New pc or upgrade?

[Barrie]

Budget (including currency): 3000-4000 AED which is about 900-1000 USD

 

Country: united arab emirates

 

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: its going to be mostly for gaming and for some programming

 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): i already have a pc it has an intel i5-10400F, 1660 super, asus prime b460-plus, 16GB 3200Mhz, 650w psu.

im not sure if i should upgrade some of the parts or just buy a new pc

 

[ChrisLoudon]

11 minutes ago, Barrie said:

im not sure if i should upgrade some of the parts or just buy a new pc

So this is a tricky one!

 

My 9900k is probably relatively similar in terms of performance with the 10400F with the 9900k maybe able to edge out the competition as its OCable and I have it paired with a 3080ti which has done be just fine until recently.

 

I think the question I would ask, is what games do you play and at what resolution.

 

In simple terms, the more graphically demanding the game and the higher the desired resolution, the less important the CPU becomes (until a point).

 

Since I like paying at 4K with as many graphics settings turned to max as I can whilst keeping fps north of 60 (ideally 120), I've been able to 'brute-force' things by just whacking in a bigger and better GPU which has done me fine but recently release AAA titles like Horizon Forbidden West don't run well at 4k. Even 1440p requires a few compromises on settings.

 

Once the new 50 series GPUs from Nvidia hit the shelves soon after the new year, my plan was to move my 4090 into the 9900k but I tried that a few months ago to see how it performed and the 9900k just held the 4090 back at all resolutions. To be clear, it worked fine, but the 1% lows were pretty bad which did detract from the gaming experience.

 

I think my point is, a full upgrade is worth considering BUT you could probably eek out your platform for a little while longer by upgrading to 32GB of Ram and a better GPU. As it stands, your current platform will probably pair just fine with anything up to and including a 4070ti Super (assuming you're into eye-candy over high fps). If you are trying to push higher fps and 1080 then its a full upgrade.

 

You can then look at CPU, Mobo & RAM upgrade when funds become available later down the line. The only issue with this approach is the difficulty in choosing when to push the button when your GPU and the rest of your PC are on different 'upgrade-schedules.

 

The other issue here is, the GPU market is about to get very interesting with Nvidia, AMD and Intel all about to release their latest and greatest.

 

It might be worth waiting to see what these new cards have to offer and what the used market looks like at the same time or even if there are deals to be had with retailers wanting rid of old inventory.

 

Sorry, probably haven't helped much!

[Millios]

You can squeeze some more from it but within I'd generously say 2 maybe tops 3 years itll be a glorified media machine that can play some games like deadcells or yakuza 0 (that sort of light to medium games)

I would suggest a new machine cause you can:

1) go AM5 and have the room to upgrade to smt more fitting should you need in the guture

2)get the ability to run decently most new games and just a bit more hefty games at a good resolution and framerate

You can go up a tier in cpu with intel 11th gen and get a new gpu as well.

Another suggestion is going 12th gen with smt like a 12400f and a new mobo (with ddr4 to re use ram) and gpu and re use ram which is a hybrid of "new", old and upgraded.

Personally I'd suggest either new to get the most of the budget since 900-1000 bucks can get you smt a least decent or going with the pseudo-hybrid method IF you want to save a bit but still not lose too much

[Why_Me]

Unlike AM4, Intel LGA-1200 struggles with four sticks of RAM due to the memory controller. You can always sell your existing RAM.

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Z790-WIFI-DDR4-Motherboard-Multi-Key/dp/B0D2RL4PT6/   

GIGABYTE Z790 S WIFI DDR4 AED501.03

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Intel-i5-12400F-6xxChipset-Processor-BX8071512400F/dp/B09NPJRDGD/  

Intel Core i5-12400F AED429.14

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Thermalright-Assassin-Aluminium-Heatsink-Technology/dp/B09SD5F996/  

Thermalright Assassin X120 Refined SE CPU Cooler AED79.52

 

https://www.amazon.ae/memory-3200-32GB-GSkill-Aegis/dp/B07YV6DKJK/   

G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 AED201.16

 

https://www.amazon.ae/MSI-GeForce-VENTUS-NVIDIA-GDDR6/dp/B08WHJFYM8/   

MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB Video Card AED1,039.00

 

Total: AED2249.85

[Ha-Satan]

3 hours ago, Why_Me said:

Unlike AM4, Intel LGA-1200 struggles with four sticks of RAM due to the memory controller. You can always sell your existing RAM.

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Z790-WIFI-DDR4-Motherboard-Multi-Key/dp/B0D2RL4PT6/   

GIGABYTE Z790 S WIFI DDR4 AED501.03

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Intel-i5-12400F-6xxChipset-Processor-BX8071512400F/dp/B09NPJRDGD/  

Intel Core i5-12400F AED429.14

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Thermalright-Assassin-Aluminium-Heatsink-Technology/dp/B09SD5F996/  

Thermalright Assassin X120 Refined SE CPU Cooler AED79.52

 

https://www.amazon.ae/memory-3200-32GB-GSkill-Aegis/dp/B07YV6DKJK/   

G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 AED201.16

 

https://www.amazon.ae/MSI-GeForce-VENTUS-NVIDIA-GDDR6/dp/B08WHJFYM8/   

MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB Video Card AED1,039.00

 

Total: AED2249.85

This isn't a bad build but personally I don't feel like it's enough of a boost over OP's current build to be worth spending money on. The 3060 isn't even a 50% performance upgrade over the 1660 Super and they'd still be upgrading to parts that are several generations old (or almost several generations old in the case of the GPU).

 

I'd personally recommend that OP waits until they can upgrade to at least an RX 7600 with a 7700 XT-tier GPU or better, which should provide over double the gaming performance in many scenarios.

[Barrie]

5 hours ago, ChrisLoudon said:

So this is a tricky one!

 

My 9900k is probably relatively similar in terms of performance with the 10400F with the 9900k maybe able to edge out the competition as its OCable and I have it paired with a 3080ti which has done be just fine until recently.

 

I think the question I would ask, is what games do you play and at what resolution.

 

In simple terms, the more graphically demanding the game and the higher the desired resolution, the less important the CPU becomes (until a point).

 

Since I like paying at 4K with as many graphics settings turned to max as I can whilst keeping fps north of 60 (ideally 120), I've been able to 'brute-force' things by just whacking in a bigger and better GPU which has done me fine but recently release AAA titles like Horizon Forbidden West don't run well at 4k. Even 1440p requires a few compromises on settings.

 

Once the new 50 series GPUs from Nvidia hit the shelves soon after the new year, my plan was to move my 4090 into the 9900k but I tried that a few months ago to see how it performed and the 9900k just held the 4090 back at all resolutions. To be clear, it worked fine, but the 1% lows were pretty bad which did detract from the gaming experience.

 

I think my point is, a full upgrade is worth considering BUT you could probably eek out your platform for a little while longer by upgrading to 32GB of Ram and a better GPU. As it stands, your current platform will probably pair just fine with anything up to and including a 4070ti Super (assuming you're into eye-candy over high fps). If you are trying to push higher fps and 1080 then its a full upgrade.

 

You can then look at CPU, Mobo & RAM upgrade when funds become available later down the line. The only issue with this approach is the difficulty in choosing when to push the button when your GPU and the rest of your PC are on different 'upgrade-schedules.

 

The other issue here is, the GPU market is about to get very interesting with Nvidia, AMD and Intel all about to release their latest and greatest.

 

It might be worth waiting to see what these new cards have to offer and what the used market looks like at the same time or even if there are deals to be had with retailers wanting rid of old inventory.

 

Sorry, probably haven't helped much!

Right now i dont play much but i do plan on playing more game like bo6 and games like that, right now i have a 1920x1080 165hz monitor and im not planning on going to 1440 or 4k so im mostly looking in playing games more smoothly and better fps. Im thinking about just getting a whole new pc it might be cheaper than upgrading seeing how i need to upgrade the motherboard and cpu to handle a better gpu but im not sure about the power supply, it might be better if i change it seeing how im only left with only my case and storage feels like i could just get a new pc and just add my storage into it 

[Barrie]

1 hour ago, Satan_Prometheus said:

This isn't a bad build but personally I don't feel like it's enough of a boost over OP's current build to be worth spending money on. The 3060 isn't even a 50% performance upgrade over the 1660 Super and they'd still be upgrading to parts that are several generations old (or almost several generations old in the case of the GPU).

 

I'd personally recommend that OP waits until they can upgrade to at least an RX 7600 with a 7700 XT-tier GPU or better, which should provide over double the gaming performance in many scenarios.

I feel the same way if im going to upgrade i want to upgrade my pc so it can perform way better not just a little bit better either the 40 series or an amd gpu but i dont really understand the difference between nvidia and amd, i cant seem to understand which is better than which, i also have to consider the price difference i think where i live pc parts especially gpus are more expensive than America/ Canada 

[Barrie]

4 hours ago, Why_Me said:

Unlike AM4, Intel LGA-1200 struggles with four sticks of RAM due to the memory controller. You can always sell your existing RAM.

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Z790-WIFI-DDR4-Motherboard-Multi-Key/dp/B0D2RL4PT6/   

GIGABYTE Z790 S WIFI DDR4 AED501.03

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Intel-i5-12400F-6xxChipset-Processor-BX8071512400F/dp/B09NPJRDGD/  

Intel Core i5-12400F AED429.14

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Thermalright-Assassin-Aluminium-Heatsink-Technology/dp/B09SD5F996/  

Thermalright Assassin X120 Refined SE CPU Cooler AED79.52

 

https://www.amazon.ae/memory-3200-32GB-GSkill-Aegis/dp/B07YV6DKJK/   

G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 AED201.16

 

https://www.amazon.ae/MSI-GeForce-VENTUS-NVIDIA-GDDR6/dp/B08WHJFYM8/   

MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12GB Video Card AED1,039.00

 

Total: AED2249.85

I just went to a shop near where i live a 4060ti is like 1,400-1,500AED i think if i get a 40 series it wont be its full potential with the cpu and motherboard that i have thats why im in the middle of buying a new pc or just upgrade mine, at this point im just confused at what to do.

[Ha-Satan]

32 minutes ago, Barrie said:

I feel the same way if im going to upgrade i want to upgrade my pc so it can perform way better not just a little bit better either the 40 series or an amd gpu but i dont really understand the difference between nvidia and amd, i cant seem to understand which is better than which, i also have to consider the price difference i think where i live pc parts especially gpus are more expensive than America/ Canada 

Nvidia has better ray tracing performance and better gaming features with DLSS. Nvidia also generally has superior performance in production applications which use GPU acceleration, but this isn't universal. Nvidia also tends to get preferential treatment in terms of supported features in games (due to there being a lot more Nvidia cards in the market) and also, in my experience, tends to get "new game ready" drivers out for new games quicker than AMD on average.

 

On the other hand, AMD tends to have better rasterized (that is, non-raytraced) performance for the money, and also typically offers more VRAM than Nvidia  for the same price point.

 

So the question is really this - is having more VRAM or having a better feature set going to be more important in the future? I personally think that the better feature set is probably going to matter more, so I still lean towards buying Nvidia, but I absolutely could be wrong about this. So I don't think there's really a "wrong" choice when it comes to Nvidia vs. AMD - that is, if you are looking at the 4070/7800 XT performance tier, or higher.

 

Below the performance tier of the 4070 and 7800 XT, AMD is the obvious winner at every price point (at least in the US - I don't know how it shakes out in your country).

 

Keep in mind that new GPUs from both Nvidia and AMD will be coming out in the next few months (and Intel, though I don't recommend any of the new Intel GPUs for you as they won't be a big enough performance increase). So you should probably wait before buying anything.

 

 

[BahnStormer]

You don't mention resolution or game types. 

 

This makes a huge difference!

 

See my "TV rig" build in my signature: I had a GTX1660S on that AM4 rig until very recently.... the upgrade that I did 18 months ago (Ryzen7 2700X to 5800X3D) meant that I could run even 4K games such as Fortnite in 4K performance mode (low graphics) and pretty much anything I wanted in 1080P with fairly high settings.... that card is actually really good, provided you don't exceed the 6Gb GDDR6 VRAM buffer.

 

I would advise the CPU for now, then the GPU once the new ones come out in early 2025:
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($84.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $363.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-12-05 05:12 EST-0500

 

This will leave you ~$600 for a GPU at a later date: either one of the new ones.... or use the inevitable price drop to older kit when the new releases hit.... if nothing else it will get something like a 7900XT / RTX4070TiS down into your price range (RX7800XT / RX7900GRE is already in budget range).

 

If you think that a $900-$1000 spend will get you an equivalent build, then let me know... but I seriously doubt it.

 

 

[Barrie]

3 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

You don't mention resolution or game types. 

 

This makes a huge difference!

 

See my "TV rig" build in my signature: I had a GTX1660S on my old AM4 rig until very recently.... the upgrade that I did 18 months ago (Ryzen7 2700X to 5800X3D) meant that I could run even 4K games such as Fortnite in 4K performance mode (low graphics) and pretty much anything I wanted in 1080P with fairly high settings.... that card is actually really good, provided you don't exceed the 6Gb GDDR6 VRAM buffer.

 

I would advise the CPU for now, then the GPU once the new ones come out in early 2025:
 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($178.99 @ Newegg) 
Motherboard: ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($84.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $363.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-12-05 05:12 EST-0500

 

This will leave you ~$600 for a GPU at a later date: either one of the new ones.... or use the inevitable price drop to older kit when the new releases hit.... if nothing else it will get something like a 7900XT / RTX4070TiS down into your price range (RX7800XT / RX7900GRE is already in budget range).

 

If you think that a $900-$1000 spend will get you an equivalent build, then let me know... but I seriously doubt it.

 

 

For resolution its 1920x1080 165hz monitor, for the games right now i dont play much due to university, but i do plan on playing bo6, val, fortnite.. etc, basically fps games i want my build to run smoothly on games like these and get better fps, not really into amazing graphics seeing how im mostly going to run them not low/ medium since i wont really be looking at the graphics in fps games. 
i found on amazon a asus tuf rtx 4070 super 12GB OC for 2,500 AED which is about 680 USD, im not sure if its good for that price if it is i could probably work on getting it and get a cpu and motherboard that would work great with it, still looking if i can find a better deal if there is one.

[Why_Me]

*edit

[Barrie]

10 minutes ago, Satan_Prometheus said:

Nvidia has better ray tracing performance and better gaming features with DLSS. Nvidia also generally has superior performance in production applications which use GPU acceleration, but this isn't universal. Nvidia also tends to get preferential treatment in terms of supported features in games (due to there being a lot more Nvidia cards in the market) and also, in my experience, tends to get "new game ready" drivers out for new games quicker than AMD on average.

 

On the other hand, AMD tends to have better rasterized (that is, non-raytraced) performance for the money, and also typically offers more VRAM than Nvidia  for the same price point.

 

So the question is really this - is having more VRAM or having a better feature set going to be more important in the future? I personally think that the better feature set is probably going to matter more, so I still lean towards buying Nvidia, but I absolutely could be wrong about this. So I don't think there's really a "wrong" choice when it comes to Nvidia vs. AMD - that is, if you are looking at the 4070/7800 XT performance tier, or higher.

 

Below the performance tier of the 4070 and 7800 XT, AMD is the obvious winner at every price point (at least in the US - I don't know how it shakes out in your country).

 

 

I found a asus tuf 4070 super 12GB OC for about 680 USD on amazon if its a good deal i could find a good motherboard and cpu that would work great with the gpu, if its a bad deal im still looking if i can find great deals.

 

[Why_Me]

https://www.amazon.ae/Z790-WIFI-DDR4-Motherboard-Multi-Key/dp/B0D2RL4PT6/   

GIGABYTE Z790 S WIFI DDR4 AED501.03

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Intel-i5-12400F-6xxChipset-Processor-BX8071512400F/dp/B09NPJRDGD/  

Intel Core i5-12400F AED429.14

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Thermalright-Assassin-Aluminium-Heatsink-Technology/dp/B09SD5F996/  

Thermalright Assassin X120 Refined SE CPU Cooler AED79.52

 

https://www.amazon.ae/memory-3200-32GB-GSkill-Aegis/dp/B07YV6DKJK/   

G.Skill Aegis DDR4-3200 32GB (2x16GB) CL16 AED201.16

 

https://www.amazon.ae/XFX-Speedster-Radeon-Graphics-RX-68XTAQFD9/dp/B09NM7WMXG/

XFX Speedster SWFT 319 AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT CORE 16GB AED1,459.00

 

https://www.amazon.ae/Corsair-RM750e-Modular-Silent-Supply/dp/B0BVL2CTX4/

Corsair RM750e (2023) ATX 3.0 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply AED378.34  

 

Total: AED3048.19

[BahnStormer]

17 hours ago, Barrie said:

i found on amazon a asus tuf rtx 4070 super 12GB OC for 2,500 AED

If you can hold off, I expect that there will be 4070TiS cards getting close to $600 by February , once the 5000 series is out.

 

My previous recommendation:

17 hours ago, BahnStormer said:

PCPartPicker Part List

And then see where the GPU prices settle middle of Q1 next year.

 

You should be okay with that GPU and your current PSU and my proposed Ryzen 5 7600 CPU (32Mb L3 cache and decent 6 core gaming CPU).

 

Your PSU will struggle with most of the i5 or higher  builds (i5's can hit 250W when gaming vs 65W peak for the Ryzen 5's - on the CPU alone!) - certainly a worry once you add a modern GPU that need 200-300W too.

 

The RTX4070S is only a 220W GPU with roughly RX6900XT performance.... and the RTX4070TiS is still within your current power budget limit on any Ryzen 5  or something efficient like a 7000 (without PBO!) or 7800X3D (120W in theory, seldom over 80W when gaming)...

 

Note that some higher clock speed CPU's (7700X or 9800X3D) can push up towards the 180W range, although unlikely to hit those levels when gaming.

 

The RX6800XT / RX6900XT are great options for the money, but they will ramp your budget up by an extra 350-400AED, so better to spend the money on a more power-efficient GPU?

 

I know it probably seems bizarre with me touting GPU efficiency, but I learned this the hard way (my main gaming rig has a RTX3080Ti), so I'm very cautious about putting a 300W GPU into a case now... especially as I know it regularly pulls 350W+ every day during gaming... my limits were more thermal than power.... but I'm still cautious!

[Barrie]

9 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

If you can hold off, I expect that there will be 4070TiS cards getting close to $600 by February , once the 5000 series is out.

 

My previous recommendation:

And then see where the GPU prices settle middle of Q1 next year.

 

You should be okay with that GPU and your current PSU and my proposed Ryzen 5 7600 CPU (32Mb L3 cache and decent 6 core gaming CPU).

 

Your PSU will struggle with most of the i5 or higher  builds (i5's can hit 250W when gaming vs 65W peak for the Ryzen 5's - on the CPU alone!) - certainly a worry once you add a modern GPU that need 200-300W too.

 

The RTX4070S is only a 220W GPU with roughly RX6900XT performance.... and the RTX4070TiS is still within your current power budget limit on any Ryzen 5  or something efficient like a 7000 (without PBO!) or 7800X3D (120W in theory, seldom over 80W when gaming)...

 

Note that some higher clock speed CPU's (7700X or 9800X3D) can push up towards the 180W range, although unlikely to hit those levels when gaming.

 

The RX6800XT / RX6900XT are great options for the money, but they will ramp your budget up by an extra 350-400AED, so better to spend the money on a more power-efficient GPU?

 

I know it probably seems bizarre with me touting GPU efficiency, but I learned this the hard way (my main gaming rig has a RTX3080Ti), so I'm very cautious about putting a 300W GPU into a case now... especially as I know it regularly pulls 350W+ every day during gaming... my limits were more thermal than power.... but I'm still cautious!

I found on amazon a ryzen 5 7600x it was cheaper than a ryzen 5 7600 on newegg i can get that cpu with your recommended motherboard: asrock b650m-h, with 32GB ram and i could wait until later if the prices get better i will get a gpu and a power supply together. The ryzen 5 7600x with the ram and motherboard total for about 400 USD, if you think its worth it let me know and also thank you so much for the help i really appreciate you talking time out of your day to help me and explain everything to me.

[BahnStormer]

RAM:

 

Which RAM? (in that bundle)

 

DDR5 6000MT/sec is highly recommended for AM5... ideally CL30 (or lower).

 

I ask this because you're not quoting the spec, which makes me think it isn't advertised and most motherboard memory bundles are either low speed or high latency (often both!!) as they assume that people who don't know better will just see "32Gb" and the price... then not scrutinize the rest.

DDR5 6000 is really key to aim for.

 

CL30 is normally the sweet spot. CL36 is passable, but you need to be making BIG savings as CL36 is already 20% less responsive than CL30, which isn't great for gaming.

 

CPU:

 

Ryzen 5 7600 is often around the same price as the 7600X because the version that is ~2% slower (7600) also comes with a CPU cooler included.

 

If you are wanting to buy an aftermarket cooler anyway, then a 7600X is the sensible choice.

 

If you are wanting to save money, then the 7600 is VERY close in performance and will save you $20-$40 as you won't need to buy a cooler.

 

If your budget has $20 wiggle room, then a 7600X + Darkrock PX4 (<$20 on Amazon) is definitely faster.... but remember, only 2% faster....

 

PSU: 650W is FINE for a R5 7600X + RTX4070TiS... save you money and get a more efficient GPU - it only might start to become an issue if you wanted to go with an Intel 12/13/14 gen build or if you found a bargain on an older, faster, but less efficient card like a RX6900 or RTX3080Ti (!)....

 

Generally:

In terms of where you allocate that last $20.... I would rather people spent the extra $20 on DDR5 6000 CL30 ram, rather than scrimping and getting some some sketchy DDR5 5600 CL40 RAM kit, just so they have a 7600X instead of 7600... the faster RAM that will make WAY more than 2% difference in any game!

[Barrie]

1 hour ago, BahnStormer said:

RAM:

 

Which RAM? (in that bundle)

 

DDR5 6000MT/sec is highly recommended for AM5... ideally CL30 (or lower).

 

I ask this because you're not quoting the spec, which makes me think it isn't advertised and most motherboard memory bundles are either low speed or high latency (often both!!) as they assume that people who don't know better will just see "32Gb" and the price... then not scrutinize the rest.

DDR5 6000 is really key to aim for.

 

CL30 is normally the sweet spot. CL36 is passable, but you need to be making BIG savings as CL36 is already 20% less responsive than CL30, which isn't great for gaming.

 

CPU:

 

Ryzen 5 7600 is often around the same price as the 7600X because the version that is ~2% slower (7600) also comes with a CPU cooler included.

 

If you are wanting to buy an aftermarket cooler anyway, then a 7600X is the sensible choice.

 

If you are wanting to save money, then the 7600 is VERY close in performance and will save you $20-$40 as you won't need to buy a cooler.

 

If your budget has $20 wiggle room, then a 7600X + Darkrock PX4 (<$20 on Amazon) is definitely faster.... but remember, only 2% faster....

 

PSU: 650W is FINE for a R5 7600X + RTX4070TiS... save you money and get a more efficient GPU - it only might start to become an issue if you wanted to go with an Intel 12/13/14 gen build or if you found a bargain on an older, faster, but less efficient card like a RX6900 or RTX3080Ti (!)....

 

Generally:

In terms of where you allocate that last $20.... I would rather people spent the extra $20 on DDR5 6000 CL30 ram, rather than scrimping and getting some some sketchy DDR5 5600 CL40 RAM kit, just so they have a 7600X instead of 7600... the faster RAM that will make WAY more than 2% difference in any game!

The ram is a teamgroup 32GB 6000mhz cl30 and for a cooler i already have one on my current build i could reuse it. I will also look for a deal on a good gpu i dont think i will get like a 3080 because i want to get a really good difference from my current build.

ram:

 

i have a small problem with the motherboard the asrock b650m-h on amazon will be delivered at the end of January and i dont want to wait that long and on newegg i have to pay 200AED for delivery which will make it expensive and not worth it, i will try to find another one.

i found this motherboard: 

 

[BahnStormer]

A cautious "yes" and and emphatic "NO!!!!".

 

Decent spec on the RAM: I have not got personal experience with that hardware, so no my explicit recommendation, but DDR5 is mostly all the same SK Hynix chips and normally performs to spec, provided you're buying the right spec (which you are!).

 

Avoid that motherboard... or any ASUS budget boards!

 

It might be okay with a 7600 and no overclock, but probably will be struggle with any future CPU upgrade (e.g. a 9800X3D in a couple of years).

 

The Asus B650 budget boards all throttle down performance (about 35% in the case the Prime B650-Plus) and STILL hit 112-116C on a 7950X Cinebench stress test, so those VRM are really, really poor!

 

Try for the Asrock one that I linked (ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) ) - it's cheaper and has MUCH better quality components: over 30% faster on that Cinebench stress test AND 30C cooler, so will be more stable.

 

The GTX1660S is still a very respectable GPU.... and great value when I bought mine at the £220/$230 MSRP exactly 5 years ago!!!!  .... but the upgrade to a RTX3080Ti for 1440P high refresh gaming was a very noticeable step up (it's much closer to a RTX3090 than the RTX3080).

 

Over 3x faster according to Techpowerup: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1660-super.c3458

 

The RTX4080S was measurably faster in some tests (4x on that same Techpowerup scale), but hardly noticeable compared to the 3080Ti... and only in a handful of games, hence why I moved that to my TV rig and went back to the RTX3080Ti my main gaming rig.

 

The 3080Ti actually has faster memory, by about 25% (730Gb/sec vs >920Gb/sec).... but just less of it (16Gb vs 12Gb), so they trade blows in a lot of games until you start trying for advanced ray tracing / upscaling / frame gen, where the newer card pulls well ahead, but I don't use any of those for my games.

 

The RTX3080 is 10Gb and 760Gb/sec, so would be all-round slower, but would still leave you CPU-limited for 1080P gaming!

 

They're all very capable cards though: arguably the faster RAM in the 3080Ti should be better on the 4K screen, but I just figured that there's a 120Hz limit on that, so my priority was 1% lows and the 16Gb card was less likely to hit a VRAM limit, plus the upscaling should be better on the 4000 series card, if I ever bother using that.

[Barrie]

1 hour ago, BahnStormer said:

A cautious "yes" and and emphatic "NO!!!!".

 

Decent spec on the RAM: I have not got personal experience with that hardware, so no my explicit recommendation, but DDR5 is mostly all the same SK Hynix chips and normally performs to spec, provided you're buying the right spec (which you are!).

 

Avoid that motherboard... or any ASUS budget boards!

 

It might be okay with a 7600 and no overclock, but probably will be struggle with any future CPU upgrade (e.g. a 9800X3D in a couple of years).

 

The Asus B650 budget boards all throttle down performance (about 35% in the case the Prime B650-Plus) and STILL hit 112-116C on a 7950X Cinebench stress test, so those VRM are really, really poor!

 

Try for the Asrock one that I linked (ASRock B650M-H/M.2+ Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($99.99 @ Amazon) ) - it's cheaper and has MUCH better quality components: over 30% faster on that Cinebench stress test AND 30C cooler, so will be more stable.

 

The GTX1660S is still a very respectable GPU.... and great value when I bought mine at the £220/$230 MSRP exactly 5 years ago!!!!  .... but the upgrade to a RTX3080Ti for 1440P high refresh gaming was a very noticeable step up (it's much closer to a RTX3090 than the RTX3080).

 

Over 3x faster according to Techpowerup: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1660-super.c3458

 

The RTX4080S was measurably faster in some tests (4x on that same Techpowerup scale), but hardly noticeable compared to the 3080Ti... and only in a handful of games, hence why I moved that to my TV rig and went back to the RTX3080Ti my main gaming rig.

 

The 3080Ti actually has faster memory, by about 25% (730Gb/sec vs >920Gb/sec).... but just less of it (16Gb vs 12Gb), so they trade blows in a lot of games until you start trying for advanced ray tracing / upscaling / frame gen, where the newer card pulls well ahead, but I don't use any of those for my games.

 

The RTX3080 is 10Gb and 760Gb/sec, so would be all-round slower, but would still leave you CPU-limited for 1080P gaming!

 

They're all very capable cards though: arguably the faster RAM in the 3080Ti should be better on the 4K screen, but I just figured that there's a 120Hz limit on that, so my priority was 1% lows and the 16Gb card was less likely to hit a VRAM limit, plus the upscaling should be better on the 4000 series card, if I ever bother using that.

My problem with your recommended motherboard ( asrock b650m-h) i just searched it and where i live turns out its another version the one i found on amazon is the asrock b650m-hdv and it would take like 2 months to get it delivered same on newegg. Not sure if they both are the same or not but i went to multiple shops aswell and couldnt find a shop that sells that type of motherboard they either have asus or msi.

 

i can get the cpu ( ryzen 5 7600x) and the RAM ( teamgroup 32GB 6000mhz cl30) it will be delivered in 2 to 3 days all i would have left would be the motherboard.

 

As for the gpu i will to look how much an rtx 3080ti is on amazon it takes my whole budget and i couldnt find any on newegg, sadly its very hard to find anything where i live.

[BahnStormer]

just pick a motherboard out of that list that doesn't hit >90C on the VRMs.... there's plenty of respectable budget boards on that list

 

 

[Barrie]

22 minutes ago, BahnStormer said:

just pick a motherboard out of that list that doesn't hit >90C on the VRMs.... there's plenty of respectable budget boards on that list

 

 

So i found 2 motherboards 

 

1:

asus tuf b650m plus

(which is 66 on the list)

 

2:

msi mag b650 tomahawk

(which is 67 on the list)

 

They both cost about the same the asus one is a bit cheaper but previously you told me to stay away from asus motherboards so i guess i will go with the msi one, again thank you so much for your help.

[BahnStormer]

Most of the Asus TUF models are really good in terms of VRMs  - check that your one is on that list, I think it is.... Asus is really good toward the upper end of the market, it's just their budget stuff that is often "too budget".... that said, they are not my preference right now as I had some bad recent experiences with the ROG software being repeatedly loaded onto my TUF X570 (AM4) and causing stability issues, even though I had the "load Armoury Crate software disabled" in BIOS - it was still loading a LOT of junk and causing stability problems.

 

MAG B650 Tomahawk is also good on the VRMs - probably my preference of the two if those are the only two you can find.... I am a little wary as MSI seem very "non committal" on their AMD support right now, so not sure how good they will be on future BIOS updates.... but historically they have good hardware and I have not heard about any software / BIOS issues - they just seem reluctant to offer AMD products.