should i get a haswell

[tiltedsnowman]

im starting a new build so its not an issue of upgrading. i was planing on buying a i5-3570 Ivy Bridge and overclocking it. are the new haswell that much better? should i upgrade to the i7-4770k? is it worth the price?

 

 

[Godlygamer23]

Haswell consumes less power than IVB by a lot, but heat dissipation is worse than on IVB apparently. If power consumption isn't a big deal to you, just keep the 3570K. (I'm assuming it's a K model you're going for)

[BgG286]

If you were planning to get an i5 originally, then you should probably still get an i5. Whether you should go with Ivy-bridge or Haswell is entirely up to you, but you should wait until there are a lot of benchmarks out. I would personally wait to see how well they overclock, and how much benefit can be had from that.

[EpicFruit]

The benchmarks so far haven't shown very much performance benefit over Ivy bridge. If you're looking for performance, the 3770k would be just as good in most scenarios I presume.

[ericlee30]

Yes, if you have a system that is older then Ivy-Bridge and you want to upgrade, I would say that is a excellent choice to do so. Going from Ivy-Bridge to Haswell is not worth the price tag of Haswell as there is very minimal difference between the 2 chips, only the Z87 motherboards are the biggest improvement to Haswell, (Such as more features)

 

 

Hope this helped you

 

ericlee30

~Intel Response Squad~

[Mac69]

if its going to work out as the same price go haswell. save a little bit on the power bill. but other wise no. theres no real performance differance

[Drogoth]

Remember that you'll have to buy a brand ''new'' MOBO for that Haswell chip, and they are not cheap. You can get similar performance (in games) with an unlocked Ivy Bridge chip + compatible MOBO. That way you save a lot of money and rather put it on your GPU or some fast Memory :)

 

Hope it was helpfull :D

[Scia]

Yes, if you have a system that is older then Ivy-Bridge and you want to upgrade, I would say that is a excellent choice to do so.

 

How is Haswell an upgrade from Sandy? Especially for gaming?

 

 

 

im starting a new build so its not an issue of upgrading. i was planing on buying a i5-3570 Ivy Bridge and overclocking it. are the new haswell that much better? should i upgrade to the i7-4770k? is it worth the price?

 

 

 

 

If you'd tell us about your budget and your intended usage [Gaming, editing, w/e], we'd have a much easier time helping you ;)

There's a ton of people on this forum who love building stuff on pcpartpicker tailored to your needs ^^

[Glenwing]

If you're not upgrading, there's no reason not to go Haswell really.  It's not like you gain anything going for Sandy and Ivy.  Even if the CPU performance isn't that much different, the better motherboards would be worth the slight increase in cost between the generations (it's like $20-30 I think?).  I didn't have a big favorite among Z77 boards to be honest.

[tiltedsnowman]

Haswell consumes less power than IVB by a lot, but heat dissipation is worse than on IVB apparently. If power consumption isn't a big deal to you, just keep the 3570K. (I'm assuming it's a K model you're going for)

yah i heard that they would be better for notebooks  and not as good for desktops. 

 

If you were planning to get an i5 originally, then you should probably still get an i5. Whether you should go with Ivy-bridge or Haswell is entirely up to you, but you should wait until there are a lot of benchmarks out. I would personally wait to see how well they overclock, and how much benefit can be had from that.

ok thanks for the help

 

The benchmarks so far haven't shown very much performance benefit over Ivy bridge. If you're looking for performance, the 3770k would be just as good in most scenarios I presume.

yah thats what i had been seeing so far on benchmarks. so should i stick with the ivy bridge i5-3570k or still upgrade?

 

Yes, if you have a system that is older then Ivy-Bridge and you want to upgrade, I would say that is a excellent choice to do so. Going from Ivy-Bridge to Haswell is not worth the price tag of Haswell as there is very minimal difference between the 2 chips, only the motherboards are the biggest improvement to Haswell, (Such as more features)

 

 

Hope this helped you

 

ericlee30

~Intel Response Squad~

ok so instead of going for the ivy bridge i5-3570k should i go for the haswell i5 4670k or perhaps the i7 4770 ? assuming it fits my budget is the extra cash worth it?

[tiltedsnowman]

 

If you'd tell us about your budget and your intended usage [Gaming, editing, w/e], we'd have a much easier time helping you ;)

There's a ton of people on this forum who love building stuff on pcpartpicker tailored to your needs ^^

 i intended to use it mainly for gaming 

[Scia]

ok so instead of going for the ivy bridge i5-3570k should i go for the haswell i5 4670k or perhaps the i7 4770 ? assuming it fits my budget is the extra cash worth it?

 

Well the extra performance is depending on what you plan to do with it, do you want to do heavy editing, gaming, or whatever.

And what is your budget? It really depends on how much you intend to spend on the system and what you are planing on doing with it.

Without that information it's really hard to give you a good answer ^^

And as far as overclocking goes, Haswells are insanely hot, so if you plan on heavy overclocking, you'll need very very good cooling to keep it running at high clocks.

[Scia]

 i intended to use it mainly for gaming 

And how much do you wish to spend for the PC in total? [excluding keyboard / monitors and other peripherals, just the tower.]

[tiltedsnowman]

And how much do you wish to spend for the PC in total? [excluding keyboard / monitors and other peripherals, just the tower.]

i have all peripherals and a 7970 and a psu so i would only be buying ram a mobo and a cpu and i could spend around $700 if need be but i would only spend that much if the performance increase is justifiable.

[ericlee30]

tiltedsnowman, on 02 Jun 2013 - 3:58 PM, said:

ok so instead of going for the ivy bridge i5-3570k should i go for the haswell i5 4670k or perhaps the i7 4770 ? assuming it fits my budget is the extra cash worth it?

If you do not have the 3570k already then yes it would be ok to upgrade, but if you have the 3570k , then it just is not worth the price to switch to Haswell.

P.S. I am saying if you have a Z77 chipset already then just stay with Ivy-Bridge. If you are thinking of upgrading the motherboard as well, then yes definitely go Haswell.

In gaming you will not see a big improvement with the with the 4770k, as most games do not utilize hyper threading, the big advantages of going with a 4770k, is if you do a lot of video editing, things with adobe programs, such as adobe CS6,and graphic designing, it also has a big advantage in benchmarking as well.

If none of what I have mentioned is something that you are not considering, I recommend the 4670k, as it is just as fast and snappy as the 4770k, minus Hyper threading, you will not see a real world performance difference when opening programs, starting Windows or web browsing.

 

ericlee30

 

~Intel Response Squad~

[Scia]

tiltedsnowman, on 02 Jun 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

i have all peripherals and a 7970 and a psu so i would only be buying ram a mobo and a cpu and i could spend around $700 if need be but i would only spend that much if the performance increase is justifiable.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12fgi

CFX Support, overclockable.

Not much point in an i7 for gaming.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/12fiK

AMD Version cheaper and about the same performance.

What you have to keep in mind with Haswell is that they get insanely hot when overclocking, so if you buy Haswell and wish to OC get a GOOD cooler, or your PC will catch on fire ^^

[tiltedsnowman]

What you have to keep in mind with Haswell is that they get insanely hot when overclocking, so if you buy Haswell and wish to OC get a GOOD cooler, or your PC will catch on fire ^^

i was going to buy  a Noctua heatsink and fans but i was planing to watercool the system in the future 

[Scia]

i was going to buy  a Noctua heatsink and fans but i was planing to watercool the system in the future 

 

Well the H100i is boiling with an overclocked 4770k [Check TTL review] and a NH-D14 will perform slightly better, but the CPU will still be really hot.

A custom waterloop will surely provide better temperatures but overall Haswell remains ridiculously hot.

[ericlee30]

i was going to buy  a Noctua heatsink and fans but i was planing to watercool the system in the future 

The Noctua heatsink will do very well with overclocking Ivy-Bridge or Haswell. 

 

 

In regards to "or your PC will catch on fire" that is not true, your rig will shut down before that ever happens. No matter what cpu color you use for overclocking "including the stock CPU cooler"

[Scia]

In regards to "or your PC will catch on fire" that is not true, your rig will shut down before that ever happens. No matter what cpu color you use for overclocking "including the stock CPU cooler"

 

I think he's not that stupid, and got that it was a figure of speech.

 

Upto 91°C at 4.6GHZ @ 1.180V set [1.2V CPU-Z] on a H100i, is seriously hot. [TTL's Haswell review]

[tiltedsnowman]

I think he's not that stupid, and got that it was a figure of speech.

 

Upto 91°C at 4.6GHZ @ 1.180V set [1.2V CPU-Z] on a H100i, is seriously hot. [TTL's Haswell review]

i havce been reading alot about the heat problems and that haswell is better for notebooks than desktops. since power isnt much of a problem for me i think im going to buy a i5 3570k  ivy-bridge, unless someone can convince me otherwise, it just seems the new haswells offer little performance increase

[Scia]

i havce been reading alot about the heat problems and that haswell is better for notebooks than desktops. since power isnt much of a problem for me i think im going to buy a i5 3570k  ivy-bridge, unless someone can convince me otherwise, it just seems the new haswells offer little performance increase

 

They don't offer any significant performance increase.

the z87 chipset has some more USB 3 ports, some more SATA3 ports but that's about it as far as improvements go.

 

But if you can live with the heat output, z87 has a few more features, up to you really.

[Glenwing]

Better motherboards.

[tiltedsnowman]

They don't offer any significant performance increase.

the z87 chipset has some more USB 3 ports, some more SATA3 ports but that's about it as far as improvements go.

 

But if you can live with the heat output, z87 has a few more features, up to you really.

 

Better motherboards.

so the only good improvement  is the mobos?

[Scia]

so the only good improvement  is the mobos?

 

Pretty much. Some more calculations per clock. But for gaming there actually isn't a significant difference.