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Please Read the Entire Thread to understand the direction of the thread.

 


 

 


CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($97.16 @ Amazon) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($124.99 @ Newegg) 



Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 

Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($65.88 @ OutletPC) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.98 @ OutletPC) 


Total: $829.96

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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Before I move to the build, I would like to say that AMD and Intel are both great companies that focus on different types of processors. This thread should not be "Intel is better than AMD" or vice versa.

 

The point of this thread is to discuss my build with strong thoughtful suggestions backed up with reasoning.

 

The purpose of this build is for school and to play games that are generally not graphically intensive such as CS:GO, LoL, DFO, and etc. 

 

Although I list it as a "gaming pc", its primary use is to get me through graduate school during my PharmD or Dental school where 3D rendering programs are used.

 

I've posted in my 2 previous threads about this build and had some suggestions that were somewhat valid.

 

One suggestion was to upgrade the 270x to a 280 and overclock it closer to the 280x speed.

 

Another suggestion was to upgrade the 8320 to a 8350 to increase the usage of the computer.

 

From my old build, I took out the hyper 212 due to the high temperatures where I live. I think the 212 is a great air cooler for the CPU but the (environment) temperatures are usually around 85-95 Celcius. This is why I opted for a Corsair H100i over an after market air cooler.

 

To me, longevity of the system is more important than the performance of the system.

 

The estimated price for this build will be around 880$ including tax. I will have only about 50-60$ to upgrade the current GPU or CPU.

I think adding a 120gb SSD will be the best upgrade out of everything else.

 

Let me know what you guys think. 

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The NH-D15 is one of the best air coolers on sale today, it directly competes with the X61 and the H100i

 
CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($142.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($93.35 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($82.86 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($65.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280X 3GB IceQ X² Video Card  ($229.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ NCIX US) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($102.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $791.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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drop the h100i and get a better gpu imo.

get 2 good fans on your 212, and you should be ok even if its hot where you live.

Push and Pull configuration on the 212? 

I wonder if that will keep the temperatures around 55 Celsius because I normally have the computer on for 7-8 hours a day. 

 

 

The NH-D15 is one of the best air coolers on sale today, it directly competes with the X61 and the H100i

 
CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor  ($142.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($93.35 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($82.86 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Mushkin Stealth 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($65.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280X 3GB IceQ X² Video Card  ($229.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ NCIX US) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($102.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $791.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Why get an air cooler for that price when you can get a watercooler at that same price point?

I've been reading some driver issues with the 280 and 280x HIS version of the card. I'm not sure if I should pick it up.

 

If I do, I would rather pick up the HIS 280 over the 280x.

 

I plan to overclock the CPU to at least 4.0-4.3 range while maintaining no higher than 55 Celcius in temperature. Initially, I did pick out a 970 board but it is inefficient with windows 8+ and overclocking the octa cores CPU in the Fx- series (what I read/was told).

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 Why get an air cooler for that price when you can get a watercooler at that same price point?

I've been reading some driver issues with the 280 and 280x HIS version of the card. I'm not sure if I should pick it up.

 

If I do, I would rather pick up the HIS 280 over the 280x.

 

I plan to overclock the CPU to at least 4.0-4.3 range while maintaining no higher than 55 Celcius in temperature. Initially, I did pick out a 970 board but it is inefficient with windows 8+ and overclocking the octa cores CPU in the Fx- series (what I read/was told).

Those watercooler your talking about are AIO, if you wanted the best one the H220X.

Have you seen benchmarks on the NH-D15?

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Why are you downgrading a GPU, the thing is this 270>270X>280>280X>290>290X If your concerned about this HIS version, then get a Gigabyte or Asus R9 280X instead

the E version consumes less power and has a lower tdp than a normal fx cpu.

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Those watercooler your talking about are AIO, if you wanted the best one the H220X.

Have you seen benchmarks on the NH-D15?

 

 

 

Why are you downgrading a GPU, the thing is this 270>270X>280>280X>290>290X If your concerned about this HIS version, then get a Gigabyte or Asus R9 280X instead

the E version consumes less power and has a lower tdp than a normal fx cpu.

Hmmmm... The NH-D15 is interesting.

I'm considering it as a possible choice.

 

The reason for downgrading the GPU is because longevity and saving money is more important to me. I will not be hardcore gaming within the next few years. Instead, it will be used primarily as a 3D rendering PC for graduate years and light gaming. 

 

I would rather save money and put that into good food, clothes, and dates with a girl  :D .

 

I think I will go with a 280 and take out the HDD for now. I will need the SSD for OS installation.

 

This is my build now: My only concern is how balanced it is... I read around that 600W PSU should be a minimum for a 280 or higher. Maybe I should opt for a 700 PSU to ensure that my components won't blow.

Current Build Choices:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Corsair Force LS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $674.92
 
Base Total: $796.91
 
I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially. I will only have about 900$ to spend on a build thats about 800$ without tax. 
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Hmmmm... The NH-D15 is interesting.

I'm considering it as a possible choice.

 

The reason for downgrading the GPU is because longevity and saving money is more important to me. I will not be hardcore gaming within the next few years. Instead, it will be used primarily as a 3D rendering PC for graduate years and light gaming. 

 

I would rather save money and put that into good food, clothes, and dates with a girl  :D .

 

I think I will go with a 280 and take out the HDD for now. I will need the SSD for OS installation.

 

This is my build now: My only concern is how balanced it is... I read around that 600W PSU should be a minimum for a 280 or higher. Maybe I should opt for a 700 PSU to ensure that my components won't blow.

Current Build Choices:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Corsair Force LS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $674.92
 
Base Total: $796.91
 
I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially. I will only have about 900$ to spend on a build thats about 800$ without tax. 

 

the gigabyte board has a higher power phase than the asus one, power phase is important for OC Gigabyte 8+2 Asus 6+2

 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $677.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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the gigabyte board has a higher power phase than the asus one, power phase is important for OC Gigabyte 8+2 Asus 6+2

 
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($74.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($68.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $677.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Ah, the power phase. I'm actually glad you brought that up lol.

It was one of the things I was thinking about when picking out the mobo. 

 

Should I go for the 990FX gigabyte Motherboard with the 8+2 power phase over the Asus' 990FX?

 

I can get a really good deal with the 990FX gigabyte with 8320 bundle at microcenter. The only problem is that I've heard and seen too many DoA and faulty problems with the components on the Gigabyte's 990FX UD3 mobo. May be I should take the comments with a grain of salt.  :huh:

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Before I move to the build, I would like to say that AMD and Intel are both great companies that focus on different types of processors. This thread should not be "Intel is better than AMD" or vice versa.
 
The point of this thread is to discuss my build with strong thoughtful suggestions backed up with reasoning.
 
The purpose of this build is for school and to play games that are generally not graphically intensive such as CS:GO, LoL, DFO, and etc. 
 
Although I list it as a "gaming pc", its primary use is to get me through graduate school during my PharmD or Dental school where 3D rendering programs are used.
 
I've posted in my 2 previous threads about this build and had some suggestions that were somewhat valid.
 
One suggestion was to upgrade the 270x to a 280 and overclock it closer to the 280x speed.
 
Another suggestion was to upgrade the 8320 to a 8350 to increase the usage of the computer.
 
From my old build, I took out the hyper 212 due to the high temperatures where I live. I think the 212 is a great air cooler for the CPU but the (environment) temperatures are usually around 85-95 Celcius. This is why I opted for a Corsair H100i over an after market air cooler.
 
To me, longevity of the system is more important than the performance of the system.
 
The estimated price for this build will be around 880$ including tax. I will have only about 50-60$ to upgrade the current GPU or CPU.
I think adding a 120gb SSD will be the best upgrade out of everything else.
 
Let me know what you guys think. 

 

 

 

Okay I agree with you about the fx-8320 and its capabilities.

 

But just so you know, from a non-bias enthusiast, I would go z97, even if you are stuck with the $70 Pentium G3258 for a while.

 

The reason for this is as follows:

  • The AM3+ socket is showing its age and once it is time for you to upgrade you will have end up spending more money.
  • The z97 chipset has support through 2015 due to the weird spot in intel's timeline.
  • z97 will support "Broadwell" which will be Intel's next installment to its mainstream PC desktop processor lineup
  • If you live near a microcenter there is no reason not to go with z97, due to in-store pickup for a i5-4690k is $199 (Amazon Price: $229) which will perform just a bit better than the FX-8320, plus the i7-4790k is $279 (Amazon price: $335) at microcenter
  •   z97 is more power efficient than the 8320 with the 4690k and 4790k having a TDP of 88w, the 8320 has a TDP of 125w

 

You expressed longevity was something you wanted, and if you want something with some life to it, and an upgrade path. Z97 is the way to go.

 

If you are content with saving $70-90 on the 8320 ($139) in comparison to a 4690k($229) and being stuck with it without the upgrade path, and without the advanced features that are apparent with a z97 based board to a am3+ board, then go for it.

 

May the PC gods be with you.

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Okay I agree with you about the fx-8320 and its capabilities.

 

But just so you know, from a non-bias enthusiast, I would go z97, even if you are stuck with the $70 Pentium G3258 for a while.

 

The reason for this is as follows:

  • The AM3+ socket is showing its age and once it is time for you to upgrade you will have end up spending more money.
  • The z97 chipset has support through 2015 due to the weird spot in intel's timeline.
  • z97 will support "Broadwell" which will be Intel's next installment to its mainstream PC desktop processor lineup
  • If you live near a microcenter there is no reason not to go with z97, due to in-store pickup for a i5-4690k is $199 (Amazon Price: $229) which will perform just a bit better than the FX-8320, plus the i7-4790k is $279 (Amazon price: $335) at microcenter
  •   z97 is more power efficient than the 8320 with the 4690k and 4790k having a TDP of 88w, the 8320 has a TDP of 125w

 

You expressed longevity was something you wanted, and if you want something with some life to it, and an upgrade path. Z97 is the way to go.

 

If you are content with saving $70-90 on the 8320 ($139) in comparison to a 4690k($229) and being stuck with it without the upgrade path, and without the advanced features that are apparent with a z97 based board to a am3+ board, then go for it.

 

May the PC gods be with you.

 

Very good argument.

 

I've had the same debate with some friends, and I can see their point.

 

Yes, without a doubt, going Intel with a Z97 board is going to increase the amount of usage of the computer due to the upgrades in the future.

 

However, this PC will last me for the next 3-4 years max. I believe that the 8320 will last for that long. Within those years, I will not be able to upgrade any components because I will accrue a large amount of debt due to graduate school. 

 

PharmD or Dental School, will be at least $200,000 dollars with no subsidized loan. Interest builds up and I have no time to think about upgrading the PC.

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Very good argument.

 

I've had the same debate with some friends, and I can see their point.

 

Yes, without a doubt, going Intel with a Z97 board is going to increase the amount of usage of the computer due to the upgrades in the future.

 

However, this PC will last me for the next 3-4 years max. I believe that the 8320 will last for that long. Within those years, I will not be able to upgrade any components because I will accrue a large amount of debt due to graduate school. 

 

PharmD or Dental School, will be at least $200,000 dollars with no subsidized loan. Interest builds up and I have no time to think about upgrading the PC.

 

Yes the PC will last 3-4 years without a doubt with a 8320. But IMO, the 4690k performs better, and the 8320 is already ageing heavily. What I am concerned about is that the next AMD CPU's will come out early next year and the board features that the z97 chipset already has will be present on it and you will have brand new 2012 hardware with no where to go, which as an enthusiast (generally sucks emotionally :P)and some minimum requirements of a certain game (for example) from 2016 will hold you back, (doubtful though) Plus M.2 will become a thing by 2016-17 which means faster storage speeds. 

 

It is well known(not as known as I wish however) that Intel Cores VS AMD cores are not Directly comparable, just because the 8320 has 8-Cores, doesn't mean it will perform better than the i5, even in multi-threaded applications now or down the road.

 

But if the $80 savings will be worth it for a period of 4 years, then go for it. But i am pretty sure the "future you" will be wishing you spent the extra $80 dollars for the i5-4690k or the extra $170 dollars for the 4790k.

 

Just my opinion. Good Luck

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Those watercooler your talking about are AIO, if you wanted the best one the H220X.

Have you seen benchmarks on the NH-D15?

temp-idle.jpg

temp-load.jpg

Why are you downgrading a GPU, the thing is this 270>270X>280>280X>290>290X If your concerned about this HIS version, then get a Gigabyte or Asus R9 280X instead

the E version consumes less power and has a lower tdp than a normal fx cpu.

 

Interesting benchmarks. But comparing performance of a cooler on an i7-3770K oc'd to 4.6GHz @ 1.30V does not mean that the cooler will have the same performance with an FX-8320 at whatever speed/voltage the OP will be using. CPU coolers have very difference relative performance depending on the actual configuration (# of fans) and on the load they are cooling. For example an H105 is generally better than the NH-D15 at higher loads but not as good at lower loads.

 

The NH-D15 cooler is excellent. However, unless the OP intends to push overclocking I think a Hyper 212 EVO would be a better choice. The savings might allow for a better gpu.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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Interesting benchmarks. But comparing performance of a cooler on an i7-3770K oc'd to 4.6GHz @ 1.30V does not mean that the cooler will have the same performance with an FX-8320 at whatever speed/voltage the OP will be using. CPU coolers have very difference relative performance depending on the actual configuration (# of fans) and on the load they are cooling. For example an H105 is generally better than the NH-D15 at higher loads but not as good at lower loads.

 

The NH-D15 cooler is excellent. However, unless the OP intends to push overclocking I think a Hyper 212 EVO would be a better choice. The savings might allow for a better gpu.

then see this

http://www.dvtests.com/noctua-nh-d15-test-and-review/

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Please Read the Entire Thread to understand the direction of the thread.

 

 

Let me know what you guys think.

 

The Asrock killer motherboard is actually newer and has more features.

 

Went with the cheaper yet still perfectly adequate Seidon 240m

 

Fit an SSD in to the budget

 

All from Newegg

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($82.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Kingston Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($75.98 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($163.98 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $877.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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The Asrock killer motherboard is actually newer and has more features.

 

Went with the cheaper yet still perfectly adequate Seidon 240m

 

Fit an SSD in to the budget

 

All from Newegg

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($82.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Kingston Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($75.98 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($163.98 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $877.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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I hate to be snooby but you haven't read the entire thread.

 

Base total for your build : $957.87

 

My updated build is much cheaper and in my opinion better.

 

Current Build Choices:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.99 @ Micro Center) 
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Corsair Force LS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Total: $674.92
 
Base Total: $796.91
 
I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially. I will only have about 900$ to spend on a build thats about 800$ without tax.
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I may have it!

 

 
CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: MSI 970 GAMING ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Team Elite 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($33.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Team Elite 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory  ($33.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: PNY XLR8 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($94.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($169.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $787.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 01:33 EDT-0400
 
Most of the guys previously have chosen one or more of my choices. That Seidon for $70, that's a deal. That PSU for $70? Deal! Combo'd processor and gpu for more savings.
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...I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially. I will only have about 900$ to spend on a build thats about 800$ without tax.

 

 

Is mine acceptable to your wallet?

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I hate to be snooby but you haven't read the entire thread.

 

Base total for your build : $957.87

 

My updated build is much cheaper and in my opinion better.

 

Current Build Choices:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

 

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($129.99) 

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($28.99 @ Micro Center) 

Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($104.99 @ Newegg) 

Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  ($79.99 @ B&H) 

Storage: Corsair Force LS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($156.00 @ Newegg) 

Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($29.99 @ Newegg) 

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 

Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 

Total: $674.92

 

Base Total: $796.91

 

I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially. I will only have about 900$ to spend on a build thats about 800$ without tax.

No the base total is not accurate.  For one thing it doesn't take in to account promotional (aka instant discounts).  The base also does not include shipping.  To get the most accurate number take the total and subtract the rebates.

 

I'm not a fan of the psu or the ssd.  

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($134.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($186.00 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $865.92

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

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No the base total is not accurate.  For one thing it doesn't take in to account promotional (aka instant discounts).  The base also does not include shipping.  To get the most accurate number take the total and subtract the rebates.

 

I'm not a fan of the psu or the ssd.  

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($34.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($134.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($186.00 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($49.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $865.92

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 19:21 EDT-0400

This is so wrong.....

 

You have to buy the parts first before you get the rebate. This is why the base total is more indicative of what you have to pay initially.

 

Let me fully type it out for you.

 

I have $900 to buy the parts.

 

Your first build's base total is $957 dollars without tax (this is not including rebates or discounts). What does this mean? I have to pay about $980-1,050 including tax and promotional discounts before I can factor in the rebates. After you mail them the information, rebates normally take three weeks to receive money.

 

This is why I said I have $900 to spend however I can only spend up to about $800 on the core parts because I need head room for the tax. After I get the rebate, I'll add things such as the 1 TB HDD and etc.

 

 

Please read carefully when I meant:

 

"I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially......." 

Initially does not mean overall cost with the rebates.

 

Due to the cost, I took out the HDD from my first build and updated my build with another post in the thread. For this reason, I stress the idea of reading the entire thread (not only my first post) before giving suggestions.

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This is so wrong.....

 

You have to buy the parts first before you get the rebate. This is why the base total is more indicative of what you have to pay initially.

 

Let me fully type it out for you.

 

I have $900 to buy the parts.

 

Your first build's base total is $957 dollars without tax (this is not including rebates or discounts). What does this mean? I have to pay about $980-1,050 including tax and promotional discounts before I can factor in the rebates. After you mail them the information, rebates normally take three weeks to receive money.

 

This is why I said I have $900 to spend however I can only spend up to about $800 on the core parts because I need head room for the tax. After I get the rebate, I'll add things such as the 1 TB HDD and etc.

 

 

Please read carefully when I meant:

 

"I consider rebate total as an "extra". The base total is more indicative of what I have to pay initially......." 

Initially does not mean overall cost with the rebates.

 

Due to the cost, I took out the HDD from my first build and updated my build with another post in the thread. For this reason, I stress the idea of reading the entire thread (not only my first post) before giving suggestions.

Sigh... yes I read that and that.

 

Here is what you should do:

 

Base Total - Promo Discounts - Combo + Shipping = Total (note no rebates were listed)

 

This is my last build where the total is accurate because there are no rebates.  Subtract the cost of the 1tb hard drive and you get $796.91 which is in your budget.

 

Base Total: $889.91

Promo Discounts: -$10.00

Combo Discounts: -$25.00

Shipping: $1.99

Total: $856.90

 

That is more accurate.  Like I said Promo Codes and Combo discounts are instant which meant you don't pay that.

 

Also from when I posted my first build and when you saw it there must have been a price variance like a promo that disappeared or something.  If you look at the total when I posted and then the total now there is a large discrepancy.  I do make sure that when I post a build it meats the budget. 

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Sigh... yes I read that and that.

 

Here is what you should do:

 

Base Total - Promo Discounts - Combo + Shipping = Total (note no rebates were listed)

 

This is my last build where the total is accurate because there are no rebates.  Subtract the cost of the 1tb hard drive and you get $796.91 which is in your budget.

 

Base Total: $889.91

Promo Discounts: -$10.00

Combo Discounts: -$25.00

Shipping: $1.99

Total: $856.90

 

That is more accurate.  Like I said Promo Codes and Combo discounts are instant which meant you don't pay that.

 

Also from when I posted my first build and when you saw it there must have been a price variance like a promo that disappeared or something.  If you look at the total when I posted and then the total now there is a large discrepancy.  I do make sure that when I post a build it meats the budget. 

 

I never said promo codes and discounts aren't a factor. I said that shipping and discounts generally balance each other out to a net of zero. Why?

 

Depending on your third party retailer, the price of shipping is subjective. Not every vendor will give out free shipping.

 

Let's say on your latest build: You have 35$ in promo and combo discount. You think $1.99 is accurate of shipping cost? Absolutely not unless you buy everything from retailers such as Newegg. Therefore, those discount will most likely go towards shipping cost.

 

Secondly, look at your first build vs your latest build. They are completely different in build. There isn't a "discrepancy" with pricing due to discounts or promo that disappeared. Your build is evident of being more expensive because you didn't read the entire thread before posting the first build.

 

First build:

 

More expensive (CM Seidon) cooler,  (DDR3 1866) RAM, (Asrock 990 Killer) Mobo, and (Rosewill 750) PSU. The CPU is priced differently from what I listed but that's fine.

 

I do not want to sound like an asshole but you didn't read carefully. I did factor in the promo cost and discount however that factor net zero due to the possibility of shipping cost.

Once more I will say it: I have 900$ to spend however I will only spend up to $800 for the core parts because of tax.

 

Regardless of vendor, promo discount, shipping cost, and etc, there is tax that I calculate into the cost which I've mentioned in my previous post.

 

Your latest build: $856.90 + (tax 8%) = $925.45

 

Before I go, take note that my initial argument was with the very first build you posted not the latest one.  :huh:

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Regardless of vendor, promo discount, shipping cost, and etc, there is tax that I calculate into the cost which I've mentioned in my previous post.

 

Your latest build: $856.90 + (tax 8%) = $925.45

 

Before I go, take note that my initial argument was with the very first build you posted not the latest one.  :huh:

The total price listed in the bbcode I copied and pasted on my first build was "$877.89" the total on PcPP is now "$975.89" so yes there was a large price hike.

 

Also I set it to only use prices from Newegg.com so most of the shipping would be free as you don't have a case and unless you live in CA and NJ I don't think newegg.com charges taxes.

 

As to not reading the hole thread there was like only one reply when I started picking out parts and I had read it.  The only reason I wasting more time on this tread is because of the big change in price and your stipulation that base total is more accurate when it's not.  What your should have said is simply don't include rebates which is pretty easy to do with PcPP.  

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The total price listed in the bbcode I copied and pasted on my first build was "$877.89" the total on PcPP is now "$975.89" so yes there was a large price hike.

 

Also I set it to only use prices from Newegg.com so most of the shipping would be free as you don't have a case and unless you live in CA and NJ I don't think newegg.com charges taxes.

 

As to not reading the hole thread there was like only one reply when I started picking out parts and I had read it.  The only reason I wasting more time on this tread is because of the big change in price and your stipulation that base total is more accurate when it's not.  What your should have said is simply don't include rebates which is pretty easy to do with PcPP.  

 

I want to facepalm so hard......

 

The price you posted on the bbcode includes the rebates in the Total Amount: $877.89. That is the reason behind the $90-110 difference between the bbcode you posted and PPP.  :(

 

Your First Build:

 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($114.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($82.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Kingston Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($75.98 @ Newegg)

Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270X 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($163.98 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ Newegg)

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($99.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $877.89

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-13 01:11 EDT-0400

 
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The rebates are factored in as the promo discount. This is why the base total is more accurate.......
When I was referring to promotional or discounts that was on promo codes and combo discounts.
 
Note: There are no promo code discounts OR combo discounts. No discount disappeared otherwise the total now (859.87) including rebates wouldn't be lower than 877.89.
 
Now this is your second build:
 
 
CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Killer ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($124.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card  ($169.99 @ Newegg) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit)  ($89.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $788.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-15 12:09 EDT-0400
 
This is the only time when you would factor in combo and promo code. However, this is irrelevant because the whole time I was talking about the FIRST build.
 
Now if you go back and actually read all of my previous post about your first build. I clearly stated that I was talking about your first build in nearly every single post.
 
Because I quoted your second build, you assumed I was talking about your second build and led to confusion. However, if you actually go back, there's a reason why I bolded the statement : To get the most accurate number take the total and subtract the rebates.
 
This is the statement I was arguing on your first build the entire time.
 
 
What you suggested me to do, was what I was doing this whole time. However, once more, this is irrelevant on the first build
Base Total - Promo Discounts - Combo + Shipping = Total (note no rebates were listed)
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