Next upgrade path?

[FliP0x]

Budget (including currency): Not relevant

Country: Croatia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: MMORPGs, Multitasking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):
CPU: Ryzen 7 5900X, Mobo: B550 AORUS PRO V2, RAM: G. SKILL Trident Z RGB 4x8GB, GPU: RTX 4070, Case: NZXT H9 Flow, Monitors: UWQHD Main Display, 1080p Vertical Secondary Monitor

I saved up a bit of money and I'm considering what my next upgrade would be.

Upgrade my GPU to a RTX 5070 (Ti) or replace my 5900X with a 7900X3D including new Motherboard and RAM? I understand that replacing the CPU will be the more costly options, but I am curious to know, in terms of improvement, which option would make the most sense compared to my current setup.

 

 

[Millios]

1 minute ago, FliP0x said:

Budget (including currency): Not relevant

I saved up a bit of money and I'm considering what my next upgrade would be.

No its pretty relevant.

Anywho, do you still feel satsfied with how your PC performs? If yes then just no need to upgrade

2 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Upgrade my GPU to a RTX 5070 (Ti) or replace my 5900X with a 7900X3D including new Motherboard and RAM? I understand that replacing the CPU will be the more costly options, but I am curious to know, in terms of improvement, which option would make the most sense compared to my current setup.

Depends on what you play and wanna do

One downside you will 100% if you stick to AM4 is lack of PCIe 5 for graphics cards like the one you wanna upgrade to

 

I really see no reason you would need to upgrade but if you wanna go through with it for... whatever reason I'd get a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 depending on how prices are since they only downside would be loss of MFG which honestly kinda sucks visually still

[FliP0x]

36 minutes ago, Millios said:

No its pretty relevant.

Anywho, do you still feel satsfied with how your PC performs? If yes then just no need to upgrade
Depends on what you play and wanna do

Well, I'm prepared to spend up to 1000€ for the next upgrade, but upgrading either part shouldn't get me over the budget.

It does what I need it to do "ok", the games I play run fine, but with tradeoffs. I play very large scale PvP MMORPGs and in order to get constant framerates that I can work with I either need to sacrifice visuals a lot, or lower the resolution. Frame drops and stutters are also common in high action situations.

Overall, it runs fine, but it could run a lot better.

 

36 minutes ago, Millios said:

One downside you will 100% if you stick to AM4 is lack of PCIe 5 for graphics cards like the one you wanna upgrade to

 

I really see no reason you would need to upgrade but if you wanna go through with it for... whatever reason I'd get a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 depending on how prices are since they only downside would be loss of MFG which honestly kinda sucks visually still

The 5900X was a monster back in the day and mine is PBO overclocked and boosts stable to about 4.9, but at least for me it feels like its dated compared to modern titles and technologies.
Its either the CPU or the GPU, although the 4070 should still be relevant enough.

[Why_Me]

1 hour ago, FliP0x said:

Budget (including currency): Not relevant

Country: Croatia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: MMORPGs, Multitasking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):
CPU: Ryzen 7 5900X, Mobo: B550 AORUS PRO V2, RAM: G. SKILL Trident Z RGB 4x8GB, GPU: RTX 4070, Case: NZXT H9 Flow, Monitors: UWQHD Main Display, 1080p Vertical Secondary Monitor

I saved up a bit of money and I'm considering what my next upgrade would be.

Upgrade my GPU to a RTX 5070 (Ti) or replace my 5900X with a 7900X3D including new Motherboard and RAM? I understand that replacing the CPU will be the more costly options, but I am curious to know, in terms of improvement, which option would make the most sense compared to my current setup.
 

 

[Millios]

20 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Well, I'm prepared to spend up to 1000€ for the next upgrade, but upgrading either part shouldn't get me over the budget.

It does what I need it to do "ok", the games I play run fine, but with tradeoffs. I play very large scale PvP MMORPGs and in order to get constant framerates that I can work with I either need to sacrifice visuals a lot, or lower the resolution. Frame drops and stutters are also common in high action situations.

Overall, it runs fine, but it could run a lot better.

 

The 5900X was a monster back in the day and mine is PBO overclocked and boosts stable to about 4.9, but at least for me it feels like its dated compared to modern titles and technologies.
Its either the CPU or the GPU, although the 4070 should still be relevant enough.

Alrighty

Lets see what we can do

Unless you care about HEAVY Raytracing you can kinda forget about about the 5070 Ti imo and go with a 9070 XT unless they are very close in price as they are about 5% in difference at best on average

Would you mind checking the price on those and report so I and the rest of us can work with a lil less darkness on what your marketspace is like?

[FliP0x]

5 minutes ago, Millios said:

Alrighty

Lets see what we can do

Unless you care about HEAVY Raytracing you can kinda forget about about the 5070 Ti imo and go with a 9070 XT unless they are very close in price as they are about 5% in difference at best on average

Would you mind checking the price on those and report so I and the rest of us can work with a lil less darkness on what your marketspace is like?

Sure. As per our local price tracking site, the current cheapest prices are the following:

9800X3D - 529,25 €
7800X3D - 419,00 €

Gigabyte RTX 5070ti Windforce - 922,82 €
XFX Swift RX 9070XT - 788,50 €

 

[Millios]

29 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Sure. As per our local price tracking site, the current cheapest prices are the following:

9800X3D - 529,25 €
7800X3D - 419,00 €

Gigabyte RTX 5070ti Windforce - 922,82 €
XFX Swift RX 9070XT - 788,50 €

 

Alrighty

Im gonna use some metrics and benchmarks so if you cant follow with anything let me know

1 hour ago, Why_Me said:

using the chart @Why_Me graciously shared, the 9800x3d is 3-5% more powerful at 1080 and that gap is smaller in 1440p which isnt really that good for the price difference so if you are only gonna game I would suggest a 7800x3D for a platform upgrade, factoring in a decent b650 or b850 mobo at about 150-200 euros (i'll go with 175 for an average) and a DDR5 kit thats 32 GB (2x16) at about 90-100 (100 for reliability) we got about 420+175+100= 695 euros for a whole new platform so it leaves 300 in the bank (rough estimations)

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5070-ti.c4243

According to tehcpower, on average the 5070 Ti is about 27% stronger

In 1440p where its more a GPU matter it translates roughly like this

Aka about 50 FPS

 

The 4070 can still do about 100FPS at 1440p which I would still consider good if not great (depending on the game)

Here is my suggestion, your GPU is still decent enough from what I can see soI would suggest upgrading the platform for now for about 700 euros, ride out however long the 4070 can still last which I would say is about a year at worst, probably more, and by that time 1) GPU prices (current gen) will stabilise and probably drop and 2) you'll have more saved money if need be to buy at better prices and have better specs to support said newer cards

 

It prob wont get you 1440p ULTRA high FPS or 4K 120+ but it'll be a better experience that what you now have and you'll be able to play smoothly till your next needed upgrade

 

But before I can finalise that, could you share the games you play more specifically? I wanna check how CPU and GPU intesive they are

[FliP0x]

24 minutes ago, Millios said:

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Thanks, that pretty much confirms what I've been thinking.

I currently mainly play Throne&Liberty in large scale PvP.

[Millios]

2 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Thanks, that pretty much confirms what I've been thinking.

I currently mainly play Throne&Liberty in large scale PvP.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2429640/discussions/0/4839771079448840783/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2429640/discussions/0/4839771328509496185/

 

More CPU intesive from what I can find in PvP so a better CPU is probably they play here

 

If you need anything else feel free to let me know

[strange13930]

2 hours ago, FliP0x said:

It does what I need it to do "ok", the games I play run fine, but with tradeoffs. I play very large scale PvP MMORPGs and in order to get constant framerates that I can work with I either need to sacrifice visuals a lot, or lower the resolution. Frame drops and stutters are also common in high action situations.

Overall, it runs fine, but it could run a lot better.

when you play could you check the utilization of your ram, cpu, and gpu?

[191x7]

25 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Thanks, that pretty much confirms what I've been thinking.

I currently mainly play Throne&Liberty in large scale PvP.

You could go with a Ryzen 5700X3D or used 5800X3D + pair it up with a graphics card better suited for the high resolution you're using (1440p UW is a lot harder to drive than regular 1440p, it's closer to 4K). 

 

The 5700X3D costs 240-260€. The Radeon 7900XT starts from about 750€. I'd choose the 7900XT over the 9070 cause of the larger VRAM size.

You're playing on a high resolution. 16GB VRAM would be enough for today, but a couple years down the line it might not even be close to enough.

12-16GB is enough for regular 1440p, and based on how 12GB slowly becomes the norm for 1080p, I'd say 16GB would be the minimum for 1440p UW.

[FliP0x]

51 minutes ago, strange13930 said:

when you play could you check the utilization of your ram, cpu, and gpu?

Just logged in, getting the following usage standing in town:

CPU: bouncing between 78% and 86%
GPU: 50%-55% average
RAM: 81% (25,7/31,9GB, of which the game itself takes up 9GB)

So far everything points to the CPU holding me back.

VRAM usage is 9,1/12GB right now, with the game running on my main monitor and a twitch stream on the secondary monitor.

[Ha-Satan]

Just to be clear, for your usage, the 7800X3D is a better choice than the 7900X3D. The 7900X3D has two six-core CCDs but the 3D v-cache is only on one of the CCDs, so for the purposes of gaming it's effectively only a six-core. The 7800X3D has a single eight-core CCD and all eight cores have direct access to the 3D v-cache.

[FliP0x]

19 hours ago, Ha-Satan said:

Just to be clear, for your usage, the 7800X3D is a better choice than the 7900X3D. The 7900X3D has two six-core CCDs but the 3D v-cache is only on one of the CCDs, so for the purposes of gaming it's effectively only a six-core. The 7800X3D has a single eight-core CCD and all eight cores have direct access to the 3D v-cache.

Thanks, that was a typo. I actually meant the 7800X3D.

I did some tests and comparisons with some friends PC builds (which have a 7800X3D and one even has a 7950X3D) and their games look much nicer and run much smoother than my system, so I will definitely prioritise upgrading my CPU first, as the RTX4070 should still be good for a couple years. 

I'm also considering going for X870 over B850, even though I don't plan on doing any overclocking other than PBO. 

[TatamiMatt]

1 hour ago, FliP0x said:

I'm also considering going for X870 over B850, even though I don't plan on doing any overclocking other than PBO. 

Why?

 

And im not being snarky or anything, genuinely, do you have a concrete answer as to why, that you can articulate?

[FliP0x]

8 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Why?

 

And im not being snarky or anything, genuinely, do you have a concrete answer as to why, that you can articulate?

My understanding is that X870 boards are overall higher quality premium boards with more and better VRMs, active VRM cooling etc. as opposed to B850 boards which are more budget/mid-range oriented with lesser features and quality.

Obviously, I'm comparing them generally. There could be a certain high quality B850 board that wipes the floor with a entry X870 board, but as I understand X870 chipset has way more lanes and bandwidth than B850.

EDIT:
There's also X870E, but that is way too overkill for most people.

[Ha-Satan]

10 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

My understanding is that X870 boards are overall higher quality premium boards with more and better VRMs, active VRM cooling etc. as opposed to B850 boards which are more budget/mid-range oriented with lesser features and quality.

Obviously, I'm comparing them generally. There could be a certain high quality B850 board that wipes the floor with a entry X870 board, but as I understand X870 chipset has way more lanes and bandwidth than B850.

While it's true that on average X870 boards will have better VRMs than B850 boards, that doesn't mean B850 boards will necessarily be bad. In fact, with AMD's B-series chipsets, it's historically been only the very worst, cheapest boards that are actually problematic for running higher-end CPUs.

 

I strongly recommend that you look up Hardware Unboxed's motherboard VRM testing videos and you'll see that there are plenty of relatively inexpensive B-series boards that can run the 7800X3D without issues.

 

When it comes to I/O, B series boards also most likely have more than enough I/O in terms of lanes, bandwidth, etc. for your usage. I don't see anything in your listed use case that would demand the added I/O from X870. You really only need an X-series board if you need multiple PCIe slots running at x8 and/or numerous M.2 drives running at PCIe 5.0 speed. You might need that for a high-end AI workstation or video editing rig, but for a typical gaming build, you absolutely don't need it.

[TatamiMatt]

27 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

My understanding is that X870 boards are overall higher quality premium boards with more and better VRMs, active VRM cooling etc. as opposed to B850 boards which are more budget/mid-range oriented with lesser features and quality.

Obviously, I'm comparing them generally. There could be a certain high quality B850 board that wipes the floor with a entry X870 board, but as I understand X870 chipset has way more lanes and bandwidth than B850.

EDIT:
There's also X870E, but that is way too overkill for most people.

That is a general comparison as youve mentioned, but i mean, why would YOU need it, specifically.

 

Do you need the extra lanes? Are you looking to hook up a capture card and 3/4 NVMEs? Will you be pumping enough power to heat the VRMs up to any meaningful temperature? i.e an overclocked 9950X still isnt enough to heat the top tier B850 boards VRMs up to a point they become a limiting factor

 

The average user wont even use the entirety of a B tier board, all PCIe lanes, full I/O usage etc, nevermind making full use of the X boards.

 

Basically, if you have a reason you can argue for yourself with specific intent, then you actually more than likely would find use in an X board. But if your argument is what ifs, possibilities or even just, "idk seems better." Then a B board is probably going to save you money and also do more than you need anyway

[FliP0x]

Thanks for your input, I will have to do more research. This is just the conclusion I came up with with the research I have so far done.

It's also a matter of pricing. At least in my location, the price difference between a mid-tier B850 board and entry X870 board isn't that big so I might as well pay those 30-50 € more for a X870 chipset.

 

B850 boards can be had for as cheap as 86 €, but looking at the mid-range the prices are almost on par with X870, for example:
ASRock X870 Pro RS - 219,19 €
ASRock B850 Pro-A - 176,25 €
Gigabyte B850 Gaming WIFI6 - 180,70 €
or an "apples to apples" comparison with the X870 board: ASRock B850 Pro RS - 188,00 €

The dream would be a Gigabyte X870 Aorus Elite WIFI7 ICE, but it's too much at 315,00 €.

[TatamiMatt]

50 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

Thanks for your input, I will have to do more research. This is just the conclusion I came up with with the research I have so far done.

It's also a matter of pricing. At least in my location, the price difference between a mid-tier B850 board and entry X870 board isn't that big so I might as well pay those 30-50 € more for a X870 chipset.

 

B850 boards can be had for as cheap as 86 €, but looking at the mid-range the prices are almost on par with X870, for example:
ASRock X870 Pro RS - 219,19 €
ASRock B850 Pro-A - 176,25 €
Gigabyte B850 Gaming WIFI6 - 180,70 €
or an "apples to apples" comparison with the X870 board: ASRock B850 Pro RS - 188,00 €

The dream would be a Gigabyte X870 Aorus Elite WIFI7 ICE, but it's too much at 315,00 €.

The Asrock boards are pretty good, or were in B650s but im not sure about the 850s, havent heard anything bad, just havent heard much at all,. Me personally i like MSI boards, i just find their BIOS smooth to navigate and are decent value for money. The gigabyte and asrock boards are often what id recommend as theyre very good value for money though, the gaming and PRO-RS are great boards, id probably favour the PRO-RS if the "with wifi" version is around the same price, if not then the gigabyte is probably best value for money. Also, on that point, make sure whatever board has integrated wifi if you need it, itll be cheaper than buying an additional NIC and youll have more space in your case to work with to boot

[Dedayog]

On 5/14/2025 at 6:33 AM, FliP0x said:

Budget (including currency): Not relevant

Country: Croatia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: MMORPGs, Multitasking

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc):
CPU: Ryzen 7 5900X, Mobo: B550 AORUS PRO V2, RAM: G. SKILL Trident Z RGB 4x8GB, GPU: RTX 4070, Case: NZXT H9 Flow, Monitors: UWQHD Main Display, 1080p Vertical Secondary Monitor

I saved up a bit of money and I'm considering what my next upgrade would be.

Upgrade my GPU to a RTX 5070 (Ti) or replace my 5900X with a 7900X3D including new Motherboard and RAM? I understand that replacing the CPU will be the more costly options, but I am curious to know, in terms of improvement, which option would make the most sense compared to my current setup.

 

 

Why a 7900x3d?  It's not as good as a 7800x3d for gaming.  

 

9800x3d plus 5080 or 5090.  Then if grab a high refresh super UW to take advantage of more real estate and better visuals.

[FliP0x]

13 hours ago, Dedayog said:

Why a 7900x3d?  It's not as good as a 7800x3d for gaming.  

 

It was a typo, I meant the 7800X3D.

So far I am aiming for get the 9800X3D and pair it with an ASRock X870 Pro RS. It's the cheapest X870 board available, but based on specs it will be great for what I want to do.

Solid 14+2+1 VRMs for overclocking (I intend to do PBO and +200 clock or more, if silicon allows), 3x M2 slots which means I get to install another one without having to migrate and the White/Grey/Black design fits to my case (NZXT H9 Flow White).
I've had great experiences with my Liquid Freezer II 280 for my 5900X so I will get a Liquid Freezer III 360 this time around. A smaller rad would also be fine, but due to the case I'd prefer to get a 360 to completely fill the top space and not leave gaps.

RAM is very likely going to be Trident Z CL30 6000. I have DDR4 Trident Zs 3200 OCed to 3600 right now and very pleased with them.

[TatamiMatt]

50 minutes ago, FliP0x said:

It was a typo, I meant the 7800X3D.

So far I am aiming for get the 9800X3D and pair it with an ASRock X870 Pro RS. It's the cheapest X870 board available, but based on specs it will be great for what I want to do.

Solid 14+2+1 VRMs for overclocking (I intend to do PBO and +200 clock or more, if silicon allows), 3x M2 slots which means I get to install another one without having to migrate and the White/Grey/Black design fits to my case (NZXT H9 Flow White).
I've had great experiences with my Liquid Freezer II 280 for my 5900X so I will get a Liquid Freezer III 360 this time around. A smaller rad would also be fine, but due to the case I'd prefer to get a 360 to completely fill the top space and not leave gaps.

RAM is very likely going to be Trident Z CL30 6000. I have DDR4 Trident Zs 3200 OCed to 3600 right now and very pleased with them.

The LF3 pro has also come out recently with better fans and a decent jump in performance.

 

I also recommend the Trident Z, and specifically the NEOs as those are the EXPO variant (not very different but might aswell get the one that matches)

[FliP0x]

4 hours ago, TatamiMatt said:

The LF3 pro has also come out recently with better fans and a decent jump in performance.

 

I also recommend the Trident Z, and specifically the NEOs as those are the EXPO variant (not very different but might aswell get the one that matches)

Good to know both for the LF3 Pro and that I will need the Neo varient, thanks! Would have otherwise gotten the normal TridentZs.

[TatamiMatt]

On 5/16/2025 at 4:42 PM, FliP0x said:

Good to know both for the LF3 Pro and that I will need the Neo varient, thanks! Would have otherwise gotten the normal TridentZs.

The normal (XMP) ones will work perfectly fine too, but the AMD ones might just be a tad more stable on an AMD system