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55 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

So what kind of load would i need to run for it to reach 5200MHz

 

I'm unsure of the minimum amount necessary for it to reach 5200MT/s as I haven't done a ton of experimenting with it (it's fairly common for desktops where I have most of my experience to have power down mode disabled as the power savings it offers are insignificant compared to 200W+ CPUs and GPUs), plus the minimum load will likely vary based on the BIOS and microcode version, but having the system at full load, especially a memory sensitive load, will cause it to go to 100%. 

image.thumb.png.ccd88cfea7dd4db364152fd61aafe675.pngWhy  are these values different ?

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8 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

image.thumb.png.ccd88cfea7dd4db364152fd61aafe675.pngWhy  are these values different ?

Yes and no, what windows is displaying is incorrect, RAM does not run at 5200MHz currently. MHz are oscillations or ticks that the RAM is timed by and DDR (Double Data Rate) RAM makes 2 transfers per tick, so your RAM is running as advertised at 5200MT/s (megatransfers per second)

 

Its a bit confusing as people dont use the correct terms for it, however,

 

What ram do you have as it seems to be running, well, awfully?

System specs:

 

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 7800X3D [-30 PBO all core]

GPU: Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT NITRO+ [1050mV, 2.8GHz core, 2.6Ghz mem]

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL32 DDR5

Storage: 2TB SN850X, 1TB SN850 w/ heatsink, 500GB P5 Plus (OS Storage)

Case: 5000D AIRFLOW

Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140

PSU: Corsair RM850e

 

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8 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Yes and no, what windows is displaying is incorrect, RAM does not run at 5200MHz currently. MHz are oscillations or ticks that the RAM is timed by and DDR (Double Data Rate) RAM makes 2 transfers per tick, so your RAM is running as advertised at 5200MT/s (megatransfers per second)

 

Its a bit confusing as people dont use the correct terms for it, however,

 

What ram do you have as it seems to be running, well, awfully?

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3 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

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Ah a laptop, that explains the strange speed and timings, should be okay then, someone with more RAM knowledge might be able to give you more info, but RAMs not something Im super knowledgeable about

System specs:

 

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 7800X3D [-30 PBO all core]

GPU: Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT NITRO+ [1050mV, 2.8GHz core, 2.6Ghz mem]

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL32 DDR5

Storage: 2TB SN850X, 1TB SN850 w/ heatsink, 500GB P5 Plus (OS Storage)

Case: 5000D AIRFLOW

Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140

PSU: Corsair RM850e

 

PCPartPicker List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QYLBh3

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4 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Ah a laptop, that explains the strange speed and timings, should be okay then, someone with more RAM knowledge might be able to give you more info, but RAMs not something Im super knowledgeable about

Ok i'll check my bios though if it has xmp

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6 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

Ok i'll check my bios though if it has xmp

Id say its running at XMP as a JEDEC 5200MT/s would be very very high

 

See if you cant increase the MHz and/or lower the CAS Latency (CL) basically the higher the MHz and lower CL the better the RAM

 

5600CL34 is worse than 6000CL34 which is worse than 6000CL30

System specs:

 

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 7800X3D [-30 PBO all core]

GPU: Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT NITRO+ [1050mV, 2.8GHz core, 2.6Ghz mem]

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL32 DDR5

Storage: 2TB SN850X, 1TB SN850 w/ heatsink, 500GB P5 Plus (OS Storage)

Case: 5000D AIRFLOW

Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140

PSU: Corsair RM850e

 

PCPartPicker List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QYLBh3

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8 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

Id say its running at XMP as a JEDEC 5200MT/s would be very very high

 

See if you cant increase the MHz and/or lower the CAS Latency (CL) basically the higher the MHz and lower CL the better the RAM

 

5600CL34 is worse than 6000CL34 which is worse than 6000CL30

I just checked there is no xmp setting

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42 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

Why  are these values different ?

99.7576 BCLK x 26 memory multiplier

1 minute ago, Owais345 said:

I just checked there is no xmp setting

If its the ram the laptop came with its running jedec. You can get 2x16gb kits up to 6400mhz - Like these: https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-Impact-2x16GB-KF564S38IBK2-32/dp/B0C3J1GC17

I would go for 6000mhz as most likely wont be able to utilize 6400mhz anyway: https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Technology-Impact-2x16GB-KF560S38IBK2-32/dp/B0C3HS9JVQ

CPU: Ryzen 5800X3D | Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 Elite V2 | RAM: G.Skill Aegis 2x16gb 3200 @3600mhz | PSU: EVGA SuperNova 750 G3 | Monitor: LG 27GL850-B , Samsung C27HG70 | 
GPU: Red Devil RX 7900XT | Sound: Odac + Fiio E09K | Case: Fractal Design R6 TG Blackout |Storage: MP510 960gb and 860 Evo 500gb | Cooling: CPU: Noctua NH-D15 with one fan

FS in Denmark/EU:

Asus Dual GTX 1060 3GB. Used maximum 4 months total. Looks like new. Card never opened. Give me a price. 

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12 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

I just checked there is no xmp setting

So you payed for a laptop with ddr5 ram but stays at barely ddr4 speeds oof

idk if this is the case but my laptop is in a similar situation so imma wait for someone more knowledgeable in this.

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45 minutes ago, Hellowpplz said:

So you payed for a laptop with ddr5 ram but stays at barely ddr4 speeds oof

idk if this is the case but my laptop is in a similar situation so imma wait for someone more knowledgeable in this.

Anyone that i shoud tag

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Just now, Owais345 said:

Anyone that i shoud tag

no clue

I edit my messages more than not –

Probably some dude on the internet

 

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1 minute ago, Owais345 said:

Anyone that i shoud tag

Most knowledgable person i know for RAM is @RONOTHAN##, would you know anything about laptop RAM Ronothan?

System specs:

 

 

CPU: Ryzen 7 7800X3D [-30 PBO all core]

GPU: Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT NITRO+ [1050mV, 2.8GHz core, 2.6Ghz mem]

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI

RAM: G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB 32GB 6000MHz CL32 DDR5

Storage: 2TB SN850X, 1TB SN850 w/ heatsink, 500GB P5 Plus (OS Storage)

Case: 5000D AIRFLOW

Cooler: Thermalright Frost Commander 140

PSU: Corsair RM850e

 

PCPartPicker List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/QYLBh3

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59 minutes ago, Hellowpplz said:

So you payed for a laptop with ddr5 ram but stays at barely ddr4 speeds oof

DDR4 runs at 1066-1800 MHz usually, 2133-3600 MT/s. You can get faster kits but they aren't the most common. DDR5 is running more than twice DDR4's base JEDEC spec - granted, it has lower CAS latency. DDR4 generally runs at C14-C18, DDR5 runs at closer to C30-40.

DDR1 ran at C1-C2! C1.5 kits were common.

 

15 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

Anyone that i shoud tag

If your laptop BIOS doesn't have an XMP setting, for it to run faster, you'll need to find a kit that has the base JEDEC profile running at the speed you'd like (so without any XMP/DOCP/EXPO whatever profiles, that's the speed it will run at. Most DDR4 kits ran at 2133, a few did 2666). There is not a good way to determine what this will be until you buy it. You can look around online but info like this is not typically documented from what I've seen.

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1 hour ago, WhitetailAni said:

DDR4 runs at 1066-1800 MHz usually, 2133-3600 MT/s. You can get faster kits but they aren't the most common. DDR5 is running more than twice DDR4's base JEDEC spec - granted, it has lower CAS latency. DDR4 generally runs at C14-C18, DDR5 runs at closer to C30-40.

DDR1 ran at C1-C2! C1.5 kits were common.

 

If your laptop BIOS doesn't have an XMP setting, for it to run faster, you'll need to find a kit that has the base JEDEC profile running at the speed you'd like (so without any XMP/DOCP/EXPO whatever profiles, that's the speed it will run at. Most DDR4 kits ran at 2133, a few did 2666). There is not a good way to determine what this will be until you buy it. You can look around online but info like this is not typically documented from what I've seen.

 

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5 hours ago, Owais345 said:

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The memory is soldered to the board according to that screenshot, which means there really isn't anything you can do to get higher memory speeds or anything like that. 5200MT/s CL60 is very slow, but there really isn't anything you could do about it. 

 

3 hours ago, TatamiMatt said:

would you know anything about laptop RAM Ronothan?

Enough to get by. The big thing to know is that with the exception of a few high end gaming laptops, it's extremely locked down with no settings you can mess with to get better performance. For a machine like this with soldered RAM, I'd be shocked if there were any settings in the BIOS to tweak RAM, let alone XMP or something like that to get 6000+. 

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6 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

The memory is soldered to the board according to that screenshot, which means there really isn't anything you can do to get higher memory speeds or anything like that. 5200MT/s CL60 is very slow, but there really isn't anything you could do about it. 

 

Enough to get by. The big thing to know is that with the exception of a few high end gaming laptops, it's extremely locked down with no settings you can mess with to get better performance. For a machine like this with soldered RAM, I'd be shocked if there were any settings in the BIOS to tweak RAM, let alone XMP or something like that to get 6000+. 

So I'm stuck with barely ddr4 speeds

 

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Just now, Owais345 said:

So I'm stuck with barely ddr4 speeds

 

I just noticed that the clock is slower at times and faster at times. Left: current, minimum, max
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22 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

So I'm stuck with barely ddr4 speeds

 

I wouldn't call 5200 DDR4 speeds, it's very much DDR5 territory, it's just slow for DDR5. 

 

20 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

I just noticed that the clock is slower at times and faster at times. Left: current, minimum, max
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That's power down mode where it drops the frequency to save power. The moment you go to do anything it will wake up and run at the full 2600MHz or 5200MT/s

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So what kind of load would i need to run for it to reach 5200MHz

2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I wouldn't call 5200 DDR4 speeds, it's very much DDR5 territory, it's just slow for DDR5. 

 

That's power down mode where it drops the frequency to save power. The moment you go to do anything it will wake up and run at the full 2600MHz or 5200MT/s

 

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55 minutes ago, Owais345 said:

So what kind of load would i need to run for it to reach 5200MHz

 

I'm unsure of the minimum amount necessary for it to reach 5200MT/s as I haven't done a ton of experimenting with it (it's fairly common for desktops where I have most of my experience to have power down mode disabled as the power savings it offers are insignificant compared to 200W+ CPUs and GPUs), plus the minimum load will likely vary based on the BIOS and microcode version, but having the system at full load, especially a memory sensitive load, will cause it to go to 100%. 

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1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'm unsure of the minimum amount necessary for it to reach 5200MT/s as I haven't done a ton of experimenting with it (it's fairly common for desktops where I have most of my experience to have power down mode disabled as the power savings it offers are insignificant compared to 200W+ CPUs and GPUs), plus the minimum load will likely vary based on the BIOS and microcode version, but having the system at full load, especially a memory sensitive load, will cause it to go to 100%. 

Ok, I'll look it up online. Thanks for the help

 

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