Upgrading... to AM4

[Ruo94]

My 2700x is reaching the end of its life unfortunately. It's still "functional" but the moment the revit model or photoshop file size get too big, it's extremely laggy. Gaming experiences are alright but playing at 40-50 FPS in a shooter is not the most fun thing either. 

And with the current pricing of DDR5 Rams, I cant find myself dropping 1.5k just to upgrade 3 parts (Was initially looking for the 9800x3d)

I really just want to know y'all opinion / experiences with these chips, and maybe what are your experience buying 2nd hand CPU as well (FB Marketplace, ebay, etc).

 

My options are really based on what's available off the counter.

5700X: 240$

5800XT: 290$

5900X: 390$

5900XT: 400$

 

Why not 5---x3d? At least for now, it's not available off the counter. Other option is to check fb marketplace for a 2nd hand but so far no luck either. 

I'm leaning more towards the 5900X for the additional L3 cache and single core performance, which helps a lot for my work programs, but is it worth the extra 100$ vs the 5800XT? The cheapest option, 5700X, seems like a good chip for my needs as well. I'm planning to use this setup for maybe another 2-3 years before upgrading to AM5, or even wait until AM6 drops. 

 

Thanks y'all in advance!

 

Budget (including currency): ~300-400 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Revit, AutoCAD, most adobe stuff, V-Ray |  Battlefield 6, Baldurs Gate 2. Valorant

Current parts:

- MSI B450 Carbon Pro

- T-Force VulcanZ 2 x 16 GB DDR4-3600

- Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC

 

 

[YoungBlade]

The 5700X and 5800XT are going to be very similar. Since you have a B450 board, you can just turn on PBO and get the 5700X to give you within a few percent of the performance. So I would save the $50 if you go with that.

 

The 5900XT is actually a 16 core part, so that's a big performance jump from the 5900X. Definitely worth the $10 premium.

 

Since you do some multicore productivity work, I think you could justify the 5900XT. It's not going to be meaningfully better in most games compared to the 5700X, but it would be much faster in anything that can leverage 32 threads.

[Ha-Satan]

Of those, either get the 5700X (if you want a cheap option that will be a big improvement for gaming and OK at the other stuff) or the 5900XT, since it should be basically the same for gaming as the 5700X but quite a lot faster in any task that can seriously leverage all 16 cores (such as render performance in Premiere Pro or V-ray with the CPU).

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Ruo94 said:

My 2700x is reaching the end of its life unfortunately. It's still "functional" but the moment the revit model or photoshop file size get too big, it's extremely laggy. Gaming experiences are alright but playing at 40-50 FPS in a shooter is not the most fun thing either. 

And with the current pricing of DDR5 Rams, I cant find myself dropping 1.5k just to upgrade 3 parts (Was initially looking for the 9800x3d)

I really just want to know y'all opinion / experiences with these chips, and maybe what are your experience buying 2nd hand CPU as well (FB Marketplace, ebay, etc).

 

My options are really based on what's available off the counter.

5700X: 240$

5800XT: 290$

5900X: 390$

5900XT: 400$

 

Why not 5---x3d? At least for now, it's not available off the counter. Other option is to check fb marketplace for a 2nd hand but so far no luck either. 

I'm leaning more towards the 5900X for the additional L3 cache and single core performance, which helps a lot for my work programs, but is it worth the extra 100$ vs the 5800XT? The cheapest option, 5700X, seems like a good chip for my needs as well. I'm planning to use this setup for maybe another 2-3 years before upgrading to AM5, or even wait until AM6 drops. 

 

Thanks y'all in advance!

 

Budget (including currency): ~300-400 CAD

Country: Canada

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Revit, AutoCAD, most adobe stuff, V-Ray |  Battlefield 6, Baldurs Gate 2. Valorant

Current parts:

- MSI B450 Carbon Pro

- T-Force VulcanZ 2 x 16 GB DDR4-3600

- Gigabyte RTX 3070 Gaming OC

 

 

How much is the 5600/5600X?  Still an equally fast chip, just 6 cores instead of 8.

 

IMO< get a used 5x00X3D.  I would buy used CPUs all day ever day.  They are incredibly hard to break these days.

[Ha-Satan]

15 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

IMO< get a used 5x00X3D.  I would buy used CPUs all day ever day.  They are incredibly hard to break these days.

NGL my experience with PGA CPUs like the AM4 CPUs is that they are actually really easy to break by bending the pins, and yeah you can bend them back but they won't necessarily be stable after that. Maybe I'm just a klutz but it seems super easy to mess them up.

 

I'm really glad that AMD moved on to LGA for AM5.

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Ha-Satan said:

NGL my experience with PGA CPUs like the AM4 CPUs is that they are actually really easy to break by bending the pins, and yeah you can bend them back but they won't necessarily be stable after that. Maybe I'm just a klutz but it seems super easy to mess them up.

 

I'm really glad that AMD moved on to LGA for AM5.

yeh sorry, I meant like internally.  Buying a CPU that's just failed is rare.  Bent pins are a completely different issue.

[Ruo94]

1 hour ago, YoungBlade said:

The 5700X and 5800XT are going to be very similar. Since you have a B450 board, you can just turn on PBO and get the 5700X to give you within a few percent of the performance. So I would save the $50 if you go with that.

 

The 5900XT is actually a 16 core part, so that's a big performance jump from the 5900X. Definitely worth the $10 premium.

 

Since you do some multicore productivity work, I think you could justify the 5900XT. It's not going to be meaningfully better in most games compared to the 5700X, but it would be much faster in anything that can leverage 32 threads.

49 minutes ago, Ha-Satan said:

Of those, either get the 5700X (if you want a cheap option that will be a big improvement for gaming and OK at the other stuff) or the 5900XT, since it should be basically the same for gaming as the 5700X but quite a lot faster in any task that can seriously leverage all 16 cores (such as render performance in Premiere Pro or V-ray with the CPU).

 

I'm not doing as much rendering these days and both Revit and CAD are really more single core focused programs, thus why I'm leaning towards the 5900X. Where the 5900XT would be good for me is when my BIM models get waaaay to big. 

However, it seems that the 5900XT does seem to have more stocks over the 5900X. It'll really depends on the holiday sales as well. 

 

20 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

How much is the 5600/5600X?  Still an equally fast chip, just 6 cores instead of 8.

 

IMO< get a used 5x00X3D.  I would buy used CPUs all day ever day.  They are incredibly hard to break these days.

The 5600X is ~200$ here, which could be a budget option as well. But I've read online that the jump to 5700X give a much better performance for Revit and Photoshop (allegedly).

 

I will 100% try to get an used 5---X3D if given the chance. I've never really bought used PC parts on marketplace but I should trust ppl... right??

[YoungBlade]

2 minutes ago, Ruo94 said:

 

I'm not doing as much rendering these days and both Revit and CAD are really more single core focused programs, thus why I'm leaning towards the 5900X. Where the 5900XT would be good for me is when my BIM models get waaaay to big. 

However, it seems that the 5900XT does seem to have more stocks over the 5900X. It'll really depends on the holiday sales as well. 

Why would you choose the 5900X if it's only $10 cheaper? You're giving up 25% of the cores to save 2.5% of the cost.

 

Do you mean to say you're leaning towards the 5700X? Or is the 5900X not priced at $390 vs $400 for the 5900XT?

[Dedayog]

6 minutes ago, Ruo94 said:

 

I'm not doing as much rendering these days and both Revit and CAD are really more single core focused programs, thus why I'm leaning towards the 5900X. Where the 5900XT would be good for me is when my BIM models get waaaay to big. 

However, it seems that the 5900XT does seem to have more stocks over the 5900X. It'll really depends on the holiday sales as well. 

 

The 5600X is ~200$ here, which could be a budget option as well. But I've read online that the jump to 5700X give a much better performance for Revit and Photoshop (allegedly).

 

I will 100% try to get an used 5---X3D if given the chance. I've never really bought used PC parts on marketplace but I should trust ppl... right??

Does Revitt or Photoshop stall out with CPU usage or RAM usage though?

 

If single core is key, then almost all the 5xxx chips are good.  They all ramp up nicely.

[Ruo94]

6 hours ago, YoungBlade said:

Why would you choose the 5900X if it's only $10 cheaper? You're giving up 25% of the cores to save 2.5% of the cost.

 

Do you mean to say you're leaning towards the 5700X? Or is the 5900X not priced at $390 vs $400 for the 5900XT?

I could be wrong but doesn't the 5900XT have less single core clock speed than the 5900X? 12c vs 16c won't make much difference for what I'm looking for tbh. 

But then again, it'll all depends on what the stores carry around where I live. I know Memory Express don't carry the 5900X and Canada Computer don't carry the XT, so... I'll see.

 

6 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Does Revitt or Photoshop stall out with CPU usage or RAM usage though?

 

If single core is key, then almost all the 5xxx chips are good.  They all ramp up nicely.

Yeah it does once the model gets too big. I probably will be OCing either way. 

[YoungBlade]

1 hour ago, Ruo94 said:

I could be wrong but doesn't the 5900XT have less single core clock speed than the 5900X? 

No, they have the same single-core boost. Both are rated with a max boost of 4.8GHz.

 

The 5900XT has a lower rated base clock, because its all-core boost is lower to stay within the 142W power limit. But you can just turn on PBO to remove the power limit and thus give it a similar all-core boost frequency.