bottleneck Is there a way to know how much bottleneck I might get?

[Millios]

I've been tinkering with a build, mainly switching CPUs and GPUs, and im afraid about getting bottlenecked hard. is there a way to check without using crossrefrencing or one of the BS calculators?

[Tetras]

Not really, because it depends on the game, settings and the resolution, so nobody can just say, here's your bottleneck: "17.5%".

 

Videos like this are the "real data" when they compare multiple CPUs/GPUs:

 

 

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, Millios said:

I've been tinkering with a build, mainly switching CPUs and GPUs, and im afraid about getting bottlenecked hard. is there a way to check without using crossrefrencing or one of the BS calculators?

Compare your CPU/GOU combos in actual performance in the same use case (game), and extrapolate.  Also watch comparison reviews and scale down if you have a much worse GPU or CPU they're using.

 

It's a lot of getting to know how each component performs via reviews and benchmarks.

 

Edit: I am probably not saying it as clearly here as it's in my head, sorry.

 

 

[Wardus]

What hardware are you planning on using? The calculators are, as you said, pretty BS. 

[OddOod]

A bottleneck will always depend on usecase. If you want to get a real answer you need to do a variety of benchmarks (3-5 times each) some which stress the GPU more than the CPU, some which stress the GPU more than the CPU. You have to do that for every configuration. Then you take all those numbers, slap them in a big spreadsheet, and do some honestly reasonably basic statistics (normalize and compare). Then you get numbers which will show where performance dropoff starts for each component and you can come up with a reasonable metric for bottlenecking any combo of two components. 

[Millios]

7 minutes ago, Wardus said:

What hardware are you planning on using? The calculators are, as you said, pretty BS. 

The Build I've settled on for now (cause later this year new stuff and sales are coming) is this  https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NL4TxH

[Millios]

12 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

Compare your CPU/GOU combos in actual performance in the same use case (game), and extrapolate.  Also watch comparison reviews and scale down if you have a much worse GPU or CPU they're using.

 

It's a lot of getting to know how each component performs via reviews and benchmarks.

 

Edit: I am probably not saying it as clearly here as it's in my head, sorry.

 

 

I see. So its better to see either combo reviews or see the specs and how the meassure up to each other is what your saying?

 

[GuiltySpark_]

You have a latest gen Ryzen 7000 series chip, a CPU bottleneck shouldn't even be something you're considering unless you triple your GPU budget and at that point, you'd likely be at a resolution where it wouldn't matter.  Please don't worry about things that don't matter, especially if you don't really understand the concept. 

[Millios]

15 minutes ago, Tetras said:

Not really, because it depends on the game, settings and the resolution, so nobody can just say, here's your bottleneck: "17.5%".

 

Videos like this are the "real data" when they compare multiple CPUs/GPUs:

 

 

In case there isnt a specific combo i want is it a good alternative to see the spec breakdown for both and see how compatible they are? Or would it differ from actual tests?

 

[Millios]

1 minute ago, GuiltySpark_ said:

You have a latest gen Ryzen 7000 series chip, a CPU bottleneck shouldn't even be something you're considering unless you triple your GPU budget and at that point, you'd likely be at a resolution where it wouldn't matter.  Please don't worry about things that don't matter, especially if you don't really understand the concept. 

I do understand the concept of bottleneck and cause it might hinder me for future jobs ill need the PC for im asking. Cause i have worked with and will likely work with Files and programms where 2K or 4K resolution will be needed as well as high FPS

[GuiltySpark_]

1 minute ago, Millios said:

I do understand the concept of bottleneck and cause it might hinder me for future jobs ill need the PC for im asking. Cause i have worked with and will likely work with Files and programms where 2K or 4K resolution will be needed as well as high FPS

If we're talking about gaming where this matters at all, this reply enforces the point that you don't really fully grasp the concept. There is always a bottleneck in performance. If you're getting 160fps, there is something preventing you from achieving 161fps. If you had no bottleneck, fps in games would be unlimited. 

 

What you want to shoot for is for that bottleneck to not be the CPU, otherwise your GPU can't get data fast enough to work to its full potential. 

 

You have a 4060 listed and it doesn't take a ton to fully support that. A Ryzen 7600 is the latest generation (at least until later this year with Ryzen 9000) and won't be a problem in nearly any titles at 1440p and 4K. 

 

Now, if you moved to a 4090 and were for some reason still using a 1080p display, that would pose a problem. 

[Dedayog]

12 minutes ago, Millios said:

I see. So its better to see either combo reviews or see the specs and how the meassure up to each other is what your saying?

 

Yes.  Unless you can find multiple reviews with your EXACT setup,  you'll have to compile information from various sources.