New pc build

[mePino]

Budget (including currency): 
€ 2000 - 3000 (max 3500)-> edit

Country:
Belgium - https://be.pcpartpicker.com/

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:

Games:
- Factorio
- Anno 1404 - 1800(in the future)
- Farming Simulator
- Football Manager
- Frostpunk
- City: Skylines
- Horizon Zero Dawn 2 (when it releases for pc)

Programs/Workloads:
- OBS
- Jetbrains: pycharm, intelliJ, Datagrip, etc..
- IDE: vs code
- Docker
- VM's 4 (sandbox, 2 linux, 1 server)
- Adobe Cloud: Photoshop, lightroom, premiere pro, Illustrator        
- Inkscape, Gimp
- Spotify, Teams, Discord, Steam
- Browsers (a bunch of tabs)

- I'm probably forgetting a bunch, but in general: coding, compiling, photo and video editing, streaming, a couple VM's and browsing + occasianal gaming.

 

Current hardware: Build from 2016
- Asus Maximus VIII Hero DDR4 socket 1151 Z170
- Intel I7 6700K OC 4.5GHz
- Asus-Strix-GTX970
- Corsair (2x8GB) 2666MHZ
- Corsair RM650i                
- Corsair H100i GTX
- Corsair Obesidian 450D
- SSD's samsung 850 evo 250GB and 500GB and HDD WD 1TB

 

peripherals:
- webcam usb-a
- mic blue yeti usb-a - want to upgrade in the future to a xlr mic
- keyboard k70 2x usb-a
- logi mx master 3
- bluetooth dongle usb-a 2x
- speakers old logitich 5.1 so need those jacks (green, black, orange)
- 2x benq 27inch 1440p one connected with hdmi, the other mini-displayport.
- 1x Dell 23inch 1080p (vertical stand) DVI-D - i figure this will be a problem

 

future upgrades in peripherals: XLR mic, new monitor probably 34inch 4K (and removing the Dell), probably new speakers at some point. Use current setup to transform to server.
But for now no need in upgrading peripherals.

 

When to buy:
As soon as possible, unless it's beneficial to wait a little longer. I have done some research and some say November is ideal, others say September is good because they come out with new hardware at the end of the year.
Honestly I try to follow and read up to a lot of hardware stuff, amd, intel, nvidea, readon. But I'm a software guy, I can build my own desktop and there is the end of my knowledge.
To each their own specialty. Please only begin suggesting something if you enjoy doing this kind of thing. I don't need someone telling me: "Hey at least put a list in pcpartpicker." I'll explain why I haven't.
 

Problem:

I'm not sure if I should go with amd5 or intel, why?
1. I need to use windows for development reasons
2. I need and want to use linux - nvidea is not good at supporting drivers, so Radeon sounds better.
3. I'm going into data/AI development and the CUDA cores in Nvidea are good for that.
4. I can use cloud services for large datasets - so I may not need those cuda cores after all.
5. I don't care for ray tracing or ultimate settings for gaming, and most of the games i play are resource-management focused and probably more CPU heavy.
6. Although I do a lot of photo and video editing and I don't know if nvidea vs radeon has a big part in those workloads.

What's important:
1. my I/O needs to be fast
2. I need enough cores for my VM's I figure 16 cores?
3. I need a decent amount of RAM 32GB, maybe 64GB?
4. my main drive should at least be 1TB since programming stuff takes a lot of space. and another 2TB drive would be nice. Since my current ones aren't M2.
5. I don't think I'll be OC like i did previously - but a BIOS flash button is handy - as is an indicator on Motherboard for faults.
6. enough USB-A and USB-C
7. integrated Bluetooth would be nice (but optional since I use dongle now anyways)
8. audio jacks

9. no RGB, again I don't need RGB.

10. Silent, cool temps.

Question 1 :
I have a retail version of windows, if i do a complete overhaul will they accept my retail version or are they gonna expect me to buy a new license for this new build?
I guess they will, the ******. Since the current setup and case will be used for server (linux).
 

Question 2 :

What about cooling? I have my desktop in the attic, summers can get very hot. I have been looking up water vs air cooling a lot, but it keeps unclear to me.
I get that the water has some kind of buffer and then it will probably be mostly the same..
I prefer a lot of fans at a lower speed to keep things cool. My current water cooling makes a lot of noise.
Are those noctua really that good or is it hyped by influencers?


Thanks if you got till the end, I am aware this is a load of talk and I feel like i missed some things still.
I prefer to spent a good amount on SSD, RAM and Motherboard, I guess for my use on video editing the GPU will be important but I'm not gonna pay 1000 euro for a graphics card.

 

Please ask for additional information, if needed.

 

 

[filpo]

51 minutes ago, mePino said:

I have a retail version of windows, if i do a complete overhaul will they accept my retail version or are they gonna expect me to buy a new license for this new build?

you can reuse it. No need to buy a new one

 

52 minutes ago, mePino said:

I guess they will, the ******

they won't

 

52 minutes ago, mePino said:

Are those noctua really that good or is it hyped by influencers?

they're good but overpriced. I'd rather get the phanteks T30s

 

53 minutes ago, mePino said:

€ 2000 - 3000 (max 3500)-> edit

We can get a baller build for 3000 euro budget

We can have intel or amd (tho intel will be hotter and harder to cool)

If you don't want/need the 4090 for your application then just tell me

 

Intel 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF 3 GHz 24-Core Processor  (€598.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€143.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€264.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  (€132.95 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€78.99 @ Amazon Belgium) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€205.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Video Card: Inno3D iChill X3 GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  (€1729.00 @ Megekko) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€165.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€180.85 @ Azerty) 
Total: €3501.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 14:28 CEST+0200

 

AMD

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€646.95 @ Azerty) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€121.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€242.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€118.90 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€78.99 @ Amazon Belgium) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€205.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Video Card: Inno3D iChill X3 GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  (€1729.00 @ Megekko) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€113.85 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€180.85 @ Azerty) 
Total: €3439.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 14:26 CEST+0200

[mePino]

Thanks for the work invested in making both lists!
I don't feel good with spending half budget on a graphics card.

 

And this is the problem I'm not sure if it will make a big difference in my editing work.
For my datasets - I don't worry too much since there are cloud services for that.

The case comes with 2 fans, the liquid cooler has 3 and the power supply also has a fan,  I guess that will be sufficient or should i invest in more fans?
I'm still looking at the differences in motherboards and memory.
Also need to look up performance between the CPU's you mentioned.

-- If someone has answers to my other questions that would be nice. Thanks in advance

[Why_Me]

Add a couple of M.2 SSD's to this build and you're good to go ^^

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€432.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  (€73.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: *MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€232.00 @ Megekko) 
Memory: *G.Skill Ripjaws S5 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€214.80 @ Azerty) 
Video Card: *MSI RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  (€1739.00 @ Megekko) 
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€103.80 @ Azerty) 
Power Supply: *Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€168.85 @ Megekko) 
Total: €2965.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 19:07 CEST+0200

 

A better look at those components.

 

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI  

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230490/intel-core-i713700-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html  

 

https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuaircoolers/AK620-High-Performance-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2021/13067.shtml   

 

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/377/1649234605/F5-6000J3040G32GX2-RS5K-F5-6000J3040G32GA2-RS5K  

 

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-4090-VENTUS-3X-24G-OC  

 

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/psu/cp-9020264-na/rme-series-rm1000e-fully-modular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020264-na  

 

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/  

[mePino]

Thanks for the build, I'm gonna check those out! It's crazy to see there are so little usb-c ports on those motherboards.. I guess I'm the only one using external SSD's

[filpo]

3 hours ago, mePino said:

And this is the problem I'm not sure if it will make a big difference in my editing work.
For my datasets - I don't worry too much since there are cloud services for that.

if so then go for these edited versions of the lists (with a 4080 instead of a 4090)

Intel

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF 3 GHz 24-Core Processor  (€598.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 A-RGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€143.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€264.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  (€132.95 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€78.99 @ Amazon Belgium) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€205.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  (€1379.00 @ Megekko) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL III RGB ATX Mid Tower Case  (€165.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€180.85 @ Azerty) 
Total: €3151.32
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 20:53 CEST+0200

 

AMD

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€646.95 @ Azerty) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€121.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€242.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€118.90 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€78.99 @ Amazon Belgium) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€205.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  (€1286.95 @ Azerty) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€113.85 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€180.85 @ Azerty) 
Total: €2997.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 20:53 CEST+0200

Btw you could also get the 7900 xtx if your work doesn't really use the gpu or even the 4070 ti

3 hours ago, mePino said:

The case comes with 2 fans, the liquid cooler has 3 and the power supply also has a fan,  I guess that will be sufficient or should i invest in more fans?

it'll be sufficient

[mePino]

Thanks, If i may be so blunt would you go team blue or red?

[QuantumSingularity]

For all the stuff you mentioned you need 13900k, but nothing with intel comes cheapely. That CPU draws more power than most mid-range GPUs. So a 420 mm AIO is a must so is a proper PSU and motherboard. The build would look something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-13900KF 3 GHz 24-Core Processor  (€598.95 @ Megekko) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 420 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€123.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  (€269.00 @ Megekko) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory  (€228.85 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€123.85 @ Megekko) 
Video Card: MSI RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X 24G OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  (€1739.00 @ Megekko) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE G500A Performance ATX Mid Tower Case  (€163.85 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME 1300 Gold 1300 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€263.85 @ Megekko) 
Total: €3511.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 21:15 CEST+0200

 

You don't have great prices on storage and memory in Belgium by the looks of it. Ideally you'd want 2x48GB kit at 6400MHz CL32. The 420mm LF II is a must when you deal with a furnace disguised as a CPU.

 

If the priority was on gaming, it's an easy choice - AMD is the way then, but for single threaded productivity workloads - Intel.  

[mePino]

14 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

If the priority was on gaming, it's an easy choice - AMD is the way then, but for single threaded productivity workloads - Intel.

 Priority is on development, productivity and VM's - gaming is just a side thing.
Could I do with a lesser GPU? Those prices are ridiculous imo.

[Why_Me]

Just now, mePino said:

 Priority is on development, productivity and VM's - gaming is just a side thing.
Could I do with a lesser GPU? Those prices are ridiculous imo.

Look at the RTX 4080 or the RX 7900 XTX.

[mePino]

thanks, I'm gonna check them out and see if i can bump up my memory instead.

[QuantumSingularity]

15 minutes ago, mePino said:

 Priority is on development, productivity and VM's - gaming is just a side thing.
Could I do with a lesser GPU? Those prices are ridiculous imo.

I am going with the VMs in mind - you need as much RAM and VRAM as possible. Storage isn't an issue now days, but VRAM is. Idk what are you gonna use those VMs for, but if you run 8 of them, that will reduce the amount of VRAM available to each one significantly. I run 8 farming bots and when i increase the VRAM from 1GB to 1.5GBs on each machine, they perform almost twice as fast. With 7 of them instead of 8, each with 2GB of VRAM they farm even faster than 8x1.5GB, so you have to research your specific use case and how RAM and VRAM affect performance.

[filpo]

12 hours ago, mePino said:

Thanks, If i may be so blunt would you go team blue or red?

Team red

[mePino]

11 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

 Idk what are you gonna use those VMs for

I'm not gonna use it for farming. It will be for development, running server and sandbox for ethical hacking and penetration testing.
One will be sandbox windows, 2 will run on linux (They won't need as much resources), 1 will run as a server and the other one for streaming and rendering.
For my coding and compiling I'm not really worried - even my old machine is slow but handling it. I need to future proof my projects though since they are getting bigger and that will result in an increasing compile time. For the datasets I figure I'll use AWS.
The video editing and photo editing is a disaster on this machine, it takes ages...

The gaming I do is really a side thing, I dont care for fast refresh rates, since my monitors are prioritized to be color accurate and not fast.
I would like to be able to connect a big screen, since I don't own a tv and watching movies or series is a bit of a downer on a 27inch.

Maybe this information helps, because I don't want to overbuild my dekstop. I would like for it to go for roughly 7-10years. My current setup is 7y old, it has been decent, but it's getting very slow. To the point I don't feel like editing anymore.

 

[filpo]

1 hour ago, mePino said:

Maybe this information helps, because I don't want to overbuild my dekstop. I would like for it to go for roughly 7-10years. My current setup is 7y old, it has been decent, but it's getting very slow. To the point I don't feel like editing anymore.

Try the AMD build then

AMD

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  (€646.95 @ Azerty) 
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 360 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (€121.85 @ Megekko) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€242.95 @ Megekko) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL28 Memory  (€118.90 @ Megekko) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€78.99 @ Amazon Belgium) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€205.89 @ Alternate Belgium) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  (€1286.95 @ Azerty) 
Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€113.85 @ Megekko) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 1050 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€180.85 @ Azerty) 
Total: €2997.18
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-17 20:53 CEST+0200

[mePino]

thanks for all the suggestions, I'll take an evening tomorrow to check all my options and ask more questions if needed. Greatly appreciated all the input!

[filpo]

9 hours ago, mePino said:

thanks for all the suggestions, I'll take an evening tomorrow to check all my options and ask more questions if needed. Greatly appreciated all the input!

Just remember to mention any one of us if you have any queries