Friends Budget PC

[DoOmS_dAy9]

Budget (including currency):  $800   US currency

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: RainbowSixSeige, various games like Lethal Comapny and Raft, minecraft 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I do not have a parts list but he needs a monitor, mouse and keyboard. We are going to buy relatively soon before christmas. He is upgradign from a PS4. We are not picky about refresh rate and just want it to be smooth. 1080p is fine. He also does not have a lot of space. 

 

[filpo]

44 minutes ago, DoOmS_dAy9 said:

Budget (including currency):  $800   US currency

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: RainbowSixSeige, various games like Lethal Comapny and Raft, minecraft 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I do not have a parts list but he needs a monitor, mouse and keyboard. We are going to buy relatively soon before christmas. He is upgradign from a PS4. We are not picky about refresh rate and just want it to be smooth. 1080p is fine. He also does not have a lot of space. 

 

Welcome to the forum!

Try this build

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($137.69 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 GAMING X V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($95.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($50.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($88.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (3 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $818.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-19 02:27 EST-0500

[coltswagen]

56 minutes ago, filpo said:

Welcome to the forum!

Try this build

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($137.69 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 GAMING X V2 ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($95.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: Silicon Power GAMING 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($50.97 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($88.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card  ($299.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G300A (3 Fan) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($44.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $818.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-19 02:27 EST-0500

personally i would get the i5 12400f its 15 dollars more and offers more performance, you can go cheaper with the mother board the r5 5600 is a great all round chip its great for 1440p but, 1080p is where a bottle neck starts to occur, great gpu choice, you dont really need 2tb its kinda overkill, never heard of that psu b4 and the memory is over priced. I personally have a antec nx410 white and its great.

[Dr. Will0hlep]

1 hour ago, DoOmS_dAy9 said:

Budget (including currency):  $800   US currency

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: RainbowSixSeige, various games like Lethal Comapny and Raft, minecraft 

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I do not have a parts list but he needs a monitor, mouse and keyboard. We are going to buy relatively soon before christmas. He is upgradign from a PS4. We are not picky about refresh rate and just want it to be smooth. 1080p is fine. He also does not have a lot of space. 

 

 

So at that budget and since you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse: my reccomendation is to look on the used market for atleast some of the components.

 

Buying new components for the PC you could get this for $707.61

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mqV3HG
 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor     $137.69

ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard     $84.99

GeIL Orion AMD Edition 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory     $29.99

Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive     $49.98

ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card     $299.99

MagniumGear NEO AIR (2023) ATX Mid Tower Case     $39.99

Corsair CX650M (2021) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply     $64.98

After that you could pickup a cheap 1080p 27" monitor for $99.99:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BY9NPLP4?tag=globalnetwork-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

and a cheap mouse and keyboard can be had on amazon for $10 to $20.

 

This is a touch over budget but a good build budget imo. However, I'd personnally look at going for a used 5700X with cheap CPU cooler and also a used monitor.

[filpo]

Just now, coltswagen said:

but, 1080p is where a bottle neck starts to occur

not with a 6700 xt, if the gpu usage is above 80% most of the time, there isn't a cpu bottleneck

[Dr. Will0hlep]

12 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

personally i would get the i5 12400f its 15 dollars more and offers more performance, you can go cheaper with the mother board the r5 5600

Not convinced by this arguement, all the recent benchmarks I've seen have the 5600 outperforming the 12400. The 5600 is also more than 15$ cheaper cause you can save money on the motherboard without losing a ton of features.

 

12 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

you dont really need 2tb its kinda overkill

given game sizes now, this is becoming a good decision (although I admit, I'd go 1TB and then upgrade later if needed at this budget)

 

12 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

never heard of that psu b4

is great A tier PSU according to the tier list

 

12 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

the memory is over priced

it's not over priced, he's just gone for 32GB of it (although I admit, I'd go 16GB and then upgrade later if needed at this budget)



Overall, I think @filpo's build is very strong. The only missing detail is that no budget has been left for the monitor, keyboard and mouse.

[filpo]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Overall, I think @filpo's build is very strong. The only missing detail is that no budget has been left for the monitor, keyboard and mouse.

I completely forgot about that bit and in hindsight, yours looks quite good

 

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

it's not over priced, he's just gone for 32GB of it (although I admit, I'd go 16GB and then upgrade later if needed at this budget)

yup, completely agree since they need a monitor, mouse and keyboard in budget

[coltswagen]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Not convinced by this arguement, all the benchmarks I've seen have the 5600 outperforming the 12400. The 5600 is also more than 15$ cheaper cause you can save money on the motherboard without losing a ton of features.

 

given game sizes now, this is becoming a good decision (although I admit, I'd go 1TB and then upgrade later if needed at this budget)

 

is great A tier PSU according to the tier list

 

it's not over priced, he's just gone for 32GB of it (although I admit, I'd go 16GB and then upgrade later if needed at this budget)

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4121vsm1822932

 

your actually right about the ram i didnt think it was not over priced my bad.

the h610 mobos are really cheap and good for budget builds

[Dr. Will0hlep]

11 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4121vsm1822932

 

your actually right about the ram i didnt think it was not over priced my bad.

the h610 mobos are really cheap and good for budget builds

I don't trust userbenchmark, several of their tests are based on non real world scenarios and their scoring system is arbitary. Looking at upto date benchmarks in actual games with a compariable GPU at 1080p, you can see that the 5600 wins or draws with the 12400f in most games.

Yes you could get a H610 board, but it will be an intel special with tons of functionality locked out. Where as with AMD you can get a A520 board for less or a B550 board for compariable money, both of which are better equiped.

[coltswagen]

2 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I don't trust userbenchmark. Looking at upto date benchmarks in actual games with a compariable GPU at 1080p, you can see that the 5600 wins or draws with the 12400f in most games.

Yes you could get a H610 board, but it will be an intel special with tons of functionality locked out. Where as with AMD you can get a A520 board for less or a B550 board for compariable money, both of which are better equiped.

wait what do you mean about the h610 mobos im getting one tmrw i saved for like a month for that

[coltswagen]

3 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

I don't trust userbenchmark. Looking at upto date benchmarks in actual games with a compariable GPU at 1080p, you can see that the 5600 wins or draws with the 12400f in most games.

Yes you could get a H610 board, but it will be an intel special with tons of functionality locked out. Where as with AMD you can get a A520 board for less or a B550 board for compariable money, both of which are better equiped.

search "ryzen 5 5600 vs i5 12400f"

[Dr. Will0hlep]

2 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

search "ryzen 5 5600 vs i5 12400f"

I just did, the video is in the message you quoted.

 

3 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

wait what do you mean about the h610 mobos im getting one tmrw i saved for like a month for that

you should google H610 mobos and compare the feature set with B550 boards.

[coltswagen]

Just now, will0hlep said:

I just did, the video is in the message you quoted.

 

you should google H610 mobos and compare the feature set with B550 boards.

no i need you to tell me about the mother board i have saved up for so long i stg 

[filpo]

18 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

the h610 mobos are really cheap and good for budget builds

you'll lose some features tho and the vrms can be lackluster

 

18 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-12400F-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-5600/4121vsm1822932

 

5 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

wait what do you mean about the h610 mobos im getting one tmrw i saved for like a month for that

they don't have pcie gen 4, the b660 has more usb and faster usb H610 vs b660 - which budget-friendly Intel chipset is best? - Spacehop, there's more in the pic below. but they're not horrible, just I would rather get a b660

4 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

search "ryzen 5 5600 vs i5 12400f"

the 12400f is very very slightly better but the motherboards cost more

and in some the 5600 wins 

[Dr. Will0hlep]

Just now, coltswagen said:

no i need you to tell me about the mother board i have saved up for so long i stg 

They is nothing huge missing and no need to panic. They just generally lack features compared to B550 boards. You can't overclock for example. you'll typically have alot less expansion.

 

1 minute ago, filpo said:

the 12400f is very very slightly better but the motherboards cost more

and in some the 5600 wins 

Those benchs are out of date, I believe, driver improvements now mean that the 5600 wins alot of these match-ups

[coltswagen]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

you'll lose some features tho and the vrms can be lackluster

 

 

they don't have pcie gen 4, the b660 has more usb and faster usb H610 vs b660 - which budget-friendly Intel chipset is best? - Spacehop

the 12400f is very very slightly better but the motherboards cost more

and in some the 5600 wins 

my main game is minecraft sould i get the r5 5600 or i5 12400f im going to pair it with a rx 6650xt

[coltswagen]

Just now, will0hlep said:

They is nothing huge missing and no need to panic. They just generally lack features compared to B550 boards. You can't overclock for example. you'll typically have alot less expansion.

 

Those benchs are out of date, I believe, driver improvements now mean that the 5600 wins alot of these match-ups

oh thank the lord i was so scared

[filpo]

Just now, coltswagen said:

my main game is minecraft sould i get the r5 5600 or i5 12400f im going to pair it with a rx 6650xt

with a h610 you might be leaving performance on the table. either should be fine if you prefer intel then go with intel

 

1 minute ago, will0hlep said:

Those benchs are out of date, I believe, driver improvements now mean that the 5600 wins alot of these match-ups

anyway, they're close in terms of performance

[coltswagen]

Just now, filpo said:

with a h610 you might be leaving performance on the table. either should be fine if you prefer intel then go with intel

 

anyway, they're close in terms of performance

thanks never been so nervous in my life

[filpo]

1 minute ago, coltswagen said:

thanks never been so nervous in my life

Are you in the us? Cuz you can get a 12600kf for $140 now, and then get a thermalright PA120 to accompany it (since it doesn't have a stock cooler)
Though the 12600kf might be bottlenecked by the h610 

 

[coltswagen]

2 minutes ago, filpo said:

Are you in the us? Cuz you can get a 12600kf for $140 now, and then get a thermalright PA120 to accompany it (since it doesn't have a stock cooler)
Though the 12600kf might be bottlenecked by the h610 

 

my parents wont buy the more expensive stuff yet i get a new part every week or so i have the case antec nx410 white the ram timtec pinnacle 16 gb 3200 mghz cl 16 apevia prestige 600 watt and ima get the h610 tmrw

[filpo]

29 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

my parents wont buy the more expensive stuff

You’re a teen too?

 

29 minutes ago, coltswagen said:

yet i get a new part every week or so i have the case antec nx410 white the ram timtec pinnacle 16 gb 3200 mghz cl 16 apevia prestige 600 watt and ima get the h610 tmrw

That’s not a bad combo tbh

[DoOmS_dAy9]

22 hours ago, will0hlep said:

 

So at that budget and since you need a monitor, keyboard and mouse: my reccomendation is to look on the used market for atleast some of the components.

 

Buying new components for the PC you could get this for $707.61

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mqV3HG
 

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor     $137.69

ASRock B550 Phantom Gaming 4/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard     $84.99

GeIL Orion AMD Edition 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory     $29.99

Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive     $49.98

ASRock Radeon RX6700XT CLD 12G Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card     $299.99

MagniumGear NEO AIR (2023) ATX Mid Tower Case     $39.99

Corsair CX650M (2021) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply     $64.98

After that you could pickup a cheap 1080p 27" monitor for $99.99:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BY9NPLP4?tag=globalnetwork-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

and a cheap mouse and keyboard can be had on amazon for $10 to $20.

 

This is a touch over budget but a good build budget imo. However, I'd personnally look at going for a used 5700X with cheap CPU cooler and also a used monitor.

Thanks for the help! I did like Filpos build it as he stated he forgot about the monitor and M&K. I didn’t really know what percent of my money to put where so it helped out a lot.