What does that mean?

[Manas Lad]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-A620M-E/Specification

What does "Supports x4 (For Ryzen™ 5 8500G processor)" mean? Do they mean 4 PCIE lanes out of 16 for my GPU?

[Average Nerd]

1 minute ago, Manas Lad said:

Do they mean 4 PCIE lanes out of 16 for my GPU?

Yes.

Just a heads up, the 8500G is not a good CPU for the money, so don't buy it.

[Van is Livid]

Yeah definitely do not get a 8500g for a desktop, they are practically laptop cpus packaged for desktop. Get a 7500f or 7600 if you are looking for a cpu.

[Needfuldoer]

The Ryzen 8500G has fewer PCIe lanes to go around than other processors in its generation, because it has integrated graphics. 

[leclod]

3 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

because it has higher end integrated graphics

 

[Agall]

15 minutes ago, Van is Livid said:

Yeah definitely do not get a 8500g for a desktop, they are practically laptop cpus packaged for desktop. Get a 7500f or 7600 if you are looking for a cpu.

8600G and 8700G are the same. 8500G just uses a strange Zen4+Zen4c die that I haven't really found a laptop counterpart to. 8600G/8700G use the same 178mm^2 die as the 7840U/8840U/7940HS, etc.

 

5 minutes ago, Needfuldoer said:

The Ryzen 8500G has fewer PCIe lanes to go around than other processors in its generation, because it has integrated graphics. 

8500G is just strange overall, but it does have significantly less lanes than even the 8600G/8700G, which have less than proper MCM Ryzen CPUs like the 7700x.

 

20 minutes ago, Average Nerd said:

Yes.

Just a heads up, the 8500G is not a good CPU for the money, so don't buy it.

I almost bought one earlier this week, but the 8600G was only $20 more, so I went with that instead. Better compromise between CPU and iGPU performance compared to an R5 7600, which are quite expensive right now comparably. Not for a gaming machine FYI.

[Agall]

3 minutes ago, leclod said:

 

Its not even as simple as that, its a whole different die layout. The G series use the monolithic dies that are also on laptop SKU CPUs. 8500G is even different from the latter being some strange Zen4+Zen4c die, like a precursor to the HX 370.

[igormp]

4 minutes ago, Agall said:

that I haven't really found a laptop counterpart to.

That'd be the 7545U:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-5-7545U-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.780678.0.html

6 minutes ago, Agall said:

Its not even as simple as that, its a whole different die layout. The G series use the monolithic dies that are also on laptop SKU CPUs. 8500G is even different from the latter being some strange Zen4+Zen4c die, like a precursor to the HX 370.

It's Phoenix 2, I has a way smaller die overall, with less area for IO as well (hence why it only has 14 PCIe lanes in total).

[Agall]

6 minutes ago, igormp said:

That'd be the 7545U:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-5-7545U-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.780678.0.html

It's Phoenix 2, I has a way smaller die overall, with less area for IO as well (hence why it only has 14 PCIe lanes in total).

Yup, precisely, the same 137mm^2 die. The 8500G's uniqueness was new to me until earlier this week when I was looking at it for an office PC replacement (the R5 7600 has been expensive). 

 

Even then, I only discovered a few months ago the commonality of the die used in the 8000G, 7000U, 7000H, 7000HS. Just something I never stopped to look into.

 

Even then, my favorite are the mini PCs with the X series 'chipset', aka, it doesn't have one, and its only expansion is the IOD/uncore.

[Manas Lad]

Thank you guys. Well the problem is that you guys know India and PC Parts. So every move must be monitored and checked properly before leaping.