dGPU

[testcy]

What current dgpu, preferably PCIe 4.0 with HDMI and DisplayPort 2.1, do you recommend, for a new non-gaming build and a cpu without igpu?

[--SID--]

RX 6400/6500 XT is probably the cheapest. RTX 3050 6GB if you want nVidia.

[jaslion]

Whats the usecase? If its non gaming it may just be smartest to get an older used quadro or something.

 

Theres cheaper cards like the rx6400/6500 BUT they have NO MEDIA DECODING OR ENCODING AT ALL. Whic depending on what you do can be a major impact. Intels a fair option too here their budget arc carda are nice.

 

But yeah usecase and os would be needed.

 

Do you already have the system? If not maybe just specc it with a igpu cpu?

[Needfuldoer]

Are you buying all the other parts new, from scratch? If so, get a CPU with integrated graphics.

 

If you're reusing parts you already have, any Intel Arc card will be just fine. Even the little Arc A310 is more than it will ever need, and it supports hardware media encoding and decoding.

[testcy]

2 hours ago, --SID-- said:

RX 6400/6500 XT is probably the cheapest. RTX 3050 6GB if you want nVidia.

 

2 hours ago, jaslion said:

Whats the usecase? If its non gaming it may just be smartest to get an older used quadro or something.

 

Theres cheaper cards like the rx6400/6500 BUT they have NO MEDIA DECODING OR ENCODING AT ALL. Whic depending on what you do can be a major impact. Intels a fair option too here their budget arc carda are nice.

 

But yeah usecase and os would be needed.

 

Do you already have the system? If not maybe just specc it with a igpu cpu?

 

2 hours ago, Needfuldoer said:

Are you buying all the other parts new, from scratch? If so, get a CPU with integrated graphics.

 

If you're reusing parts you already have, any Intel Arc card will be just fine. Even the little Arc A310 is more than it will ever need, and it supports hardware media encoding and decoding.

RX 6400/6500 XT, RTX 3050 6GB and Intel Arc are not available. Buying used is difficult and risky. Hardware media encoding and decoding are needed. Because of DDR5 shortages, building a new system using a cpu with an igpu, is almost impossible. I could find AMD Ryzen 5 5600GT and AMD RYZEN 7 5700G, but I would then be stuck with PCIe 3.0 and DDR4. No 12th Gen Intel cpu with igpu is available.

[Needfuldoer]

49 minutes ago, testcy said:

Buying used is difficult and risky.

Not really for low-end hardware, especially if you're shopping in North America or Europe. Enthusiast GPUs get pushed hard and thrown on eBay as soon as the next generation is released. Bottom end stuff just plugs along forever.

 

What country are you shopping in?

 

49 minutes ago, testcy said:

Because of DDR5 shortages, building a new system using a cpu with an igpu, is almost impossible. I could find AMD Ryzen 5 5600GT and AMD RYZEN 7 5700G, but I would then be stuck with PCIe 3.0 and DDR4. No 12th Gen Intel cpu with igpu is available.

So? A 5600GT or 5700G is overkill for web browsing and homework.

 

That use case would be well served by an Optiplex or XPS prebuilt. You can save money on those by buying them from the Dell Outlet (which is run by Dell and the products there still come with a full warranty).

 

https://outlet.us.dell.com/

 

You can get one with a Core Ultra 5 235, 16 gigs of DDR5 5600, and a 512 GB NVMe SSD for under $700 US.

[jaslion]

50 minutes ago, testcy said:

 

 

RX 6400/6500 XT, RTX 3050 6GB and Intel Arc are not available. Buying used is difficult and risky. Hardware media encoding and decoding are needed. Because of DDR5 shortages, building a new system using a cpu with an igpu, is almost impossible. I could find AMD Ryzen 5 5600GT and AMD RYZEN 7 5700G, but I would then be stuck with PCIe 3.0 and DDR4. No 12th Gen Intel cpu with igpu is available.

Where are you buying from so we can help? Little point recommending anything if we dont even know what is available.

 

Also have you looked at a prebuilt? Sounds like its just a office pc so why not just get that

 

any reason buying used is risky? Nothing special would be bought here or expensive

 

Any reason pcie 3.0 even matters if this is a igpu pc?

 

 

[testcy]

14 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Where are you buying from so we can help? Little point recommending anything if we dont even know what is available.

 

Also have you looked at a prebuilt? Sounds like its just a office pc so why not just get that

 

any reason buying used is risky? Nothing special would be bought here or expensive

 

Any reason pcie 3.0 even matters if this is a igpu pc?

 

 

I am buying locally, so few choices.

Looked at open-box and ex-display prebuilts, but they are 5 to 10 years old and overpriced.

Risky because you never know what you are getting and anyway used market is small.

Wouldn't even on an igpu pc a PCIe 4.0 M.2 SDD perform better?

[jaslion]

16 hours ago, testcy said:

I am buying locally, so few choices.

Looked at open-box and ex-display prebuilts, but they are 5 to 10 years old and overpriced.

Risky because you never know what you are getting and anyway used market is small.

Wouldn't even on an igpu pc a PCIe 4.0 M.2 SDD perform better?

For a web browsing pc? No. You need to do EXTREMELY heavy tasks to start needing more than a sata ssd. Let alone a pcie 3.0 drive

[Ha-Satan]

Yeah, like for some context my daily driver at home is a laptop from 2013 with an i5-4200U, 8GB RAM, and a SATA SSD, running Mint XFCE. I use it for web browsing/email, basic programming and scripting, and server management. I can't remember a single time when I've been bottlenecked by the speed of the drive. I'm clearly limited by the RAM or CPU in some instances but never the SSD. For basic usage, the laptop is usually indistinguishable in snappiness from my gaming PC with a 5600 and a PCIe 3.0 SSD.

 

I also have a newer PC in my office at work with Windows 11, a 10700, 16GB RAM, and a SATA SSD. Once again, I'm bottlenecked by my CPU and RAM all the time with my workflow, but never the SSD.

 

Why do you feel like you need PCIe 4.0 for the GPU specifically? You could put a PCIe 3.0 GPU in a PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 system and that would not impact the storage speed. 

[testcy]

7 minutes ago, Ha-Satan said:

Yeah, like for some context my daily driver at home is a laptop from 2013 with an i5-4200U, 8GB RAM, and a SATA SSD, running Mint XFCE. I use it for web browsing/email, basic programming and scripting, and server management. I can't remember a single time when I've been bottlenecked by the speed of the drive. I'm clearly limited by the RAM or CPU in some instances but never the SSD. For basic usage, the laptop is usually indistinguishable in snappiness from my gaming PC with a 5600 and a PCIe 3.0 SSD.

 

I also have a newer PC in my office at work with Windows 11, a 10700, 16GB RAM, and a SATA SSD. Once again, I'm bottlenecked by my CPU and RAM all the time with my workflow, but never the SSD.

 

Why do you feel like you need PCIe 4.0 for the GPU specifically? You could put a PCIe 3.0 GPU in a PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 system and that would not impact the storage speed. 

I don't feel the need and I could that, but if buying a new GPU it will probably be PCIe 4.0 or 5.0.