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Matpc
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Hi guys good afternoon

well i'm having an extremely bizarre problem and i don't know what to do anymore because i've already changed some parts and the problem persisted

I had a 4070 eagle with an msi mpg b550 and an xpg pylon 650w and randomly when turning on the PC, the motherboard would lock on the GPU light (white VGA light).

this usually indicates a problem with the GPU

i replaced the motherboard with a tuf b550 and the problem persisted

i ended up returning the eagle and got a 4070 super windforce on sale and the problem persisted

i went there again and swapped the xpg 650w for a core reactor 650w and it still persisted

all that's left is the CPU (which I highly doubt, I've never damaged it, dropped it etc or bent pins) or the RAM (tested several times on memtest86 and it never shows any errors).

If it was the CPU or the RAM, wouldn't it point to the respective light on the motherboard rather than always stopping at the VGA?

I also swapped the sata SSD for an m2 one just to be on the safe side and it's still there.

I don't know if it's worth changing it (or if it's really bad luck that it's the CPU or the RAM).

RAM and CPU have never given me any problems before, and I've never overclocked them or anything like that (the 5700x3d is even locked for overclocking).

Anyway, I've never looked into it

I have 4 3200mhz team group cards (native speed, I've always used this speed and it's never crashed).

That's what's most bizarre, when the PC turns on I literally have no problems.

i have an ultragear connected to the VGA by display port cable ( with a 90 degree adapter on the monitor , also no problems on the monitor)

and samsung 4k bu8000 tv connected by an HDMI 2.0 cable directly, without adapters(no problems as well)

I have an orico bluetooth dongle (I suspect it may be freaking the motherboard on boot), a redragon keyboard (dragonborn switch brown), a logitech g305 (I use the logitech extension cable and dongle) and a corsair hs65 surround headset.

All the devices work perfectly when the PC is turned on (this failure to post happens once a month or so, randomly without any pattern).

Could it be the gpu cable that's damage maybe (HDMI or dp)?

I connect the tv to my own power strip (quality one, which is also connected to the router).

and on the pc I have another power strip (I connect the monitor and the pc to it).

I don't know what else to do, is there something wrong or a detail?

is there a possibility that the computer case is doing it ? the power button always passes power, the fans turn on etc but sometimes it stops at the white light of the VGA, I have to press reset on the case and it turns on

or is it possible that the line filter is causing this?

I think it's impossible to go through 2 ssds, 2 motherboards, 2 gpus and 2 power supplies with the same behavior.

where should i try to solve it? thanks

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14 minutes ago, Matpc said:

Hi guys good afternoon

well i'm having an extremely bizarre problem and i don't know what to do anymore because i've already changed some parts and the problem persisted

I had a 4070 eagle with an msi mpg b550 and an xpg pylon 650w and randomly when turning on the PC, the motherboard would lock on the GPU light (white VGA light).

this usually indicates a problem with the GPU

i replaced the motherboard with a tuf b550 and the problem persisted

i ended up returning the eagle and got a 4070 super windforce on sale and the problem persisted

i went there again and swapped the xpg 650w for a core reactor 650w and it still persisted

all that's left is the CPU (which I highly doubt, I've never damaged it, dropped it etc or bent pins) or the RAM (tested several times on memtest86 and it never shows any errors).

If it was the CPU or the RAM, wouldn't it point to the respective light on the motherboard rather than always stopping at the VGA?

I also swapped the sata SSD for an m2 one just to be on the safe side and it's still there.

I don't know if it's worth changing it (or if it's really bad luck that it's the CPU or the RAM).

RAM and CPU have never given me any problems before, and I've never overclocked them or anything like that (the 5700x3d is even locked for overclocking).

Anyway, I've never looked into it

I have 4 3200mhz team group cards (native speed, I've always used this speed and it's never crashed).

That's what's most bizarre, when the PC turns on I literally have no problems.

i have an ultragear connected to the VGA by display port cable ( with a 90 degree adapter on the monitor , also no problems on the monitor)

and samsung 4k bu8000 tv connected by an HDMI 2.0 cable directly, without adapters(no problems as well)

I have an orico bluetooth dongle (I suspect it may be freaking the motherboard on boot), a redragon keyboard (dragonborn switch brown), a logitech g305 (I use the logitech extension cable and dongle) and a corsair hs65 surround headset.

All the devices work perfectly when the PC is turned on (this failure to post happens once a month or so, randomly without any pattern).

Could it be the gpu cable that's damage maybe (HDMI or dp)?

I connect the tv to my own power strip (quality one, which is also connected to the router).

and on the pc I have another power strip (I connect the monitor and the pc to it).

I don't know what else to do, is there something wrong or a detail?

is there a possibility that the computer case is doing it ? the power button always passes power, the fans turn on etc but sometimes it stops at the white light of the VGA, I have to press reset on the case and it turns on

or is it possible that the line filter is causing this?

I think it's impossible to go through 2 ssds, 2 motherboards, 2 gpus and 2 power supplies with the same behavior.

where should i try to solve it? thanks

Try using just 2 sticks of RAM and see if that changes anything. That should let you know if it is a RAM stability issue. Sometimes a BIOS update can fix things but you might have to do a BIOS downgrade while using 4 sticks of RAM. I am able to run 4 sticks of RAM but every time I have tried doing a BIOS update I had stability issues. So I had to go back to the BIOS version that the MSI motherboard was shipped with. Also something to look at. Did the RAM come in a 4 stick matching kit or do you have 2 kits of 2 equaling 4 sticks? If you have 2 RAM kits take a look at the numbers printed on the sticker of the RAM. Match the numbers together and place one stick into Slot A-2 and the other into Slot B-2 and test it out and then when you test out all 4 sticks make sure the other kit numbers match and place them into Slot A-1 and Slot B-1. That being said if you have 2 kits of RAM. 

 

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10 minutes ago, BillBill said:

Try using just 2 sticks of RAM and see if that changes anything. That should let you know if it is a RAM stability issue. Sometimes a BIOS update can fix things but you might have to do a BIOS downgrade while using 4 sticks of RAM. I am able to run 4 sticks of RAM but every time I have tried doing a BIOS update I had stability issues. So I had to go back to the BIOS version that the MSI motherboard was shipped with. Also something to look at. Did the RAM come in a 4 stick matching kit or do you have 2 kits of 2 equaling 4 sticks? If you have 2 RAM kits take a look at the numbers printed on the sticker of the RAM. Match the numbers together and place one stick into Slot A-2 and the other into Slot B-2 and test it out and then when you test out all 4 sticks make sure the other kit numbers match and place them into Slot A-1 and Slot B-1. That being said if you have 2 kits of RAM. 

 

I´m tempted to buy 2 identical 3200 16gb sticks

 

but i´m not sure if this is the problem

 

can it be the ram even when it passes on motherboard check as well as memtest86?

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12 minutes ago, Matpc said:

still 2 psus , 2 mobos , 2 gpus same problem

You'll need to test out your RAM you currently have. First test with one stick of RAM then test out 2 sticks if they are a matching kit. If none of the RAM sticks are matching that can be an indicator of the instability. A matching kit has much better success with stability. Pairing 2 kits of 2 is still possible to have decent stability if placed into the correct slots. The ideal setting is to have all of them matching.      

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3 minutes ago, BillBill said:

You'll need to test out your RAM you currently have. First test with one stick of RAM then test out 2 sticks if they are a matching kit. If none of the RAM sticks are matching that can be an indicator of the instability. A matching kit has much better success with stability. Pairing 2 kits of 2 is still possible to have decent stability if placed into the correct slots. The ideal setting is to have all of them matching.      

not doubting you but i´ve used these rams for a long time ( over 2 years in the mobo ) and it just started happening

 

i just can´t understand why it wouldn´t stop at cpu , dram if the ram was the culprit

 

or even after succesful boots , the pc works fine 0 problem

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2 minutes ago, Matpc said:

not doubting you but i´ve used these rams for a long time ( over 2 years in the mobo ) and it just started happening

 

i just can´t understand why it wouldn´t stop at cpu , dram if the ram was the culprit

 

or even after succesful boots , the pc works fine 0 problem

Sometimes BIOS updates fix problems and sometimes they create them. 

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