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10 minutes ago, porina said:

Budget (including currency): Don't want to put a figure down, but I want stability, features and performance (in that priority order) without going excessive in spending

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming focus - resolution/quality over fps.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

I've been kicking my X299 system (see sig) to keep it going and I've had enough. It works but I want to return to higher end gaming performance and can simplify requirements by dropping productivity considerations out of the equation. I'm coming into some money soon so this seems a good time. Did debate waiting for Zen 5 but I can always swap CPU later.

 

Already have: 4070, will update next gen. Currently 1440p 144 Hz G-Sync native display, looking to move to 4k in future.

Already decided on: 7800X3D

 

Need:

ATX mobo - should have 2.5gbe included, wifi nice extra but not essential. PCIe 5.0 support for GPU preferred (requires "Extreme" chipset?). More M.2 slots better.

Cooler - Air, low noise

Ram - 2x 32GB should suffice, should be 2R modules, doesn't need to be insane speed. Stability over performance.

PSU - High efficiency unit preferred. Should have headroom for more powerful CPUs and GPUs in future. Currently using 850W units in various systems and around that should be ok.

SSD - 2TB with DRAM PCIe 4.0 model will suffice initially (what's the 980 Pro of today? 990 Pro? Alternatives?). No DRAM-less or HMB. I can add lower tier for bulk storage later.

Case is personal choice so I'll look myself separately. Still, would welcome suggestions on ATX towers with high airflow. Window not necessary.

That's what I would get 🙂

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (£36.29 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F GAMING WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (£214.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (£223.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (£149.99 @ AWD-IT)
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III ATX Mid Tower Case  (£139.00 @ Computer Orbit)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£117.80 @ NeoComputers)
Total: £881.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-04-26 11:03 BST+0100

 

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Great  !

That's more or less the build I wanted to get by end 23, now got some more dough so will go full blast 7950X3D/X670E Strix or Aorus Master, because why not ? 😉

I had severe conflicts of what I wanted to build and that was only resolved by deciding that this build was going to be gaming focused. I'm not building one system to do everything so that takes a lot of the feature pressure off. I decided my current system is still good enough for "productivity" and will get demoted as such. 

 

Watch me change my mind again when Arrow Lake is released 😄 (if Zen 5 is good at least I can drop it in)

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, RTX 4070, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, random 1080p + 720p displays.
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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5 minutes ago, porina said:

I had severe conflicts of what I wanted to build and that was only resolved by deciding that this build was going to be gaming focused. I'm not building one system to do everything so that takes a lot of the feature pressure off. I decided my current system is still good enough for "productivity" and will get demoted as such. 

 

Watch me change my mind again when Arrow Lake is released 😄 (if Zen 5 is good at least I can drop it in)

Sure it'll be a nice gaming rig !

I just was not very happy to get from 12 to 8 cores when I can get 16 and the 3D cache thingie 🙂

Then if the board can last a couple generation more Pcie Gen5 on X670E can be justified for 100 bucks  more, so...

System : AMD R9 5900X / Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 / ASUS TUF Gaming AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX OC Edition GPU/ Phanteks P600S case /  Eisbaer 280mm AIO (with 2xArctic P14 fans) / 2TB Crucial T500  NVme + 2TB WD SN850 NVme + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/  Alienware AW3420DW 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse / Audeze Maxwell headphones

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3 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

I just was not very happy to get from 12 to 8 cores when I can get 16 and the 3D cache thingie 🙂

Then if the board can last a couple generation more Pcie Gen5 on X670E can be justified for 100 bucks  more, so...

That was my problem. I would have been going from 18 cores to 8, which is too big a drop even if they are 8 really fast cores. For multiple reasons I didn't want the 2 CCD parts, 3D or not.

 

Decided against X670E in the end. I don't really need the extra PCIe lanes or USB ports for a gaming system. I don't overclock nowadays either so if they have better power delivery doesn't matter, especially with how low the 7800X3D goes in normal use.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, RTX 4070, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, random 1080p + 720p displays.
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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1 minute ago, porina said:

That was my problem. I would have been going from 18 cores to 8, which is too big a drop even if they are 8 really fast cores. For multiple reasons I didn't want the 2 CCD parts, 3D or not.

 

Decided against X670E in the end. I don't really need the extra PCIe lanes or USB ports for a gaming system. I don't overclock nowadays either so if they have better power delivery doesn't matter, especially with how low the 7800X3D goes in normal use.

What do you have against the 2 CCD design ? With an I9 you really have 1 pack of 8 fast cores then a bunch of slower ones that can't really game, with 7950X3D you have 2 powerful packs of 8 cores, one optimized for gaming, looks better...

I hesitated for a  long time going X670E that indeed look useless, but what in 2-3 years  ? We may have PCie5 affordable drives and  PCie5 GPU as well.. I like premium things that last 🙂

System : AMD R9 5900X / Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO/ 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance 3600CL18 / ASUS TUF Gaming AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX OC Edition GPU/ Phanteks P600S case /  Eisbaer 280mm AIO (with 2xArctic P14 fans) / 2TB Crucial T500  NVme + 2TB WD SN850 NVme + 4TB Toshiba X300 HDD drives/ Corsair RM850x PSU/  Alienware AW3420DW 34" 120Hz 3440x1440p monitor / Logitech G915TKL keyboard (wireless) / Logitech G PRO X Superlight mouse / Audeze Maxwell headphones

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6 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

What do you have against the 2 CCD design ? With an I9 you really have 1 pack of 8 fast cores then a bunch of slower ones that can't really game, with 7950X3D you have 2 powerful packs of 8 cores, one optimized for gaming, looks better...

My i9 is a bit older than that. I have 18 fast cores, for their time at least. My biggest gripe with multiple CCD CPUs is that they introduce uncertainty in how software behaves with it. I don't know if things have improved much over time, but 7800X3D means you don't have to worry about Windows or whatever putting work where it isn't optimal. For some of my other interest areas, I know they love unified data. With multiple CCD designs, I have to treat them as two smaller CPUs, not one unified one. At best I can configure around on a case by case basis, but I don't want to deal with that. If money was no objective my ideal current CPU would be Sapphire Rapids workstation. Fast cores, monolithic-like behaviour. By removing those uses cases from the system consideration, it simplifies things massively and 7800X3D becomes an easy choice.

 

6 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

I hesitated for a  long time going X670E that indeed look useless, but what in 2-3 years  ? We may have PCie5 affordable drives and  PCie5 GPU as well.. I like premium things that last 🙂

B650E also supports PCIe 5.0. That door remains open to me if I choose to use it within its lifespan.

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, RTX 4070, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, random 1080p + 720p displays.
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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To end this thread, parts have arrived. Build time!

Gaming system: R7 7800X3D, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming Wifi, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB, Corsair Vengeance 2x 32GB 6000C30, RTX 4070, MSI MPG A850G, Fractal Design North, Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut
Productivity system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, 64GB ram (mixed), RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, random 1080p + 720p displays.
Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible

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