could we explode the earth

[apoyusiken]

i know they worried they could explode the earth while making the atomic bomb and it didnt turn out to be the case. what if we made a more powerful bomb though?

[jordanbuilds1]

3 minutes ago, apoyusiken said:

i know they worried they could explode the earth while making the atomic bomb and it didnt turn out to be the case. what if we made a more powerful bomb though?

Yes.

[apoyusiken]

5 minutes ago, jordanbuilds1 said:

Yes.

can you eloborate

[jordanbuilds1]

1 minute ago, apoyusiken said:

can you eloborate

no need, its already been built and is ready for testing

[apoyusiken]

1 hour ago, jordanbuilds1 said:

no need, its already been built and is ready for testing

do you get my question? i am talking about starting a chain reaction in the atmosphere

[jordanbuilds1]

3 minutes ago, apoyusiken said:

do you get my question? i am talking about starting a chain reaction in the atmosphere

do it

[apoyusiken]

2 hours ago, jordanbuilds1 said:

do it

bro why are you trolling

[jordanbuilds1]

13 minutes ago, apoyusiken said:

bro why are you trolling

well it started when...

[Doobeedoo]

Easily. They stopped exploding gigantis bombs just look what test Tsar Bomba did, shock wave circles the planet 3 times. This was even the smaller version detonated. Imagine what today could be made. 

[Thaldor]

23 hours ago, apoyusiken said:

i know they worried they could explode the earth while making the atomic bomb and it didnt turn out to be the case. what if we made a more powerful bomb though?

You probably watched the Oppenheimer and it sparked the idea. While staged thermonuclear bombs, more dramatic name hydrogen bomb, sounds like we are exploding the atmosphere and a lot of people go "hurrdurr!". No, even the biggest multi-staged thermonuclear bomb in it's full 100 meganton glory wouldn't have exploded the atmosphere because...

 

...That is not how the nuclear weapons work at all.

[GarlicDeliverySystem]

22 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

You probably watched the Oppenheimer and it sparked the idea. While staged thermonuclear bombs, more dramatic name hydrogen bomb, sounds like we are exploding the atmosphere and a lot of people go "hurrdurr!". No, even the biggest multi-staged thermonuclear bomb in it's full 100 meganton glory wouldn't have exploded the atmosphere because...

 

...That is not how the nuclear weapons work at all.

Never let facts get into the way of a good conspiracy theory. We want our exploding earth and we wants it now!

 

Anyway, this is correct. There is no reasonable way to "ignite" the atmosphere and to actually explode the earth you'd need a lot of energy. I think Scott Manly or so did the math once, which is basically just plugging in the earth's mass into an equation to see how much energy it takes to accelerate it to escape velocity. It was a lot.

 

 

[Ha-Satan]

If you want to wipe out humanity, I'd take a genetically engineered super-virus over exploding the earth any day! It has the bonus perk of leaving the biosphere intact for other organisms, which is great because most other organisms aren't huge assholes like us.

[apoyusiken]

3 hours ago, Ha-Satan said:

If you want to wipe out humanity, I'd take a genetically engineered super-virus over exploding the earth any day! It has the bonus perk of leaving the biosphere intact for other organisms, which is great because most other organisms aren't huge assholes like us.

thats now what i want. i dont think we are assholes in fact other organisms are bigger assholes in my eyes. i want to know if we could make a chain reaction to explode the atmosphere. so it is possible as far as the replies go. could we make the nuke? probably not now. in a million years? probably yes?

[Thaldor]

17 minutes ago, apoyusiken said:

i want to know if we could make a chain reaction to explode the atmosphere.

No.

 

The whole thing is quite a big misconception on so many levels. Did someone make calculation on what is the probability for fission explosion to create hydrogen fusion? Yes, most likely because that is the very basis of a fusion bomb. Did someone think that hydrogen fusion reaction could spread and set the atmosphere on fire? Probably someone who did read only the title of the memo.

 

For starters, there's basicly three types of nuclear bombs (4 if we count in the dirty bomb which isn't nuclear but more like using a bomb to spread nuclear material);

 

1) Pure fission bomb: This is the Demon core thing that was pretty much the first one to be designed. Quite simple actually, just have enough enriched uranium and smash it together in radioactively reflecting container with enough of force and you get an explosion where ~1-5% of the uranium goes through fission reaction and the rest is scattered everywhere. Only places where this has been used are the mentioned Demon core, the Little Boy and some USA nuclear artillery round experiments.

 

2) Boosted fission bomb: This is what Project Manhattan was really all about in the end. Taking a small hard ball of neutron reflecting metal, encasing it with enriched plutonium, adding a thick layer of depleted uranium, and covering all of that with explosives. Instead of requiring enriched uranium a lot, taking a lot less enriched plutonium and squeezing it enough that it's density drives it past the critical point. Safer to move around, pretty much easier and cheaper to make and easily doubles the boom. The Trinity Device, The Fat Man for a while the most devastating thing we had built. 20% of critical material going through the fission. But...

 

3) Fusion bomb (and so the modern staged thermonuclear bomb): Instead of small metal ball, you encase nothing into the boosted fission bomb, remove the depleted uranium, and just before igniting the high-explosive shell you fill that void within with radioactive isotopes of hydrogen which in themselves already like to decay into radioactive isotope of helium. This is what the calculation was all about, could we create nitrogen fusion reaction to generate a lot of extra free neutrons within the plutonium that is going critical and enhance the amount of material that goes from critical to fission. And we could, and it became known as the fusion bomb, which is a bit misnomer because it's like comparing dirty bomb to nuclear bomb when comparing it to fusion reactor, instead of making the tritium or deuterium (Hydrogen-3 or Hydrogen-2) to go through nice clean and long fusion reaction and use them as the explosive, we just slam them down to create some amount of neutrons that will trigger more of the plutonium to go boom.

Staged thermonuclear bomb (aka. Hydrogen Bomb), is just one fusion bomb that is blown with the high-explosives and which in turn will "ignite" the next stage which is just a bigger fusion bomb now imploded into criticality with the first fusion bomb, and then that bigger fusion bomb can ignite the next one even bigger and so on.

 

With all of these you can possibly see the little difference why nuclear bombs cannot ignite the atmosphere... I will give you time to think... It will come to you...

 

Okay, our atmosphere isn't under extreme pressure and sadly only like 0,0015% of it is made out of deuterium and way,way less from tritium and it's not generally as hot as the Sun. While during a nuclear explosion some every day normal nitrogen atoms may go through fusion, we are talking about pretty much unnoticeable singular fusion reactions within the very center of the nuclear explosion. In normal air (without a lot of explosives and extremely dense enriched plutonium pushing everything together) nitrogen atoms are just way too far away from each other and way too little spicy to really do anything, imagine it like farting in a stadium and week later trying to set that fart on fire.

Even if you could magically turn a LTT water bottle amount of pure nitrogen into a perfect fusion reaction, you would probably blow away your neighborhood, probably the whole city, but the atmosphere is just too thin to even begin keeping that fusion reaction going.

[apoyusiken]

1 hour ago, Thaldor said:

No.

 

The whole thing is quite a big misconception on so many levels. Did someone make calculation on what is the probability for fission explosion to create hydrogen fusion? Yes, most likely because that is the very basis of a fusion bomb. Did someone think that hydrogen fusion reaction could spread and set the atmosphere on fire? Probably someone who did read only the title of the memo.

 

For starters, there's basicly three types of nuclear bombs (4 if we count in the dirty bomb which isn't nuclear but more like using a bomb to spread nuclear material);

 

1) Pure fission bomb: This is the Demon core thing that was pretty much the first one to be designed. Quite simple actually, just have enough enriched uranium and smash it together in radioactively reflecting container with enough of force and you get an explosion where ~1-5% of the uranium goes through fission reaction and the rest is scattered everywhere. Only places where this has been used are the mentioned Demon core, the Little Boy and some USA nuclear artillery round experiments.

 

2) Boosted fission bomb: This is what Project Manhattan was really all about in the end. Taking a small hard ball of neutron reflecting metal, encasing it with enriched plutonium, adding a thick layer of depleted uranium, and covering all of that with explosives. Instead of requiring enriched uranium a lot, taking a lot less enriched plutonium and squeezing it enough that it's density drives it past the critical point. Safer to move around, pretty much easier and cheaper to make and easily doubles the boom. The Trinity Device, The Fat Man for a while the most devastating thing we had built. 20% of critical material going through the fission. But...

 

3) Fusion bomb (and so the modern staged thermonuclear bomb): Instead of small metal ball, you encase nothing into the boosted fission bomb, remove the depleted uranium, and just before igniting the high-explosive shell you fill that void within with radioactive isotopes of hydrogen which in themselves already like to decay into radioactive isotope of helium. This is what the calculation was all about, could we create nitrogen fusion reaction to generate a lot of extra free neutrons within the plutonium that is going critical and enhance the amount of material that goes from critical to fission. And we could, and it became known as the fusion bomb, which is a bit misnomer because it's like comparing dirty bomb to nuclear bomb when comparing it to fusion reactor, instead of making the tritium or deuterium (Hydrogen-3 or Hydrogen-2) to go through nice clean and long fusion reaction and use them as the explosive, we just slam them down to create some amount of neutrons that will trigger more of the plutonium to go boom.

Staged thermonuclear bomb (aka. Hydrogen Bomb), is just one fusion bomb that is blown with the high-explosives and which in turn will "ignite" the next stage which is just a bigger fusion bomb now imploded into criticality with the first fusion bomb, and then that bigger fusion bomb can ignite the next one even bigger and so on.

 

With all of these you can possibly see the little difference why nuclear bombs cannot ignite the atmosphere... I will give you time to think... It will come to you...

 

Okay, our atmosphere isn't under extreme pressure and sadly only like 0,0015% of it is made out of deuterium and way,way less from tritium and it's not generally as hot as the Sun. While during a nuclear explosion some every day normal nitrogen atoms may go through fusion, we are talking about pretty much unnoticeable singular fusion reactions within the very center of the nuclear explosion. In normal air (without a lot of explosives and extremely dense enriched plutonium pushing everything together) nitrogen atoms are just way too far away from each other and way too little spicy to really do anything, imagine it like farting in a stadium and week later trying to set that fart on fire.

Even if you could magically turn a LTT water bottle amount of pure nitrogen into a perfect fusion reaction, you would probably blow away your neighborhood, probably the whole city, but the atmosphere is just too thin to even begin keeping that fusion reaction going.

thanks i get it. however imagine the aliens drop an uncomprehensibly strong nuke, wouldnt the pressure wave be enough to compress the air? but again, that would probably end the world anyway making this concern pointless.

[wasab]

23 hours ago, Ha-Satan said:

If you want to wipe out humanity, I'd take a genetically engineered super-virus over exploding the earth any day! It has the bonus perk of leaving the biosphere intact for other organisms, which is great because most other organisms aren't huge assholes like us.

You sure about that? Parasites are usually huge assholes. 

[Ha-Satan]

16 minutes ago, wasab said:

Parasites are usually huge assholes. 

Parasites aren't actively destroying the earth's biosphere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[wasab]

4 hours ago, Ha-Satan said:

Parasites aren't actively destroying the earth's biosphere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Parasites are known to wiped out species that form essential part of the food chain so they do actively destroy earths biosphere. The only difference is that natural selection would usually kill them off after all their hosts die as well so their deadlines has a limit. 

 

You should also look up past couple billions years and read about the great oxidation events. Not parasites but just about as a huge hit to the biosphere. 

[apoyusiken]

2 hours ago, Ha-Satan said:

Parasites aren't actively destroying the earth's biosphere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bro so what if the biosphere is destroyed? also humans are the only animals trying to save the world