the two builds

[Shailesh Vats]

these are the two builds i am confused between , and idk which one i should choose

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/34CPJy

 or 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZxYYdH

 

i have a 1080p monitor but i would like to have some future proofing, i generally love to play AAA single player games

 

[RONOTHAN##]

Get the 2nd build but spend the little bit extra on 32GB of RAM rather than just buying a single stick. Even if you do just get a single stick, the 6800 XT makes it significantly better, but saving up an extra ~$30 for a system that will be a fair bit faster just makes more sense. 

[adm0n]

Without checking the compatibility of the GPU and case, I'd say

 

Build 1 is more well rounded. So you won't need to upgrade it for a long time

 

Build 2 as is, might give you more performance, but with more stuttering since you are only using 1 RAM stick. I would also get a faster RAM stick, at least 5600MT/s or if you can fit it in your budget a 6000MT/s one.

If you plan on upgrading it a bit over the next few months, build 2 will give you more performance in the long run, but at some point you will need to buy:

• a bigger SSD
• a second stick of ram (make sure to get exactly the same one you bought now)

[Somerandomtechyboi]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Get the 2nd build but spend the little bit extra on 32GB of RAM rather than just buying a single stick. Even if you do just get a single stick, the 6800 XT makes it significantly better, but saving up an extra ~$30 for a system that will be a fair bit faster just makes more sense. 

^^^

You can get a 1tb ssd for 35$ nowadays so that p3 is overpriced asf not to mention being a lowend dramless drive

 

Also you can get a cheaper psu that has a 10 year warranty like the gf3, if you wanna buy new atleast not some overpriced rme that doesnt even have a useful warranty (<10 year warranty is useless as psus generally live 10-15 years), or you can buy a used 750/850w gold unit like the rm(x) or equivalent for 40-60$ and save a bunch of money while still getting a quality psu

[RONOTHAN##]

Just now, Somerandomtechyboi said:

^^^

You can get a 1tb ssd for 35$ nowadays so that p3 is overpriced asf not to mention being a lowend dramless drive

 

Also you can get a cheaper psu that has a 10 year warranty like the gf3, if you wanna buy new atleast not some overpriced rme that doesnt even have a useful warranty (<10 year warranty is useless as psus generally live 10-15 years), or you can buy a used 750/850w gold unit like the rm(x) or equivalent for 40-60$ and save a bunch of money while still getting a quality psu

One thing I'd mention is that since all the prices are custom, there's a very good chance that they're from somewhere not in the US so the pricing and availability won't necessarily translate 1:1, so those recommendations probably won't be applicable. 

[Shailesh Vats]

10 minutes ago, adm0n said:

Without checking the compatibility of the GPU and case, I'd say

 

Build 1 is more well rounded. So you won't need to upgrade it for a long time

 

Build 2 as is, might give you more performance, but with more stuttering since you are only using 1 RAM stick. I would also get a faster RAM stick, at least 5600MT/s or if you can fit it in your budget a 6000MT/s one.

If you plan on upgrading it a bit over the next few months, build 2 will give you more performance in the long run, but at some point you will need to buy:

• a bigger SSD
• a second stick of ram (make sure to get exactly the same one you bought now)

yep i will be upgrading my ssd and ram all over the  year so no worries

and yeh i will be  going with 5600mhz instead of that 5200mhz

[Shailesh Vats]

7 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

^^^

You can get a 1tb ssd for 35$ nowadays so that p3 is overpriced asf not to mention being a lowend dramless drive

 

Also you can get a cheaper psu that has a 10 year warranty like the gf3, if you wanna buy new atleast not some overpriced rme that doesnt even have a useful warranty (<10 year warranty is useless as psus generally live 10-15 years), or you can buy a used 750/850w gold unit like the rm(x) or equivalent for 40-60$ and save a bunch of money while still getting a quality psu

i choose rme 850 as 750 is same price as this one and this has a pretty good ranking in psu tier list by cultists

 i will go with a second hand psu if only i can find one thanks!!

[Shailesh Vats]

7 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

One thing I'd mention is that since all the prices are custom, there's a very good chance that they're from somewhere not in the US so the pricing and availability won't necessarily translate 1:1, so those recommendations probably won't be applicable. 

yeh those are all indian pricing converted to us, after reading all the chats i might go with a better single stick ram, and will buy a second one after some months

[Shailesh Vats]

17 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Get the 2nd build but spend the little bit extra on 32GB of RAM rather than just buying a single stick. Even if you do just get a single stick, the 6800 XT makes it significantly better, but saving up an extra ~$30 for a system that will be a fair bit faster just makes more sense. 

yeh thanks , i will try to find some good deals on ram and ssd as you all said and try to find some better 2nd hand deals on case,rams and psu 

[TatamiMatt]

15 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

yeh those are all indian pricing converted to us, after reading all the chats i might go with a better single stick ram, and will buy a second one after some months

I will recommend getting 2 sticks in a set as sticks made in pairs run much better together than sticks of the same model and brand and everything but bought seperately, i think just bite the bullet now and get the 2 sticks and youll be happier now that you did it and happier in the long run

[Shailesh Vats]

7 minutes ago, TatamiMatt said:

I will recommend getting 2 sticks in a set as sticks made in pairs run much better together than sticks of the same model and brand and everything but bought seperately, i think just bite the bullet now and get the 2 sticks and youll be happier now that you did it and happier in the long run

fine i will try to add it

[Somerandomtechyboi]

29 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

i choose rme 850 as 750 is same price as this one and this has a pretty good ranking in psu tier list by cultists

 i will go with a second hand psu if only i can find one thanks!!

as long as the psus warranty is 10 years you are good to buy a psu

 

Less than 10 year warranty automatically makes the psu meh as there are units with longer warranty for a similar price or abit more, 7 years is what i consider bare minimum but even i avoid that because warranty is the only merit of buying new

[Shailesh Vats]

46 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

as long as the psus warranty is 10 years you are good to buy a psu

 

Less than 10 year warranty automatically makes the psu meh as there are units with longer warranty for a similar price or abit more, 7 years is what i consider bare minimum but even i avoid that because warranty is the only merit of buying new

yes  both rme 750 and 850 have 7yrs of warranty, and the thing is i am getting more confused with both of those builds as one is offering more perf and one is more reliability like better ram ,ssd , mobo ,and  cabinet

or i should build the 6700xt build without 6700xt and collect somemore money for 6800xt and use my integrated gpu till then?

[Shailesh Vats]

1 hour ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Get the 2nd build but spend the little bit extra on 32GB of RAM rather than just buying a single stick. Even if you do just get a single stick, the 6800 XT makes it significantly better, but saving up an extra ~$30 for a system that will be a fair bit faster just makes more sense. 

the thing is i am getting more confused with both of those builds as one is offering more perf and one is more reliability like better ram ,ssd , mobo ,and  cabinet

or i should build the 6700xt build without 6700xt and collect somemore money for 6800xt and use my integrated gpu till then?

[RONOTHAN##]

7 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

one is more reliability like better ram ,ssd , mobo ,and  cabinet

I'd fight you on them being more reliable. It is better, yes, but that doesn't translate into better reliability. The better RAM is just more performance in RAM intensive workloads, the better SSD is just a little faster, the mobo differences really only show up if you try to add a ton of add in cards and other expansions to it, and the case is more aesthetics and ease of building than anything. If you can afford to make them better, sure go for it, but if they're the difference between a 6700 XT and a 6800 XT, go 6800 XT any day instead of them. 

 

I'd still probably try to get the better RAM though if you can afford it, save up an extra week or two. That's the one downside in the 2nd build I'd actually care about.

[Shailesh Vats]

4 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I'd fight you on them being more reliable. It is better, yes, but that doesn't translate into better reliability. The better RAM is just more performance in RAM intensive workloads, the better SSD is just a little faster, the mobo differences really only show up if you try to add a ton of add in cards and other expansions to it, and the case is more aesthetics and ease of building than anything. If you can afford to make them better, sure go for it, but if they're the difference between a 6700 XT and a 6800 XT, go 6800 XT any day instead of them. 

 

I'd still probably try to get the better RAM though if you can afford it, save up an extra week or two. That's the one downside in the 2nd build I'd actually care about.

thanks a lot , i will be going with 16*2 5600 cl 36 corsair vengeance ram as they are selling for around 110$ here in india

thanks a lot once again

[Somerandomtechyboi]

17 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

thanks a lot , i will be going with 16*2 5600 cl 36 corsair vengeance ram as they are selling for around 110$ here in india

thanks a lot once again

Try looking for some bare pcb hynix or klevv rams since those are guaranteed hynix ics, even the older m die is better than trash like samsung 16gbit b die

 

4800 ones should be hynix m die (H5CG48MEBD) and 5600 should be a die (H5CG48AGBD), a dies are prefferable but if 5600 bare pcbs are alot more expensive than the 4800 ones just get the 4800 ones, theyre still capable of 7200 ish which wont be futureproof like the 8000+ a die does but its good enough for now

 

Since they are bare pcb and use very loose and slow jedec bins like 4800c40 or 5600c46 you should be able to get em much cheaper than those expensive plastic heatspreader rams thatll still come with inferior garbage ics

[RONOTHAN##]

4 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

4800 ones should be hynix m die (H5CG48MEBD) and 5600 should be a die (H5CG48AGBD), a dies are prefferable but if 5600 bare pcbs are alot more expensive than the 4800 ones just get the 4800 ones, theyre still capable of 7200 ish which wont be futureproof like the 8000+ a die does but its good enough for now

I mean, on Ryzen 7000 you actually want M die instead. It's not a huge difference, but since M die can do lower tRFC and they clock the same in 1:1 mode you would theoretically get better performance with M die instead (2:1 mode where A die can stretch its legs is generally more for screen shots than it is practically useful). It's not like it really matters, and you do have to remember that most people aren't gonna overclock their RAM, but figured I'd point it out. 

[Shailesh Vats]

3 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Try looking for some bare pcb hynix or klevv rams since those are guaranteed hynix ics, even the older m die is better than trash like samsung 16gbit b die

 

4800 ones should be hynix m die (H5CG48MEBD) and 5600 should be a die (H5CG48AGBD), a dies are prefferable but if 5600 bare pcbs are alot more expensive than the 4800 ones just get the 4800 ones, theyre still capable of 7200 ish which wont be futureproof like the 8000+ a die does but its good enough for now

 

Since they are bare pcb and use very loose and slow jedec bins like 4800c40 or 5600c46 you should be able to get em much cheaper than those expensive plastic heatspreader rams thatll still come with inferior garbage ics

can you name some of them so i can look them up in my area

 

[Shailesh Vats]

1 minute ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I mean, on Ryzen 7000 you actually want M die instead. It's not a huge difference, but since M die does lower tRFC by default and they clock the same in 1:1 mode you would theoretically get better performance with M die instead (2:1 mode where A die can stretch its legs is generally more for screen shots than it is practically useful). It's not like it really matters, and you do have to remember that most people aren't gonna overclock their RAM, but figured I'd point it out. 

so i am fine right or i should g with another ram , it will be better if you can name some of them

[Shailesh Vats]

9 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Try looking for some bare pcb hynix or klevv rams since those are guaranteed hynix ics, even the older m die is better than trash like samsung 16gbit b die

 

4800 ones should be hynix m die (H5CG48MEBD) and 5600 should be a die (H5CG48AGBD), a dies are prefferable but if 5600 bare pcbs are alot more expensive than the 4800 ones just get the 4800 ones, theyre still capable of 7200 ish which wont be futureproof like the 8000+ a die does but its good enough for now

 

Since they are bare pcb and use very loose and slow jedec bins like 4800c40 or 5600c46 you should be able to get em much cheaper than those expensive plastic heatspreader rams thatll still come with inferior garbage ics

https://www.amazon.in/KLEVV-5600MHz-Memory-288-Pin-KD5AGUA80-56G460A/dp/B0BSN4FPQC?th=1

here i found one but its 110$

[RONOTHAN##]

3 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

so i am fine right or i should g with another ram , it will be better if you can name some of them

It really depends on the amount of effort you want to put into it. If you just want to enable XMP/EXPO, the kit you selected is fine. It would theoretically be a bit better to get something like 6000 CL30/32 instead (whatever is cheaper is fine, and the manufacturer doesn't matter either), but don't feel like you absolutely need to. If you want to tune it manually (this will get you even better performance at the expense of a few days of tuning), get anything where the data rate divided by the CL value is about 200 or a kit from Klevv or SK Hynix directly (again, whatever is cheaper). 

 

3 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

https://www.amazon.in/KLEVV-5600MHz-Memory-288-Pin-KD5AGUA80-56G460A/dp/B0BSN4FPQC?th=1

here i found one but its 110$

That's only a single stick, that's not worth it in the slightest. 

[Shailesh Vats]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

It really depends on the amount of effort you want to put into it. If you just want to enable XMP/EXPO, the kit you selected is fine. It would theoretically be a bit better to get something like 6000 CL30/32 instead (whatever is cheaper is fine, and the manufacturer doesn't matter either), but don't feel like you absolutely need to. If you want to tune it manually (this will get you even better performance at the expense of a few days of tuning), get anything where the data rate divided by the CL value is about 200 or a kit from Klevv or SK Hynix directly (again, whatever is cheaper). 

 

That's only a single stick, that's not worth it in the slightest. 

ah oki

[Somerandomtechyboi]

2 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

I mean, on Ryzen 7000 you actually want M die instead. It's not a huge difference, but since M die does lower tRFC by default and they clock the same in 1:1 mode you would theoretically get better performance with M die instead (2:1 mode where A die can stretch its legs is generally more for screen shots than it is practically useful). It's not like it really matters, and you do have to remember that most people aren't gonna overclock their RAM, but figured I'd point it out. 

Im curious if ddr5 oc on amd is as painful as on intel

 

But like 6200-6400 shouldnt be that hard right? Were not shooting for the starts at 8000+, maybe itll just be like ddr3 overclocking or slow speed ddr4 overclocking where some simple voltage adjustments and adjusting primaries is enough to hit your desired speed stabily

 

3 minutes ago, Shailesh Vats said:

can you name some of them so i can look them up in my area

For 4800c40 bin m die

hmcg78mebua081n (hynix)

hmcg78mebua084n (hynix)

kd5agua8m-48g4000 (klevv)

 

For 5600c46 bin a die

hmcg78agbua081n (hynix)

kd5agua80-56g460d (klevv)

 

There may also be some 4800c40 bin hynix a dies in the form of hmcg78aebua081n but basically no images of em so youll have to confirm by looking at the ics yourself

 

Number after hmcg seems to indicate capacity and rank config, letter after that number indicates die revision, letter after die revision looks to be for binning so e = 4800 and g = 5600

 

These should be pretty cheap and you can lazy overclock to 6200-6400

[RONOTHAN##]

5 minutes ago, Somerandomtechyboi said:

Im curious if ddr5 oc on amd is as painful as on intel

 

But like 6200-6400 shouldnt be that hard right? Were not shooting for the starts at 8000+, maybe itll just be like ddr3 overclocking or slow speed ddr4 overclocking where some simple voltage adjustments and adjusting primaries is enough to hit your desired speed stabily

It's not that bad, you just have to deal with incredibly long boot times. You just don't have as much headroom or the creature comforts like safe boot or realtime timing adjustments that you do on Intel (if you're only going for something like 7200 I'd much rather be overclocking on Intel). Still, just getting that far is more than a lot of people want to deal with.