Peltier Cooler

[ulookuglynoob]

I was watching some random videos and stumbled upon peltier coolers. My 14600k is overheating really badly, so I thought that maybe I could try using a Peltier cooler with my aio to cool my cpu. This may put a strain on my aio though. Should I get one? They look pretty cheap at the moment, and My cpu is getting temps up to 100C. The peltier cooler: https://www.amazon.com/TEC1-12706-Grade-Peltier-Cooler-Module/dp/B07VLTSXVV?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATAKSNAY2PYHR&gQT=1 

I have made a post on my cpu issues, which you can see here: 

 

Thanks!

[OddOod]

Have you applied the microcode and BIOS updates?

 

[tkitch]

Okay, so a few things:

1) Have you fully updated your BIOS?  On 14th gen that's SUPER IMPORTANT.

 

2) What Cooler are you using?  The 14600K can run pretty toasty, so it needs a decent cooler.

 

3) You clearly don't know how Peltiers work, so you absolutely should not buy them.  There is 0 way that will cool your CPU.  You'd end up frying your chip instead.  

[Eigenvektor]

2 minutes ago, ulookuglynoob said:

so I thought that maybe I could try using a Peltier cooler with my aio to cool my cpu.

Peltier is not an effective solution for a CPU cooler. Due to inefficiency, the cooling you get on one side is offset by more heat on the other side that you now need to somehow get rid of. They also require a lot of power.

 

They only really make sense in situations where you can't have moving parts and are size constrained, but power draw is not an issue

[ulookuglynoob]

33 minutes ago, OddOod said:

Have you applied the microcode and BIOS updates?

 

I did right after the new updates came out, but I will try again.

[ulookuglynoob]

29 minutes ago, tkitch said:

3) You clearly don't know how Peltiers work, so you absolutely should not buy them.  There is 0 way that will cool your CPU.  You'd end up frying your chip instead.  

Well, that makes sense.

[ulookuglynoob]

30 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

Peltier is not an effective solution for a CPU cooler. Due to inefficiency, the cooling you get on one side is offset by more heat on the other side that you now need to somehow get rid of. They also require a lot of power.

 

They only really make sense in situations where you can't have moving parts and are size constrained, but power draw is not an issue

Ok. Idk, it was kinda dumb of me to post this. I will probably return my 14600k and go back to my 12100f. 

[Somerandomtechyboi]

peliters suck stick to phase change or at the very least a waterchiller setup

 

tried a 12706 on a pentium e5400 managed condensation on my p5q cause i didnt insulate it so lucky it didnt get into the socket or any of the smds on the board and with a more mild overclock like 3.8ghz or something like that iirc temps went from 60s ish to low 50s but trying a higher oc like 4.4ghz and 100c so yeah ineffective garbage do not buy unless you just want to toy around with it which i did and had fun putting metal or cpus ontop and freeze them over

 

those peltier aios you see are horrendously inefficient and draw like 300w or something to try and effectively cool the cpu and that was with 11th gen rocketlake afaik which only had 8 cores on the i7/i9 and performance wise id consider them to be quite the dissapointment when you are barely able to clock much higher whilst still seeing temps in the 70s with a higher oc which is just pathetic

 

atleast a chiller loop will keep the thing closer to ambient under load albiet not ideal as phase change with a good enough system can keep it constantly under 0c and by then youd be able to daily at freq past the mid 6ghz mark

 

 

 

examples of phase change and waterchiller respectively

 

phase gets the coolest temps albiet annoying to setup due to having to fab your own evap and pretty much having to know how acs work cause you are effectively cooling the cpu directly with an ac unit

 

waterchiller at most youll probably only need a mod to make sure the ac can drop below 0c and the evap thatd usually go to an indoor ac just dunk it into a bucket of whatever liquid you wanna use that can handle subzero temps, you can also hook it up to the gpu and rams if you want them under cold aswell

 

if you dont know anything about acs the waterchiller is prefferable as the gap shouldnt be too large temps wise compared to an unmodded ac unit but once you know about acs and start screwing around with cascade or whatnot then it really pulls ahead cause as far as i can tell the lowest you can go with a waterchiller is probably somewhere in the -80c or -90c range or whatever acetone can handle which at that point is basically just poor mans liquid nitrogen but in a closed loop cooler and you dont have to dunk dry ice in it to keep it cold

[ulookuglynoob]

Just now, Somerandomtechyboi said:

peliters suck stick to phase change or at the very least a waterchiller setup

 

tried a 12706 on a pentium e5400 managed condensation on my p5q cause i didnt insulate it so lucky it didnt get into the socket or any of the smds on the board and with a more mild overclock like 3.8ghz or something like that iirc temps went from 60s ish to low 50s but trying a higher oc like 4.4ghz and 100c so yeah ineffective garbage do not buy unless you just want to toy around with it which i did and had fun putting metal or cpus ontop and freeze them over

 

those peltier aios you see are horrendously inefficient and draw like 300w or something to try and effectively cool the cpu and that was with 11th gen rocketlake afaik which only had 8 cores on the i7/i9 and performance wise id consider them to be quite the dissapointment when you are barely able to clock much higher whilst still seeing temps in the 70s with a higher oc which is just pathetic

 

atleast a chiller loop will keep the thing closer to ambient under load albiet not ideal as phase change with a good enough system can keep it constantly under 0c and by then youd be able to daily at freq past the mid 6ghz mark

 

 

 

examples of phase change and waterchiller respectively

 

phase gets the coolest temps albiet annoying to setup due to having to fab your own evap and pretty much having to know how acs work cause you are effectively cooling the cpu directly with an ac unit

 

waterchiller at most youll probably only need a mod to make sure the ac can drop below 0c and the evap thatd usually go to an indoor ac just dunk it into a bucket of whatever liquid you wanna use that can handle subzero temps, you can also hook it up to the gpu and rams if you want them under cold aswell

 

if you dont know anything about acs the waterchiller is prefferable as the gap shouldnt be too large temps wise compared to an unmodded ac unit but once you know about acs and start screwing around with cascade or whatnot then it really pulls ahead cause as far as i can tell the lowest you can go with a waterchiller is probably somewhere in the -80c or -90c range or whatever acetone can handle which at that point is basically just poor mans liquid nitrogen but in a closed loop cooler and you dont have to dunk dry ice in it to keep it cold

Ok Thanks.

[tkitch]

The 14600K is a good chip.

What cooler are you using?  Don't nerf your CPU performance over some heat.  

[ulookuglynoob]

6 minutes ago, tkitch said:

The 14600K is a good chip.

What cooler are you using?  Don't nerf your CPU performance over some heat.  

No, its not that. I am not seeing a reasonable performance upgrade. I have a CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V1. The old model. The thing is that I play valorant and have a 180hz monitor at 1080p. As long as I get over 180 fps, which my 12100f could, i dont need a 14600k. The new chip also caused the power in my room to go out 3 times. Its probably a psu issue, since i have a bad psu (Apevia Jupiter 600w). I don't think my build is good enough for a 14600k. To see the full post, go here: 

 

[tkitch]

a 120mm AIO is not up to the task of cooling a high-heat CPU.

That's the issue you're running into with temps.  

 

You can lower the power target of your 14600k and it'd be much better.  But on a 150+ Watt budget?  That cooler's just gonna get outclassed by the heat.  

[ulookuglynoob]

2 minutes ago, tkitch said:

a 120mm AIO is not up to the task of cooling a high-heat CPU.

That's the issue you're running into with temps.  

 

You can lower the power target of your 14600k and it'd be much better.  But on a 150+ Watt budget?  That cooler's just gonna get outclassed by the heat.  

Yup, thats what I was thinking. I didn't have enough for a cooler. A cousin gifted me his old one.

[OddOod]

On 12/19/2024 at 12:07 PM, ulookuglynoob said:

ML120L

On 12/19/2024 at 12:14 PM, tkitch said:

a 120mm AIO is not up to the task of cooling a high-heat CPU.

A 120mm AIO is not up to the task of cooling *anything*, let alone a 14th gen furnace. 
I'd recommend a nice tower cooler like an spirit, assassin, or a full on D15

[ulookuglynoob]

5 minutes ago, OddOod said:

A 120mm AIO is not up to the task of cooling *anything*, let alone a 14th gen furnace. 
I'd recommend a nice tower cooler like an spirit, assassin, or a full on D15

yeah i know. I already returned the 14600k