About AMD Upgrade path

[Sern]

I'm wondering about what motherboard series A,B and X would be best to utilize AMD's upgrade path capabilities.

 

For those who have used AM4 motherboards such as A320, B350, and X570 and initially paired them with first-generation Ryzen processors, did you upgrade to the 5000 series (e.g., R5 5600, R7 5800, R9 5950X, and the new X3D chips) using the same motherboard without experiencing performance loss? Or did you find it necessary to purchase a new motherboard as well?

 

If someone built a low-budget PC with a B350 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 1600X and a GPU like the GTX 1060 or RX 580, would they be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600X and RTX 3060 or RX 6600XT while keeping the same motherboard without performance loss? Furthermore, what if the same B350 motherboard were used to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X and a higher-end GPU for multimedia and content creation purposes? Would this setup maintain performance without requiring a new motherboard?

 

Investing in AM5 having a B650 motherboard paired with a 7600 then waiting for the last gen CPU line up maybe 10800x3d/11800x3d will that be a good plan? 

I don't think buying a X series motherboard is the right answer since if I don't need their extra features and they're more expensive than B series its not worth the money  I guess X series will have no problems handling any CPU AMD will release is that the same case with x370?

 

A series motherboard should we even consider this as an option? if A320 paired with 1st generation Ryzen and suddenly you want to upgrade your CPU to 5000 series will that be a wise choice? I guess this goes with A620 boards since AMD is know for its upgrade capabilities people would think that they can pair a future CPU to these boards aswell would that be a mistake to do since you would have performance loss?

 

Does buying the 1st gen motherboards would be a good way to invest in AMD maybe we could say that "Will I be Future proof with any motherboard series I get A,B and X mobos?" 

I heard a lot with reviewers that this a selling point against Intel since you don't need to buy a motherboard you only need to buy a Cpu and your good to go

 

Thanks For Reading got me curious about it If there's something wrong with how I think on stuff pls enlighten me

(used a bit of ChatGPT to make it less confusing)

 

 

 

 

[jaslion]

3 minutes ago, Sern said:

B350 motherboard were used to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X and a higher-end GPU for multimedia and content creation purposes? Would this setup maintain performance without requiring a new motherboard?

A lot of older 300 series boards had underpowered vrms which did impaxt 8 core and up performance. A fair few b350 and x370's had trouble with a 1800x already.

 

If you had a good vrm board you can just use whatever cpu you want.

 

All a320's stand no chance on handling a 12 or 16 core its just too much as their vrms are too crap.

 

Are 300 and 400 series boards missing some features? Yes. Does it matter for gaming? Not at all. The ONLY card that shows a 5% difference usually on pcie 3.0 x16 vs 4.0 is a 4090. Which well what are you doing using a 300 series board when you can put 2000$ on a gpu.

 

Of the a620's theres 2 that can do higher power cpu's somewhat ok but like a b650 ds3h can do all of em no sweat and is 130$ or so. So yeah dont cheap out too much and youll be fine.

 

Cant even use 3.0 nvme drives even remotely close fully so yeah dont matter one bit storage wise and gpu's have only just now started needing 4.0 ans thats for only one card.

 

 

[podkall]

7 minutes ago, Sern said:

For those who have used AM4 motherboards such as A320, B350, and X570 and initially paired them with first-generation Ryzen processors, did you upgrade to the 5000 series (e.g., R5 5600, R7 5800, R9 5950X, and the new X3D chips) using the same motherboard without experiencing performance loss? Or did you find it necessary to purchase a new motherboard as well?

that depends on the Motherboard you get, regardless of chipset sometimes

 

7 minutes ago, Sern said:

If someone built a low-budget PC with a B350 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 1600X and a GPU like the GTX 1060 or RX 580, would they be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600X and RTX 3060 or RX 6600XT while keeping the same motherboard without performance loss? Furthermore, what if the same B350 motherboard were used to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X and a higher-end GPU for multimedia and content creation purposes? Would this setup maintain performance without requiring a new motherboard?

the most realistic low-budget pathing of AM4 would be some weak Ryzen CPU with budget dirt B450, but good enough that it can upgrade into 5600 Ryzen,

 

my motherboard was the cheapest I could buy, B450, I was running 3 1200 Ryzen on it, I upgraded to 5600 no problem, just needed to update bios beforehand, the problem is my motherboard probably won't support anything faster than 5600 thermal wise, or maybe yes but not on all-core load, might be decent for gaming

 

but that's just low budget in general, where you have comprimises

 

10 minutes ago, Sern said:

Investing in AM5 having a B650 motherboard paired with a 7600 then waiting for the last gen CPU line up maybe 10800x3d/11800x3d will that be a good plan? 

if you pick a good B650, it can power a CPU hungrier than current 7950x AM5 CPU,

 

it's good to note also that the more powerful current CPU you buy, you will also have less need to upgrade later anyways, which could be true about 7600, 7600 is similar in performance to 5800x3D, and not everyone has that CPU and are completely fine.

 

13 minutes ago, Sern said:

I don't think buying a X series motherboard is the right answer since if I don't need their extra features and they're more expensive than B series its not worth the money  I guess X series will have no problems handling any CPU AMD will release is that the same case with x370?

 

A series motherboard should we even consider this as an option? if A320 paired with 1st generation Ryzen and suddenly you want to upgrade your CPU to 5000 series will that be a wise choice? I guess this goes with A620 boards since AMD is know for its upgrade capabilities people would think that they can pair a future CPU to these boards aswell would that be a mistake to do since you would have performance loss?

 

Does buying the 1st gen motherboards would be a good way to invest in AMD maybe we could say that "Will I be Future proof with any motherboard series I get A,B and X mobos?" 

I heard a lot with reviewers that this a selling point against Intel since you don't need to buy a motherboard you only need to buy a Cpu and your good to go

 

Thanks For Reading got me curious about it If there's something wrong with how I think on stuff pls enlighten me

(used a bit of ChatGPT to make it less confusing)

 

 

I don't think you need the history/compatibility/etc. around AMD to have a good system that could last you a big while,

 

we got you covered here if you're interested into that.

 

Of course we can explain to you, but it's not like it's going to be useful knowing this information.

[venomtail]

Sure, taking into consideration the generation of the motherboard and its tier is important but you must also not forget about the quality of the board. There were plenty of barebones B550 boards that had worse VRM's than a A520 board.

 

In general if you want the best chances of a board supporting future CPU's, higher end board will likely have higher chances of supporting future features but that's still a gamble. My top tier X470 didn't get PCIE 4.0 support where as lower tiered X470's and B450's did...

[GuiltySpark_]

40 minutes ago, Sern said:

For those who have used AM4 motherboards such as A320, B350, and X570 and initially paired them with first-generation Ryzen processors, did you upgrade to the 5000 series (e.g., R5 5600, R7 5800, R9 5950X, and the new X3D chips) using the same motherboard without experiencing performance loss? Or did you find it necessary to purchase a new motherboard as well?

You left out X370 and X470. You'd never see someone bother buying an X570 when it was new and keep their old 1st gen ryzen. Maybe with X370. 

 

A common theme to most of your questions revolves around decoupling your idea (and many people's idea) that the chipset itself is what determines a boards performance and ability to handle more powerful CPU's. It simply isn't, not at all. A320 (if the specific board in question has a BIOS for it) can handle an Ryzen 3 1200 to a Ryzen 9 5950x. What is going to potentially be problematic in that specific case would be the VRM. Can the board properly power the 5950x and keep the VRM cool. If the older board does have a proper VRM, say in the case of an X370 Taichi, you could have used that through all generations of Ryzen on AM4 without an issue.

41 minutes ago, Sern said:

If someone built a low-budget PC with a B350 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 1600X and a GPU like the GTX 1060 or RX 580, would they be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600X and RTX 3060 or RX 6600XT while keeping the same motherboard without performance loss?

Sure. Again, assuming the specific B350 board they have is suitable for higher power chips. Though, a 5600/5600x isn't difficult to support. 

41 minutes ago, Sern said:

Furthermore, what if the same B350 motherboard were used to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X and a higher-end GPU for multimedia and content creation purposes? Would this setup maintain performance without requiring a new motherboard?

See above.

41 minutes ago, Sern said:

Investing in AM5 having a B650 motherboard paired with a 7600 then waiting for the last gen CPU line up maybe 10800x3d/11800x3d will that be a good plan? 

A good B650 board (and most of them are.. good) should see you through Zen4, Zen5, probably Zen6 and if we're really lucky a gen beyond that. AM5 boards, the ones you'd like to buy, are mostly very well built from a VRM perspective. 

41 minutes ago, Sern said:

I don't think buying a X series motherboard is the right answer since if I don't need their extra features and they're more expensive than B series its not worth the money  I guess X series will have no problems handling any CPU AMD will release is that the same case with x370?

Rarely does an X series board make sense unless you absolutely need the I/O options it opens up for you.

41 minutes ago, Sern said:

A series motherboard should we even consider this as an option? if A320 paired with 1st generation Ryzen and suddenly you want to upgrade your CPU to 5000 series will that be a wise choice?

A series boards, at least currently, lock out PBO and therefore Curve Optimizer undervolting. They aren't an option for me due to this. As for the rest of your question, I think by now its been made clear how that works.

[Why_Me]

59 minutes ago, Sern said:

I'm wondering about what motherboard series A,B and X would be best to utilize AMD's upgrade path capabilities.

 

For those who have used AM4 motherboards such as A320, B350, and X570 and initially paired them with first-generation Ryzen processors, did you upgrade to the 5000 series (e.g., R5 5600, R7 5800, R9 5950X, and the new X3D chips) using the same motherboard without experiencing performance loss? Or did you find it necessary to purchase a new motherboard as well?

 

If someone built a low-budget PC with a B350 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 1600X and a GPU like the GTX 1060 or RX 580, would they be able to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600X and RTX 3060 or RX 6600XT while keeping the same motherboard without performance loss? Furthermore, what if the same B350 motherboard were used to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5950X and a higher-end GPU for multimedia and content creation purposes? Would this setup maintain performance without requiring a new motherboard?

 

Investing in AM5 having a B650 motherboard paired with a 7600 then waiting for the last gen CPU line up maybe 10800x3d/11800x3d will that be a good plan? 

I don't think buying a X series motherboard is the right answer since if I don't need their extra features and they're more expensive than B series its not worth the money  I guess X series will have no problems handling any CPU AMD will release is that the same case with x370?

 

A series motherboard should we even consider this as an option? if A320 paired with 1st generation Ryzen and suddenly you want to upgrade your CPU to 5000 series will that be a wise choice? I guess this goes with A620 boards since AMD is know for its upgrade capabilities people would think that they can pair a future CPU to these boards aswell would that be a mistake to do since you would have performance loss?

 

Does buying the 1st gen motherboards would be a good way to invest in AMD maybe we could say that "Will I be Future proof with any motherboard series I get A,B and X mobos?" 

I heard a lot with reviewers that this a selling point against Intel since you don't need to buy a motherboard you only need to buy a Cpu and your good to go

 

Thanks For Reading got me curious about it If there's something wrong with how I think on stuff pls enlighten me

(used a bit of ChatGPT to make it less confusing)

https://www.techspot.com/guides/2669-amd-ryzen-x670-b650-a620-motherboards/

[Sern]

10 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

You left out X370 and X470. You'd never see someone bother buying an X570 when it was new and keep their old 1st gen ryzen. Maybe with X370. 

Oh I miss type it 

 

10 hours ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

What is going to potentially be problematic in that specific case would be the VRM.

I saw it in a video with hardware unboxed on 1 of his AMD motherboard lineups that VRM is the main factor and it got me thinking about it.I guess I should start first on understanding what are vrm and vrm phases how much amps can it handle since I dont have any idea about it the only thing I can guess is higher number=better right now and then after it I can choose which motherboard offers not overkill VRM but decent VRM  thats its appropriate of the CPU's Im planning to use

 

 

Thank you for all the Information!
 

[Sern]

11 hours ago, jaslion said:

Are 300 and 400 series boards missing some features? Yes. Does it matter for gaming? Not at all. The ONLY card that shows a 5% difference usually on pcie 3.0 x16 vs 4.0 is a 4090. Which well what are you doing using a 300 series board when you can put 2000$ on a gpu.

Ohh I guess people can still upgrade to 40 series or maybe 50 series even if they only have gen3 speeds since its not much performance loss on it maybe like having a 5600x/5800x with 5060/5070 would be nice with gen 3 pcie 

 

[Sern]

11 hours ago, venomtail said:

Sure, taking into consideration the generation of the motherboard and its tier is important but you must also not forget about the quality of the board. There were plenty of barebones B550 boards that had worse VRM's than a A520 board.

 

In general if you want the best chances of a board supporting future CPU's, higher end board will likely have higher chances of supporting future features but that's still a gamble. My top tier X470 didn't get PCIE 4.0 support where as lower tiered X470's and B450's did...

ohh thats concerning I guess you cant just blindly buy at the shop and just say B is better than A

[jaslion]

5 hours ago, Sern said:

Ohh I guess people can still upgrade to 40 series or maybe 50 series even if they only have gen3 speeds since its not much performance loss on it maybe like having a 5600x/5800x with 5060/5070 would be nice with gen 3 pcie 

 

There is no performance loss. There is ONE gaming gpu that shows 5% sometimes and its a 4090 something that even the amazing 5800x3d will struggle to drive fully sometimes.

 

Also id its for gaming one really should get a 5700x3d or 5800x3d as they are far ahead of the normal ones gaming wise and are competitive with cpu's released after them.

 

5 hours ago, Sern said:

ohh thats concerning I guess you cant just blindly buy at the shop and just say B is better than A

Also keep in mind there is no guarantee you'll get new features. 400 series boards basically happened to be releasing during the transition period of 3.0 to 4.0 and there were controllers implemented on some boards that technically could do 4.0 but didnt have the firmware for it since the cpu's at the time couldn't. Since these chips were bythen amongst the most cost effective a lot of 400 series boards ended up by chance havig the 4.0 spec for some ports. However depending on how it was implemented it could mean that even if they had the neccesary chips it couldnt work.

 

Basically just a happened to be there but if you didnt plan for it ahead or didnt accidentally do things right you couldnt eventually get pcie 4.0. Which also wasnt a guarantee from amd out either.

 

So yeah dont buy stuff for potential features.

 

Also know that for storage we only recently FINALLY are seeing a TINY difference between sata ssds and nvme 3.0 ssds. But well the nvme ones are 5x+ faster and they are pretty much not under load as well as the sata drives whilst being slower in tests its almosy not noticable irl.

 

So yeah dont go like OH I NEED 5.0 BECAUSE YA DONT.