RTX 3050 + i7-14700k = stupid bottleneck?

[miyuko246]

Hello all!
My dad's pc is nearing its 10 year anniversary, and I am helping him spec out a new one. Other than web browsing, the pc will be used exclusively for 4K video editing. No gaming at all, not even a little. (:c)
TL;DR: Is a rtx 3050 a really bad choice (bottleneck) in combination with a i7-14700k, if the rig will never be used for gaming? Fast render times is not priority no.1 if it means saving a few hundred dollars.

The budget is pretty high, and these are the specs so far:
CPU: Intel i7-14700k
GPU: Asus RTX 3050 8gb
MBO: ASUS Prime Z690-A
RAM: Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 5600MHz
SSD (x2): WD Black SN770 500GB Gen 4
HDD: WD Red PRO 8TB 7200rpm 256MB
Cooler: DeepCool AK400 Zero Dark Plus
PSU: ASUS TUF Gaming 750W Gold
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid

This will total in about $2k, which is about as far as he wants to go. He edits only in Vegas Pro with little GPU acceleration, so I figured allocating more money to RAM and CPU would be better. I still think so, but seeing a 3050 next to an 14700k... it just kind of feels wrong. xd
What do you all think? Is this a good move, or should I balance it out? It will be a massive upgrade anywho; he will be coming from a i7-4770, a gtx 660 and 16gb RAM.

Thank you beforehand!

[PDifolco]

11 minutes ago, miyuko246 said:

Hello all!
My dad's pc is nearing its 10 year anniversary, and I am helping him spec out a new one. Other than web browsing, the pc will be used exclusively for 4K video editing. No gaming at all, not even a little. (:c)
TL;DR: Is a rtx 3050 a really bad choice (bottleneck) in combination with a i7-14700k, if the rig will never be used for gaming? Fast render times is not priority no.1 if it means saving a few hundred dollars.

The budget is pretty high, and these are the specs so far:
CPU: Intel i7-14700k
GPU: Asus RTX 3050 8gb
MBO: ASUS Prime Z690-A
RAM: Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 5600MHz
SSD (x2): WD Black SN770 500GB Gen 4
HDD: WD Red PRO 8TB 7200rpm 256MB
Cooler: DeepCool AK400 Zero Dark Plus
PSU: ASUS TUF Gaming 750W Gold
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid

This will total in about $2k, which is about as far as he wants to go. He edits only in Vegas Pro with little GPU acceleration, so I figured allocating more money to RAM and CPU would be better. I still think so, but seeing a 3050 next to an 14700k... it just kind of feels wrong. xd
What do you all think? Is this a good move, or should I balance it out? It will be a massive upgrade anywho; he will be coming from a i7-4770, a gtx 660 and 16gb RAM.

Thank you beforehand!

3050 is a bad GPU anyway

A 13600K and something like a 6600 will be better and cheaper

[miyuko246]

22 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

3050 is a bad GPU anyway

A 13600K and something like a 6600 will be better and cheaper

That's probably what I would've done, since I game, but I think the extra cores in the i7 will be beneficial for editing, especially since the pc will most likely be used for another 10 years... I'll have a look at a 6600 though, just saw that it isn't that much more expensive over here! Thank youu

[_Omega_]

For 4k video editing id go for a better and larger SSD for sure so you have no problem importing footage so id go for a better SSD.

 

 

and for the CPU, why not get a 7950X? its easily in the 2k budget and is just better than the 14700K in almost every way 

[SorryBella]

50 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

like a 6600

jesus fucking christ read the post

1 hour ago, miyuko246 said:

the pc will be used exclusively for 4K video editing. No gaming at all, not even a little

Unless if OP's dad is on Davinci Resolve, no. I would absolutely run 3060 12GB to air on safe side for what we need to run but really this is quite an overkill for a basic 4K edit. 

 

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CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($369.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Western Digital) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12G GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card  ($289.39 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (1 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1258.22
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Quietly slips into $1300 range. Replace SSD with something bigger or add more.

[PDifolco]

5 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

jesus fucking christ read the post

Unless if OP's dad is on Davinci Resolve, no. I would absolutely run 3060 12GB to air on safe side for what we need to run but really this is quite an overkill for a basic 4K edit. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($369.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($129.99 @ Western Digital) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 3060 Ventus 2X 12G GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 12 GB Video Card  ($289.39 @ Amazon) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (1 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($39.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM650 (2023) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($89.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  ($34.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1258.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Quietly slips into $1300 range. Replace SSD with something bigger or add more.

Good build, but afaik AMD cards are pretty good for video editing on anything not only DR, they s*ck at anything 3D only

And if OP's dad really use DaVinci resolve or such and has a 2K budget he could take a better GPU like a 4070  

 

 

[SorryBella]

3 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

anything

I own 460 and 6700XT on Adobe Premiere.

 

If i have to count every time im somehow "out of VRAM" or driver timeout on a 1080p clip edit ill throw these in the bin in favor of a 3080. Not to mention the heavily inferior OpenCL implementation for video encoding in most platforms.

[miyuko246]

36 minutes ago, _Omega_ said:

For 4k video editing id go for a better and larger SSD for sure so you have no problem importing footage so id go for a better SSD.

 

 

and for the CPU, why not get a 7950X? its easily in the 2k budget and is just better than the 14700K in almost every way 

Just realized I posted the wrong specs for storage. Was thinking of going with one 980 pro 500gb (super fast!) for Windows, and then one WD Black 500gb for current project files, which are then moved to the 8tb HDD (as well as HDDs from current pc).
Regarding the cpu, I have tried over and over again to convice him to go AMD, but he really wants to stick to Intel x'D

23 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

jesus fucking christ read the post

Unless if OP's dad is on Davinci Resolve, no. I would absolutely run 3060 12GB to air on safe side for what we need to run but really this is quite an overkill for a basic 4K edit. 

 

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Wow, might have to look into this alternative! Is 650w really enough? Regarding RAM, he first wanted - and kind of still wants - 128gb DDR5, which I have finally conviced him will not be needed. So, unfortunately going down to 32gb probably won't be possible. I can also understand 64gb, who knows if he does 8K in 5 years...

[miyuko246]

6 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

I own 460 and 6700XT on Adobe Premiere.

 

If i have to count every time im somehow "out of VRAM" or driver timeout on a 1080p clip edit ill throw these in the bin in favor of a 3080. Not to mention the heavily inferior OpenCL implementation for video encoding in most platforms.

Is premiere (and Davinci, if you have any experience with it) GPU heavy during editing? From what I've read, Vegas Pro doesn't use a lot of GPU other than for effects and rendering.

[miyuko246]

Just a question: would a 7600 be a better choice than the 3050? I saw that it's not much more expensive, and it's newer?

[Why_Me]

The 120mm fan goes inside the back of that case for an exhaust fan.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($369.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: *Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  ($33.90 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: *MSI B760 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($159.99 @ B&H) 
Memory: *Silicon Power XPOWER Zenith Gaming 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($179.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Storage: *Crucial P5 Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($55.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: *Crucial MX500 4 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($206.99 @ Adorama) 
Video Card: *Asus DUAL Advanced GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB Video Card  ($449.99 @ ASUS) 
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan  ($8.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1635.81
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[brob]

2 hours ago, miyuko246 said:

Hello all!
My dad's pc is nearing its 10 year anniversary, and I am helping him spec out a new one. Other than web browsing, the pc will be used exclusively for 4K video editing. No gaming at all, not even a little. (:c)
TL;DR: Is a rtx 3050 a really bad choice (bottleneck) in combination with a i7-14700k, if the rig will never be used for gaming? Fast render times is not priority no.1 if it means saving a few hundred dollars.

The budget is pretty high, and these are the specs so far:
CPU: Intel i7-14700k
GPU: Asus RTX 3050 8gb
MBO: ASUS Prime Z690-A
RAM: Corsair 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 5600MHz
SSD (x2): WD Black SN770 500GB Gen 4
HDD: WD Red PRO 8TB 7200rpm 256MB
Cooler: DeepCool AK400 Zero Dark Plus
PSU: ASUS TUF Gaming 750W Gold
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 Solid

This will total in about $2k, which is about as far as he wants to go. He edits only in Vegas Pro with little GPU acceleration, so I figured allocating more money to RAM and CPU would be better. I still think so, but seeing a 3050 next to an 14700k... it just kind of feels wrong. xd
What do you all think? Is this a good move, or should I balance it out? It will be a massive upgrade anywho; he will be coming from a i7-4770, a gtx 660 and 16gb RAM.

Thank you beforehand!

 

Intel is expected to announce locked 14th gen CPU this week. The i7-14700 on a B760 motherboard would likely be a good choice for this use case. I suggest waiting a couple of weeks to evaluate the new options.

 

Comments on the outlined build:

 

A previous gen GPU would be a better choice than the RTX 3050.

 

Faster memory would be better. Depending on the 4K material, it might be okay to get just 2x16GB.

 

The CPU cooler is inadequate for the CPU. A Peerless Assassin 120 SE or AK620 would be better choices.

 

A single larger NVMe drive would be much better. I'd suggest a 2TB unit.

 

A 550W or 650W PSU would offer more than enough capacity for this build.

 

 

[miyuko246]

17 minutes ago, brob said:

 

Intel is expected to announce locked 14th gen CPU this week. The i7-14700 on a B760 motherboard would likely be a good choice for this use case. I suggest waiting a couple of weeks to evaluate the new options.

 

Comments on the outlined build:

 

A previous gen GPU would be a better choice than the RTX 3050.

 

Faster memory would be better. Depending on the 4K material, it might be okay to get just 2x16GB.

 

The CPU cooler is inadequate for the CPU. A Peerless Assassin 120 SE or AK620 would be better choices.

 

A single larger NVMe drive would be much better. I'd suggest a 2TB unit.

 

A 550W or 650W PSU would offer more than enough capacity for this build.

 

 

Thank you so much! This helps a lot. Optimizing things like storage and psu will make it easier to fit a better GPU in the budget.
Thanks to everyone else that helped too!

[QuantumSingularity]

The 3050 is such a waste of sand, the you would be better off putting that money towards a 2nd hand GTX 1080. And no, i'm not talking even about the 1080Ti which can also be found for basically half the price of a 3050.

[SorryBella]

9 hours ago, miyuko246 said:

Is 650w really enough?

Yeah, we are not running the army, most of the power expense is still GPU nowadays. At peak 250W on 13700 and 170W on 3060, we are well below it. I wouldnt run many HDDs in this work system anyway, put them on a NAS for redundancy. 

9 hours ago, miyuko246 said:

and kind of still wants

Keep convincing. Unless if they heavily use the RAM for scratching or using a lot of color correction filters, then you really only need 64 at worst. 128-192GB is still very flaky on DDR5, if they still insist i would rather bump it down to DDR4 until high speed 4 stick support is better.

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Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 128 GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($269.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $429.98
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9 hours ago, miyuko246 said:

Vegas Pro doesn't use a lot of GPU other than for effects and rendering.

Yeah they dont but theyre still mildly CUDA favored. And if your dad uses Adobe suite in any way Nvidia is the only way.