BE, those are based off the quadcore die, you can only unlock 960T CPUs which are based on the 6 core die.

Gaming benchmakrs are going to identical to a phenom quad core for the 3870K & an FX 4300 for the 750K/5800K/6800k.

Why not one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 ?

I know Logan used to recommend this thing to death and back for it's OCing potential I mean I got one to 4.6 on a noctua cooler before. 

[91wow]

Also by going with a 3670K you can spend more money on the GPU & perhaps get a 7790 or a 7850.

 

I was thinking about sticking with the 7770 till 680's drop in price and then buying a 4GB FTW 680 or 670 just so I can have a good GPU to with cuda support, a 7770 is a "Just in the mean time" GPU till December.

[TechFan@ic]

Why not one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 ?

I know Logan used to recommend this thing to death and back for it's OCing potential I mean I got one to 4.6 on a noctua cooler before. 

I would definitely recommend one of those over the 750K & the 3870K.

[PCBudgetSolutions]

Get an AMD A8 3870K or A6 3670K, those have Phenom cores, which are significantly better than the piledriver cores in the 5000 & 6000 series of APUs.

Just disable the onboard graphics yourself & you should get higher overclocks out of the CPU.

http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B006J420T0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373781806&sr=8-1&keywords=amd+apu+3670k

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-6.html

 

 

 

Even an A8 gets beatened by the cheaper G860.  Even in the overclocking area it still loses in most games.  Would only get a pile driver CPU as the APU stand alones just aren't good enough.

[PCBudgetSolutions]

Why not one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 ?

I know Logan used to recommend this thing to death and back for it's OCing potential I mean I got one to 4.6 on a noctua cooler before. 

I would tend to agree.  If you overclock it, it can match an FX-4300/I3-3220, but at that price range he can afford an FX-4300.

[91wow]

I would tend to agree.  If you overclock it, it can match an FX-4300/I3-3220, but at that price range he can afford an FX-4300.

My C2Q at 3.5 out does a ivy bridge I3... lol

[TechFan@ic]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-6.html

 

Even an A8 gets beatened by the cheaper G860.  Even in the overclocking area it still loses in most games.  Would only get a pile driver CPU as the APU stand alones just aren't good enough.

You only get 2 cores with the G860 & you get 4 full fledged cores with the 3870K/965BE , both are also unlocked so single threaded workloads are the exception, in every other game a quad core will outperform the G860.

[PCBudgetSolutions]

My C2Q at 3.5 out does a ivy bridge I3... lol

I would like to see that.  Unless you have an extreme edition CPU, the DDR2 ram, lower IPC's older architecture design, single threaded performance, and higher pipeline count with higher cache latency, I just cannot see it.  I ran a QX6800 CPU and it was on par with a Pentium G860 CPU with DDR2 800MHz ram.

[TechFan@ic]

I would tend to agree.  If you overclock it, it can match an FX-4300/I3-3220, but at that price range he can afford an FX-4300.

No, when you overclock a 965 Black Edition it destroys an FX 4300.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review-15.html

[91wow]

I would like to see that.  Unless you have an extreme edition CPU, the DDR2 ram, lower IPC's older architecture design, single threaded performance, and higher pipeline count with higher cache latency, I just cannot see it.  I ran a QX6800 CPU and it was on par with a Pentium G860 CPU with DDR2 800MHz ram.

I have DDR3 1333 ram on my C2Q 790I SLI MOBO on a Q9650

 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=677

[PCBudgetSolutions]

You only get 2 cores with the G860 & you get 4 full fledged cores with the 3870K/965BE , both are also unlocked so single threaded workloads are the exception, in every other game a quad core will outperform the G860.

This is where EVERYONE makes the mistakes.  If you have a graphics card capable enough IE HD 7950+.GTX 770+ then yes games will see a benefit with a less advanced architecture but more cores.  But you need the graphics horse power to enable yourself to use more cores.  An HD 7770GHz edition cannot do this and you will see BETTER performance with a G860.  

 

See as you increase settings things require more processing and graphical power to run.  However 4 poorly designed cores really want out perform 2 strong cores such as the Sandy Bridge design unless it can offload a large portion of the work onto a strong GPU.  That's why in Crysis 3 for example a G860 can match a Phenom II x4 980 easily until you get to around a GTX 760/7870XT level then extra cores can help despite the cores not being nearly as advanced in the way they process info IE IPC's/pipelines.

[TechFan@ic]

This is where EVERYONE makes the mistakes.  If you have a graphics card capable enough IE HD 7950+.GTX 770+ then yes games will see a benefit with a less advanced architecture but more cores.  But you need the graphics horse power to enable yourself to use more cores.  An HD 7770GHz edition cannot do this and you will see BETTER performance with a G860.  

 

See as you increase settings things require more processing and graphical power to run.  However 4 poorly designed cores really want out perform 2 strong cores such as the Sandy Bridge design unless it can offload a large portion of the work onto a strong GPU.  That's why in Crysis 3 for example a G860 can match a Phenom II x4 980 easily until you get to around a GTX 760/7870XT level then extra cores can help despite the cores not being nearly as advanced in the way they process info IE IPC's/pipelines.

Do you have any proof of this ? CPU utilization can vary depending on the game settings, however threading never does, because it's not a variable, if an engine can use 4 cores it will use all of them even if utilization is low.

[PCBudgetSolutions]

No, when you overclock a 965 Black Edition it destroys an FX 4300.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/57615-amd-vishera-fx-6300-fx-4300-review-15.html

As I was talking with Slick the other day about benchmarking.  That's why he got away from that and here is a good example why benchmark tests rather than real world FPS tests matter much more.  My Nvidia Geforce 7950 Gx2 which is still a capable DX9 card has effective memory bandwidth of about 80gbps on par with a GTX 650.  But it got DESTROYED by an HD 3450 256mb GDDR2 vs a dual 512MB GDDR3 card in 3DMark 13.  Also you're comparing a stock FX-4300 to an OC'ed Phenom.

[TechFan@ic]

Also you're comparing a stock FX-4300 to an OC'ed Phenom.

Was pointing out your error in saying that an overclocked phenom can "match" an FX 4300, no it handily outperforms it, when both are overclocked you get the same result, the phenom still outperforms it, I provided links in the beginning of this thread, where a 3870K was OCed to 3.6Ghz & outperformed a 6800K (piledriver quad core) overclocked to 5GHz.

I can confirm these results because I did similar tests with a quad core piledriver & a quadcore phenom, the phenom always wins when both are overclocked.