Is this a good computer?

[CodKid1710]

Budget (including currency):  $800

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Minecraft, Roblox, Small neural networks, Programing, War Thunder

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fqjfCd

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($229.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($106.66 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 (2024) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Corsair K60 RGB Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $775.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-21 08:20 EST-0500

 

Is this a good PC for 800 dollars?

 

I could upgrade later with a dedicated GPU if I wanted later right?

 

[TatamiMatt]

30 minutes ago, CodKid1710 said:

Budget (including currency):  $800

Country: US

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Minecraft, Roblox, Small neural networks, Programing, War Thunder

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fqjfCd

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 8600G 4.3 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($229.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory  ($106.66 @ Amazon) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($64.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop Mini Air MicroATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 (2024) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Keyboard: Corsair K60 RGB Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $775.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-21 08:20 EST-0500

 

Is this a good PC for 800 dollars?

 

I could upgrade later with a dedicated GPU if I wanted later right?

 

Definitely try to get 6000CL30 RAM if youre trying to use an APU, itll provide a decent performance boost as it will lower the latency of both the DRAM and the RAM being used as VRAM

[CodKid1710]

ok, I did that, the same ram that I was using had a diffrent version for 30CL for the same price

[TatamiMatt]

1 minute ago, CodKid1710 said:

ok, I did that, the same ram that I was using had a diffrent version for 30CL for the same price

I think thats pretty decent as it is then but im not too knowledgable on APU builds so, youve got my go ahead but id wait to get a second (or, well, third) opinion on it too

[CodKid1710]

1 minute ago, TatamiMatt said:

I think thats pretty decent as it is then but im not too knowledgable on APU builds so, youve got my go ahead but id wait to get a second (or, well, third) opinion on it too

ok

[TatamiMatt]

10 minutes ago, CodKid1710 said:

ok

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J67XpB

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 8700G 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($329.00 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($149.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($92.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($61.70 @ Amazon) 
Case: Thermaltake Versa H18 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($78.99 @ Best Buy) 
Keyboard: Corsair K60 RGB Pro Wired Gaming Keyboard  ($54.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $817.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-02-21 09:11 EST-0500

 

This will be a pretty significant upgrade. Much better graphical processor on top of an extra 2 cpu cores clocked at a higher speed, I did have to switch out the majority of other parts to get this but there was no real downgrades to performance, SSD is a touch slower but not by a noticeable amount, different RAM but same speed, different PSU and case also

[Somerandomtechyboi]

6000 is incredibly slow for an apu so id reccomend buying some team elite 5600c46 or whatever 6400c32 bin if team elite 5600c46 is unavailable or overpriced and tune the rams to 9000-10000 ddr5 and dont forget to overclock the igpu

 

But i wouldnt reccomend an apu due to the halved cache, neccesity to tune so you can get actually decent performance, and the fact that a used ~50$ 8gb rx 570/580 will destroy this apu, and if you are thinking about going with an 8700g or something do keep in mind that 100-120$ gets you a used 5700(xt) which performs equal to if not better than a gtx 1080 whilst the 8700g at best will be at the performance of a gtx 1060 and slightly beat the aformentioned used 8gb rx 570/580

 

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bq68sh

12600kf + 6700xt + 32gb 3200c16

 

Only used part here is the gpu at ~200$ for a used 6700xt, going ryzen would have cost about 100$ more considering cpu and ram price even if the b650m hdv is 120$ and probably much better than this z690

 

 

Not optimal just yet since 60$ wasted on a case and you can halve the psu price if you buy used

 

case wise find a cheap 10-20$ case thats decent or maybe even get one for free if you find someone just wanting to throw a case away, psu wise you can buy used rm850x or equivalent psus for 40-60$ (safe because any lemons would have died by the 3-5 year mark though dont buy anything >7 years, expect it to live to 12-15 years as any other psu)

 

This saves enough cash that combined with a used case you can get a used rx 6800 or even a 6800xt/3080 depending on luck with the used market which is alot better than a crappy igpu with an overclock and ddr5 9000-10000 thatd be a 1060 at best for the 8700g and maybe match the rx 580 8gb for the 8600g, or you could also just swap to a ryzen 7600 + b650m hdv + 90-95$ 6000c30/32 rams which is also a good choice especially if you really need the singlecore and its futureproofed (that board has 14 usba + 2 usb c total if you combine rear + internal i/o, vrms thatll handle an oced 7950x, and ddr5 10000+ capability, so dont worry about it not being good enough)

 

Might even be able to find a used z690 board for cheap or a better one for the same price but mileage may vary on that since 1700 isnt like am4 used market wise where a midranger b3/450 like the gaming plus/tomahawk is ~50$ and obliterates all the <100$ b550 boards

 

 

Btw this is coming from someone that will insta prefer amd apus over all else mainly due to being able to run ridicolous ram freq (5000+ ddr4 for cezzane and 10000+ ddr5 for pheonix), i just dont reccomend the apus unless you are an oc nut like me that really likes to run high ram freq, sure theyre fun to overclock and toy around with but not much use to someone that wont be having fun ocing the balls off the apu and the rams

[CodKid1710]

if I were to overclock would an APU be worth it? For overclocking do I need cooler (other than the wraith cooler)

 

I love programming, and overclocking is something I have never done! 

 

Eventually I would probable upgrade the pc to include a used 3080

[CodKid1710]

For ram, do I want it to have AMD expo, or just speed

Is 6800, CL34, good, for 113 dollars, no amd EXPO

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C7zhP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6800-cl34-memory-ff3d532g6800hc34bdc01

[Somerandomtechyboi]

40 minutes ago, CodKid1710 said:

if I were to overclock would an APU be worth it? For overclocking do I need cooler (other than the wraith cooler)

 

I love programming, and overclocking is something I have never done! 

 

Eventually I would probable upgrade the pc to include a used 3080

Worth it as in vs a 7600 that has double the cache (better gaming perf and whatever else relies on cache) + 6000c30/32 xmp that you can one click set and forget? Depends on who you ask but usually no since that 7600 paired with a used rx 580 is still better than an overclocked 8600g with 9000-10000 ddr5

 

Youll want a cooler anyways and theyre not that expensive with the burst assassin at 22$, frost tower 120 (basically pa120) at 32$ and phantom spirit 120 se argb at 36$ (slightly better than the pa120), wraith stealth is dogshit but the wraith prism that you get on the 7700 or 7900 is pretty damn good and will facilitate higher power limits and probs abit of oc (stock power limit at 88w so very efficient out of the box)

 

28 minutes ago, CodKid1710 said:

For ram, do I want it to have AMD expo, or just speed

Is 6800, CL34, good, for 113 dollars, no amd EXPO

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C7zhP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6800-cl34-memory-ff3d532g6800hc34bdc01

Dont waste your money on higher xmp specs

 

5600c46 team elite or hynix/klevv rams are hynix a die based, will hit 10000+ but youll want to tune it straight out of the box due to garbage jedec timings + subtimings for which there are plenty of oc profiles online both 6200-6400 for zen4 cpus and 9000-10000 for the apus but youll have to reference intel profiles unless some ppl uploaded some decent profiles for the zen4 apus that arent just frequency validations

 

6000c30/32 is one click plug and play for zen4 cpus, either hynix m/a die but klevv is likely hynix a die cause its a subdivision of hynix and i think teamgroup/gskill has a preference for hynix a die

 

6400c32 is for guaranteed hynix a die plug and play on intel and likely the amd apus but on amd cpus youll have to tune the imc abit to run 6200-6400 1:1 or just set xmp manually set rams to 6000 and forget, this xmp is for guaranteed hynix a dies and for if you dont wanna start tuning immideatly so itll provide adequate ish performance before you tune

 

Xmps higher than that are worthless as they have a chance to not be plug and play and theyre the same hynix a die, binning doesnt seem to matter that much on a die cause it seems to be a consistent ic so no real diff between a 5600c46 kit and an 8000c34 kit oc capabilities wise, basically you are paying for an xmp that may not work and youll have to tune manually, at that point might aswell get the 5600c46 sticks and manually tune to 9000-10000

 

Btw youll want to delid if you want some decent results on apus since the apus are not soldered which makes delid incredibly easy to do with just a thin blade like youd find on those generic shaving tools to cut the adhesive, expect 20-30c drop at higher ocs as shown in a der8auer video

 

 

8600g for 20$ more than a 7600 is quite compelling for gtx 1050 ish performance stock and probably 1050ti ish perf with oced igpu + 9000-10000 ddr5 since the stopgap (i)gpu is directly integrated into the cpu, and the high speed ddr5 should mitigate the halved cache somewhat

 

but your budget is abit too high for this to be reasonable considering that list i posted thats is all new except used 6700xt which destroys both the 8600g + 8700g even if theyre tuned, drop in a used psu and a used case that 6700xt turns into a 6800 or even a 6800xt/3080, or you can swap the 12600k combo for a 7600 + b650m hdv + 32gb 6000c30/32 ddr5, and if you are near a microcenter you can get a 7700x bundle for 350$ which is cheaper and gets you a 7700x instead of a 7600 though youll want to tune the 7700x cause its out of the box settings are horrifically inefficient

 

so 800$ is either a 12600k + 6700xt mostly new or a 7700x + 6700xt with a used 10-20$ or less/free case + used psu, and the psu can be substituted by budget stretching which is kinda worth it since 90$ gets you an 850w gf1 with a 10 year warranty, or you can budget stretch for a used 6800

[CodKid1710]

but for upgradability?

 

Is the 8600G better? 

 

Or should I go with another AMD cpu?

[CodKid1710]

So for AMD APUs is it better to have faster speed or lower CAS Latency