Needing help with pc

[kratos007]

I recently swapped in a rx 580 and a be quiet 650 watt power supply in my pc and once I deleted old GPU drivers and downloaded new ones my screen started flickering black and back to normal a few times and stayed normal so I tried to run a game and my PC ran like normal but next time I turned it off and turned it back on the next day I get no signal on my tv.

 

Yesterday I tried everything I could to get it to work but I only get signal by using onboard graphics. Then today I finally got it to work again by taking out the GPU and leaving it out until I finished installing ddu and uninstalling old drivers and then popped out the battery on the motherboard. After that I put the card back in and hooked everything up and when I turned it on with the HDMI display port adapter inserted into the card everything turned on and worked completely fine. The new drivers started to automatically download and install then the screen flickered black once like normal and came back on with no more flickering like last time. I installed a game(Skyrim) and played for a while and was getting 80 fps and temps never got over 70° Celsius. I played for about 30 minutes and everything worked fine so I decided to take a brake and turn it off and ran a couple of errands and when I got back I turned on my PC just to get no signal again. I've always had problems with this the past 2 GPUs I've had.

 

It's pretty much a new PC that I got while prices were price gouged and I got it from magic micro and it doesn't even have over 40 hours on it. The first gpu was a GTX 970 and when I first installed it (got separate from my PC later) everything worked fine and I eventually came across a Zotac 1060 and this is where the problems started. I didn't know to uninstall drivers and I threw it in and everything worked fine until I turned it off then back on after about an hour of being off. After that I never got a signal.

 

I tried to put my other card back in and it worked fine even after a few days even after I turned it off for a while then back on and the next day turned it on and everything was still working fine. But a day or so later I was never able to get a signal since last year. It's pretty much been shelved and bagged since then unless I tried to get it working to no avail. Which brings me to where I'm at now. It worked fine today once I uninstalled all old drivers and even got to play games once the new ones installed, everything played fine, but once I turned it off for about 2 hours I don't get a signal anymore unless I use onboard graphics. Can anyone please help me? I don't have another PC to troubleshoot parts with and I'm really hoping no parts are bad as it plays completely fine once drivers are installed. Idk why I don't get a signal after it's been turned off. I hate seeing it shelved all the time and there being nothing I can do to fix it. I'm at a loss here and really need help.

[aledsav1]

have you tried different cables to the card/monitor, have you tried a different monitor?

 

If those are not the issue then is your psu working perfectly

 

have you checked the bios on the cards marke sure they are original 

 

I would do a completely fresh windows install if oyu have not tried that, there could be some issues with some files somewhere in an older install.

 

in motherboard bios have you set pcie to a gen rather than leaving it auto?

[kratos007]

I have tried multiple cables yes, honestly not sure about the psu though it was new in box, I'm not sure how to check the BIOS on the card, also not sure how to set PCIE to gen. I'm kinda new at this and not sure of how to navigate through the BIOS.

[aledsav1]

in bios there will be area where it wil give pcie gen setting every bios is different so you will need to google your boards bios. really it shouldn't effect it given the cards your refering to but you never know, and to check the gpus bioses, you will need gpuz and then cross reference them with techpowerup bios page bit long winded and probably not necessary I only do it i have bought used cards and they might have a mining bios on them

 

if your psu was new then its probably ok..

 

I'd first try a fresh install of windows before looking at anything else

[venomtail]

3 hours ago, kratos007 said:

I deleted old GPU drivers

3 hours ago, kratos007 said:

I didn't know to uninstall drivers

When you say you "deleted" your drivers, do you mean something like using DDU or just straight up nuking the file location?

[soundopossum]

I think i know whats happening the old drivers are interfering with the new ones (usually by remnants of the old drivers)they argue for control( causes the screen to start  flickering black)once one of them are in controll when ever they are put under the slightest load 

 The old drivers interfere the gpu dosent know wth to do decides its better to shut off before it causes any damage its also most likely that your pc turns on but the gpu dosent give an image try pluging your gpu in but connecting to your onboard grachics and flash your gpu bios a petty and troublesome task indeed but might solve your problem if not try using a program to perform a clean uninstall and reinstall of your gpu drivers

[kratos007]

7 hours ago, venomtail said:

When you say you "deleted" your drivers, do you mean something like using DDU or just straight up nuking the file location?

I used ddu to uninstall them but that was after I had already had 2 different GPUs in the system.

[kratos007]

7 hours ago, aledsav1 said:

in bios there will be area where it wil give pcie gen setting every bios is different so you will need to google your boards bios. really it shouldn't effect it given the cards your refering to but you never know, and to check the gpus bioses, you will need gpuz and then cross reference them with techpowerup bios page bit long winded and probably not necessary I only do it i have bought used cards and they might have a mining bios on them

 

if your psu was new then its probably ok..

 

I'd first try a fresh install of windows before looking at anything else

By PCIE gen you're talking about 1.0 2.0 3.0 right? If so it's 3.0

[kratos007]

4 hours ago, soundopossum said:

I think i know whats happening the old drivers are interfering with the new ones (usually by remnants of the old drivers)they argue for control( causes the screen to start  flickering black)once one of them are in controll when ever they are put under the slightest load 

 The old drivers interfere the gpu dosent know wth to do decides its better to shut off before it causes any damage its also most likely that your pc turns on but the gpu dosent give an image try pluging your gpu in but connecting to your onboard grachics and flash your gpu bios a petty and troublesome task indeed but might solve your problem if not try using a program to perform a clean uninstall and reinstall of your gpu drivers

Would a factory reset take care of that?

[kratos007]

8 hours ago, aledsav1 said:

in bios there will be area where it wil give pcie gen setting every bios is different so you will need to google your boards bios. really it shouldn't effect it given the cards your refering to but you never know, and to check the gpus bioses, you will need gpuz and then cross reference them with techpowerup bios page bit long winded and probably not necessary I only do it i have bought used cards and they might have a mining bios on them

 

if your psu was new then its probably ok..

 

I'd first try a fresh install of windows before looking at anything else

I tried to open gpuz it was pulling up my onboard graphics, I don't think it's detecting my GPU. I tried to go to task manager and my GPU doesn't show up unless I go to view and then hidden. It says code 45 for no hardware device but idk if it's just because I'm using onboard graphics 

[soundopossum]

1 hour ago, kratos007 said:

Would a factory reset take care of that?

hey calm down heres a link dont try any reset 

How to completely reinstall nvidia or amd or intel drivers

[kratos007]

15 minutes ago, soundopossum said:

hey calm down heres a link dont try any reset 

How to completely reinstall nvidia or amd or intel drivers

I went ahead and just reset everything to get a completely clean slate. Just to make sure. I'd rather just reset than miss anything of the old drivers Incase that is what's causing my problem.

[soundopossum]

14 minutes ago, kratos007 said:

I went ahead and just reset everything to get a completely clean slate. Just to make sure. I'd rather just reset than miss anything of the old drivers Incase that is what's causing my problem.

that might fix the issue but now you might run into more issues setting up windows downloading drivers but your pc your choice

[aledsav1]

38 minutes ago, soundopossum said:

that might fix the issue but now you might run into more issues setting up windows downloading drivers but your pc your choice

really...I dont think theres any need to fear (or create fear) installing windows, its a pretty straight forward process...but it sounds like hes done a full reset anyway.

[soundopossum]

3 minutes ago, aledsav1 said:

really...I dont think theres any need to fear (or create fear) installing windows, its a pretty straight forward process...but it sounds like hes done a full reset anyway.

Buddy the horrors you can experiance when reinstaling windows are.unimadginable one time when i had to reinstall my gpu device id changed and it wouldnt recognize my gpu so i had to buy another cpu one with integrated graphics then reinstal the drivers that didnt work so i had to rma the full gpu all because system 32 corrupted

[kratos007]

37 minutes ago, soundopossum said:

Buddy the horrors you can experiance when reinstaling windows are.unimadginable one time when i had to reinstall my gpu device id changed and it wouldnt recognize my gpu so i had to buy another cpu one with integrated graphics then reinstal the drivers that didnt work so i had to rma the full gpu all because system 32 corrupted

I've already got everything set up again I just haven't plugged into the GPU to download drivers or even turned the PC on with the GPU plugged up. I've honestly never had any problems downloading and installing windows. But I will think about it in the future though.

[kratos007]

50 minutes ago, aledsav1 said:

really...I dont think theres any need to fear (or create fear) installing windows, its a pretty straight forward process...but it sounds like hes done a full reset anyway.

I've reset many things. I tend to fall back on full resets a lot honestly. Best sure fire way of getting rid of everything and anything you don't need and its never really given me a problem. 

[kratos007]

I'm in the msi click bios 5 and I clicked on motherboard explorer and it says that the PCIE slot is empty. Idk if it's because I'm using integrated graphics though. I don't have GPU drivers installed at the moment cause I still get no signal at all from the GPU even after the reset.

Edited November 18, 2023 by kratos007

[kratos007]

I messed with the HDMI again and put it in the display port using an adapter and it turned for a minute and screen went black and a few seconds then no signal while going into steam. Idk if the drivers had enough time to install but I went ahead and turned everything back off. I'm now currently back to square one so far nothing has worked

[aledsav1]

9 hours ago, soundopossum said:

Buddy the horrors you can experiance when reinstaling windows are.unimadginable one time when i had to reinstall my gpu device id changed and it wouldnt recognize my gpu so i had to buy another cpu one with integrated graphics then reinstal the drivers that didnt work so i had to rma the full gpu all because system 32 corrupted

I install windows weekly on all sorts of boards...must have done 100's if not 1000's of windows installs and never had any horrors or major issues unless there is faulty hardware creating corruptions in the file system, windows installs do not create hardware issues, only software issues..

[aledsav1]

I think you might be at the end of the road on this...you either need another card to test your pcie slot is working, make sure its enabled  in bios...or test the 580 in another pc to try and narrow down where the issue is hardware wise.

[kratos007]

36 minutes ago, aledsav1 said:

I think you might be at the end of the road on this...you either need another card to test your pcie slot is working, make sure its enabled  in bios...or test the 580 in another pc to try and narrow down where the issue is hardware wise.

Honestly bro I figured I would at least post here as my next to last option. I don't think it's anything too bad maybe some software issue I'm blind to. I appreciate all the help guys, all of you have been more helpful than anyone I've talked to so far and I appreciate it. Next stop is gonna be the local shop.

[aledsav1]

rx 580 can be funny, I know I have had 100's of ex mining 580's and sometimes (can happen with all cards not just amd but my experience is amd mainly) they appear not to be working no display) when I test in a pc and I put them to one side classed as faullty, then i test in another pc/motherboard and they work fine, nothing to do with windows or software as i only do initial test without drives connected just to see if bios shows.

 

same with some monitors and cables some cards appear to be faulty no display only to change cable (as you have already tried) or use different monitor and then the cards is working.

 

anyway good luck hope oyu get to the bottom of it and have some success.

[kratos007]

22 minutes ago, aledsav1 said:

rx 580 can be funny, I know I have had 100's of ex mining 580's and sometimes (can happen with all cards not just amd but my experience is amd mainly) they appear not to be working no display) when I test in a pc and I put them to one side classed as faullty, then i test in another pc/motherboard and they work fine, nothing to do with windows or software as i only do initial test without drives connected just to see if bios shows.

 

same with some monitors and cables some cards appear to be faulty no display only to change cable (as you have already tried) or use different monitor and then the cards is working.

 

anyway good luck hope oyu get to the bottom of it and have some success.

Wait, since you have a lot of experience with 580s do you think this is worth trying?

[aledsav1]

I have never had to change anything in radeon settings to get a card to be stable so I would not be doing any of that,

but your issue is you are not even getting a display now, the card is not being seen in the pcie slot..if you get the card working in the motherboard again then doing the above or similar is not an issue,