Building AM5

[Poinkachu]

I want to build an AM5 system, though not sure what budget to put since I live in Not-USA and pricing is a whole lot different.
Let's just say it's around up to 20,000,000 Rupiah ($1250) without GPU included, can go up a bit if really needed.

 

Hopefully you guys can give me recommendation based on local market pricing & availability (local e-market link below).

 

What I currently have that may be usable in the new build :
- HX1000 Platinum (around 3,5y old)
- Corsair's 12VHPWR cable (early release one)
- H100i Pro XT 240mm AIO (No idea if the mounting will fit AM5)
- Some drives

 

Planning to switch current 3080 to either 5070ti, 5080, or 4080 Super, really not sure yet about which to pick. Recommendation is of course welcomed.

The budget for this is separate.

 

Soo... that leaves us with Motherboard, CPU, RAM, PC Case at the very least (since I doubt current case can accept new GPU with 12VHP) .

 

If there's anything from the "Have List" you guys think needs to be changed, feel free to pluck it out & give me a recommendation.

My use is mainly 1440p gaming and some graphic designing, also might want to start delving into Stable Diffusion & Localized LLM.

Local e-market to use :
www.tokopedia.com

 

[Millios]

40 series cards are scalped to high heaven most of the time and the 50 series is terrible value

I'd suggest looking for reasonably priced 40 series cards or better yet second hand or all together jumping ship to an AMD gpu as it is better value

From your marketplace I peep

9700x 4.5ish million

b650 eagle ax 6.783 million

ADATA XPG Lancer RGB DDR5 6000Mhz 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 - White 1.75 million

Montech xr 0.75 million

That will do and is about 13 to 14 million Rupiah

For an extra 5ish million you could also swap the 9700x to a 9800x3d which is the best all around gaming chip in the market

Only thing you could improve here? A cheaper 6000mhz cl30 kit if there is one and a case if you dont like the one I chose

[Iump]

No offense but AM5 is overrated it would be more worth it to get a new old stock AM4 or a generation 14 intel CPU instead and hold off on AM5 for like 5 more years cuz shit is pricey as hell right now and you would be wasting your money

 

[Millios]

10 minutes ago, Iump said:

No offense but AM5 is overrated it would be more worth it to get a new old stock AM4 or a generation 14 intel CPU instead and hold off on AM5 for like 5 more years cuz shit is pricey as hell right now and you would be wasting your money

 

AM4 is worth it if you are tighter on budget and intel 14th gen especially after the MANY issues it had is a joke

AM5 is fairly priced (except the X800x3D chips that are scalped) and it also has an actual future till at least 2027 where we either will get the 10000 series OR AM6 but we will see about that

TL DR AM5 is actually great because it is fairly priced, has a future and if you wanna game is just better

 

[Poinkachu]

1 hour ago, Iump said:

No offense but AM5 is overrated it would be more worth it to get a new old stock AM4 or a generation 14 intel CPU instead and hold off on AM5 for like 5 more years cuz shit is pricey as hell right now and you would be wasting your money

Thank you for your opinion.

 

Current system is already AM4, 5900x to be exact.

Isn't 14th gen the one with degradation issue?

 

Anyway, yeah, I'm done with Intel, atleast for the time being until some years ahead.

 

2 hours ago, Millios said:

40 series cards are scalped to high heaven most of the time and the 50 series is terrible value

I'd suggest looking for reasonably priced 40 series cards or better yet second hand or all together jumping ship to an AMD gpu as it is better value

From your marketplace I peep

9700x 4.5ish million

b650 eagle ax 6.783 million

ADATA XPG Lancer RGB DDR5 6000Mhz 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 - White 1.75 million

Montech xr 0.75 million

That will do and is about 13 to 14 million Rupiah

For an extra 5ish million you could also swap the 9700x to a 9800x3d which is the best all around gaming chip in the market

Only thing you could improve here? A cheaper 6000mhz cl30 kit if there is one and a case if you dont like the one I chose

Well, based on what I'm seeing in my marketplace the pricing on the 5080 is not that bad after factoring in that it's an AIB card, import tax (atleast 10%), & goods tax (11%), even comparing it to an FE's MSRP, and since there is no FE launch here I get to stick with just AIB's.

$1000 + 10% =  $1100 + 11% = $1221

Cheapest 5080 in my market = $1,437

Kinda sure import tax will be 15%, since that's how much I had to pay for my LTT screwdrivers.

 

For comparison : When 4080 was launched, the initial market pricing here is atleast $1,850 for the cheapest, usually Zotac & Some Colorful models.

 

And nah, even if I am choosing 4080 Super, most likely it will be new.

- Lots of people who buy high end stuffs but doesn't know how to care for it.

- Most of 2nd hand seller here is crappy

- People here sell years used GPU like they're 2-3 months old (only reducing like 5-10% of the price). I may as well spend a bit more and get new, full warranty.

- New 4080 Super currently is priced quite the same as 5070ti. (Yes, not much scalping session right now here, unless it's a 4090 / 5090)

 

Of course it doesn't mean I won't try to get one if there's someone selling a cheap used one.

And I'm not saying I will immediately buy a new GPU after I build the AM5 system, I am still thinking and researching about it. I only said what I said about GPU just so people will know what kinda GPU the system gonna have to work with right now and in the future. I'd probably atleast want to wait until these missing ROPs units get flushed out of the market.

 

I will take your suggestion about CPU, Motherboard, and RAM into consideration for now. Thank you for your opinion.

Do you think the performance difference between 9700x and 9800x3D worth the money difference ?

 

[Iump]

1 minute ago, Poinkachu said:

Thank you for your opinion.

 

Current system is already AM4, 5900x to be exact.

Isn't 14th gen the one with degradation issue?

 

Anyway, yeah, I'm done with Intel, atleast for the time being until some years ahead.

 

Well, based on what I'm seeing in my marketplace the pricing on the 5080 is not that bad after factoring in that it's an AIB card, import tax (atleast 10%), & goods tax (11%), even comparing it to an FE's MSRP, and since there is no FE launch here I get to stick with just AIB's.

$1000 + 10% =  $1100 + 11% = $1221

Cheapest 5080 in my market = $1,437

Kinda sure import tax will be 15%, since that's how much I had to pay for my LTT screwdrivers.

 

For comparison : When 4080 was launched, the initial market pricing here is atleast $1,850 for the cheapest, usually Zotac & Some Colorful models.

 

And nah, even if I am choosing 4080 Super, most likely it will be new.

- Lots of people who buy high end stuffs but doesn't know how to care for it.

- Most of 2nd hand seller here is crappy

- People here sell years used GPU like they're 2-3 months old (only reducing like 5-10% of the price). I may as well spend a bit more and get new, full warranty.

- New 4080 Super currently is priced quite the same as 5070ti. (Yes, not much scalping session right now here, unless it's a 4090 / 5090)

 

Of course it doesn't mean I won't try to get one if there's someone selling a cheap used one.

And I'm not saying I will immediately buy a new GPU after I build the AM5 system, I am still thinking and researching about it. I only said what I said about GPU just so people will know what kinda GPU the system gonna have to work with right now and in the future.

 

I will take your suggestion about CPU, Motherboard, and RAM into consideration for now. Thank you for your opinion.

Do you think the performance difference between 9700x and 9800x3D worth the money difference ?

 

Intel fixed the degradation issue and it only effects certain CPUs, plus I buy mine from day one and still no issues to now....

[Blasty Blosty]

3 minutes ago, Iump said:

Intel fixed the degradation issue and it only effects certain CPUs, plus I buy mine from day one and still no issues to now....

Yeah, but AM5 is much more upgradeable, I don't see why people even go Intel anymore

[Iump]

Just now, Blasty Blosty said:

Yeah, but AM5 is much more upgradeable, I don't see why people even go Intel anymore

It might just be my setup but I have big issues with AMD performance in linux, and intel works better for it and is especially cheaper on the second-hand market I mean just look at Newegg and try to tell me you'd rather buy AMD its a bit of a crap shoot right now

[Poinkachu]

28 minutes ago, Iump said:

Intel fixed the degradation issue and it only effects certain CPUs, plus I buy mine from day one and still no issues to now....

1. RMA-ing about this kinda problem is going to be a huge problematic one in where I live

2. I have shitty luck, so I prefer not gambling.

3. If it's used, then it will be even more of a gamble for me. The difference will be something like between blackjack & slot machine.

 

Plus I spent decades dealing with Intel's socket before moving to AM4, and I quite like it now.

Not to mention how Intel as a company is doing lately.... is almost like AMD marketing with their GPU and it's software. Maybe a bad analogy/comparison.

Basically, doesn't strike confidence.

[Renegade042]

Whatever you decide to do i would hang on to the 3080 for the time being.  9070/XT is around the corner

and the leaks look good even for RTX (if they are true).  A well performing AMD offering is gonna do wonders

for Nvidia's pricing and supply issues (just a hunch).

[Poinkachu]

Just now, Renegade042 said:

Whatever you decide to do i would hang on to the 3080 for the time being.  9070/XT is around the corner

and the leaks look good even for RTX (if they are true).  A well performing AMD offering is gonna do wonders

for Nvidia's pricing and supply issues (just a hunch).

Thank you for the opinion.

And yes, I am not buying new GPU right off the bat. Only said what gpu I have and plan to buy just so people know what kinda GPU the system will have to work with.

 

I probably will still buy Nvidia, because... you know... software.

[Millios]

32 minutes ago, Poinkachu said:

based on what I'm seeing in my marketplace the pricing on the 5080 is not that bad after factoring in that it's an AIB card, import tax (atleast 10%), & goods tax (11%), even comparing it to an FE's MSRP, and since there is no FE launch here I get to stick with just AIB's.

$1000 + 10% =  $1100 + 11% = $1221

Cheapest 5080 in my market = $1,437

Kinda sure import tax will be 15%, since that's how much I had to pay for my LTT screwdrivers.

 

For comparison : When 4080 was launched, the initial market pricing here is atleast $1,850 for the cheapest, usually Zotac & Some Colorful models.

 

And nah, even if I am choosing 4080 Super, most likely it will be new.

- Lots of people who buy high end stuffs but doesn't know how to care for it.

- Most of 2nd hand seller here is crappy

- People here sell years used GPU like they're 2-3 months old (only reducing like 5-10% of the price). I may as well spend a bit more and get new, full warranty.

- New 4080 Super currently is priced quite the same as 5070ti. (Yes, not much scalping session right now here, unless it's a 4090 / 5090)

 

Of course it doesn't mean I won't try to get one if there's someone selling a cheap used one.

And I'm not saying I will immediately buy a new GPU after I build the AM5 system, I am still thinking and researching about it. I only said what I said about GPU just so people will know what kinda GPU the system gonna have to work with right now and in the future. I'd probably atleast want to wait until these missing ROPs units get flushed out of the market.

 

I will take your suggestion about CPU, Motherboard, and RAM into consideration for now. Thank you for your opinion.

Do you think the performance difference between 9700x and 9800x3D worth the money difference ?

 

1.4k for a 5080 isn't terrible but you might as well get a 4080s if it is 1.3k or less since there are minimal differences 

As for the cpu, that'll depend on the game resolution and game itself

IF you can fit it in the budget it'd be great but if you can't then the "lost" performance will either be minimal or not enough to worry about it 

[Millios]

30 minutes ago, Blasty Blosty said:

Yeah, but AM5 is much more upgradeable, I don't see why people even go Intel anymore

If you aren't gonna do strictly productivity there is no reason to go Intel

[Poinkachu]

Just now, Millios said:

1.4k for a 5080 isn't terrible but you might as well get a 4080s if it is 1.3k or less since there are minimal differences 

As for the cpu, that'll depend on the game resolution and game itself

IF you can fit it in the budget it'd be great but if you can't then the "lost" performance will either be minimal or not enough to worry about it 

I will use at least 1440p if the game allows it.

Well, pretty sure the budget allows it, just not sure if it's a good move, or if the perf diff worth that much.

[Millios]

1 minute ago, Poinkachu said:

I will use at least 1440p if the game allows it.

Well, pretty sure the budget allows it, just not sure if it's a good move, or if the perf diff worth that much.

Unless you play CPU Intensive stuff then nah the 9700x is a good saving move 

[Renegade042]

1 minute ago, Millios said:

Unless you play CPU Intensive stuff then nah the 9700x is a good saving move 

think you can guarantee he won't?

[Millios]

Just now, Renegade042 said:

think you can guarantee he won't?

That is what "unless" means buddy 

IF he doesn't the 9700x is fine IF he does then 9800x3d is better 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 hours ago, Poinkachu said:

I prefer not gambling

 

Jokes aside plenty of good cases below the 500rb mark so thats up to personal preference

 

Mobo wise all the atx b650s are horrendously overpriced so you are looking at matx b650s and the b650m hdv is around 1.9jt new and a very solid board especially for mem oc, dont even bother with used as the price difference is far too small to justify no warranty on the most error prone part of a build

 

Rams wise very annoying to find c32/30 cause everyone just markets 6000mhz with no cl rating but if you buy klevv rams around 1.5-1.6jt for the 32gb 6000 kits theyre always c30 or c32 and they are guaranteed hynix a die, just look up "klevv ddr5 32gb"

 

As for the cpu yeah up to you depending on the games you play and judging by the usecases you dont play particularly cpu heavy games i assume? 1440p is more gpu bottlenecked than cpu bottlenecked so pretty sure a tray 7600 you can find for about 2.35jt will do, diff between the 7500f and 7600 is only 200rb so imo worth it if you need to run multiple displays or troubleshoot