Upgrade pc.

[resk]

Budget (including currency): 10 000 Nok

Country: Norway

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Apex legends, wow, cod mw 2, dota 2.

Other details: This is my current setup: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mwrypB

Hi friends, im currently looking to upgrade my pc, I feel there is a bottleneck somewhere. And I can`t seem to put my finger on it. I am not a computer spec god, so I humbly come to you for advice. Is there some parts that I can change so I can boost my pc into a gaming machine?

Thanks in advance.

 

[leclod]

Why would you buy a 8700K today ?

A decent aircooler would be a way better choice than that 120mm water cooler

You can buy W10 or W11 for around 15.- , probably you have a W7,8 or 10 licence lying somewhere anyway.

Everything is wrong ...

Edited August 17, 2023 by leclod

[resk]

This is my existing parts list. That im looking to upgrade

[Vexenar]

If anything, looking at the list, I would probably upgrade the platform to something more recent. 
My suggestion would be something of the following;

• Intel Core i7 13600K
• ASRock Z790 PG Lightning (DDR4)
• G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200
• Crucial P5 1TB M.2-2280

  Total:

  kr7846.00

Alternatively, if you want to go for DDR5 I would most likely recommend something among the lines of;

• Intel Core 13600K
• ASRock Z790 PG Lightning (DDR5)
• G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory
• Crucial P5 1TB M.2-2280

  Total:

  kr8727.00

 

The list is subjective as both Gigabyte and other manufacturers have similar types of motherboards at the same price range, likewise I went with the 6000Mhz CL30 RAM modules as they appear (to me at least) to be the best bang for the buck. I would encourage you to go the DDR5 route as those components will likely last the longest and keep you open for possible upgrades down the line. 

I'm sure other people will have their input. 
EDIT: Changed the 13700k to the 13600k and the DDR5 memory to G.Skill Flare X5 and reflected Norwegian prices

EDIT 2: After looking at other information presented I believe the recommendation from @SorryBella is a much better suggestion. 

[SorryBella]

2 hours ago, resk said:

wow

Yeah this alone veto any Intel chip, unless if you play on private server.

 

Upgrade to W11 through linking your W10 key to a Microsoft account, and then log into your new PC on installation with your Microsoft account. Also look into selling that Z370 platform, LGA1151 boards and i7 from that era is lucratively priced right now.

 

Also, no case? Ill assume it supports ATX board with any PSU length then.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr4141.00 @ Proshop) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG500 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  (kr648.00 @ Proshop) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr2284.00 @ CDON NO) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (kr1477.00 @ CDON NO) 
Video Card: Gainward Phoenix GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB Video Card 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1749.00 @ Proshop) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit 
Monitor: Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor 
Total: kr10299.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-17 14:10 CEST+0200

 

Future-resisting the PSU side, ditching 120mm AIO on its last leg for air cooler, and also a huge IPC and cache count jump.

[Vexenar]

49 minutes ago, SorryBella said:

Yeah this alone veto any Intel chip, unless if you play on private server.

I'm guessing this is due to add-ons such as Weakauras having a higher demand on the CPU and preferring multicore workload?

In Europe the price for a 7700x vs 13600K seem to be around a 2€ difference, hence the question.
I didn't think about the impact of add-ons in CPU workload so this also helps me in giving people better advice in future situations. 

[SorryBella]

3 minutes ago, Vexenar said:

I'm guessing this is due to add-ons such as Weakauras having a higher demand on the CPU and preferring multicore workload?

In Europe the price for a 7700x vs 13600K seem to be around a 2€ difference, hence the question.
I didn't think about the impact of add-ons in CPU workload so this also helps me in giving people better advice in future situations. 

More like less player call stressing less on the CPU cache. a member of the forum did a pretty good summary of his own finding.

 

 

[Agall]

4 hours ago, resk said:

This is my existing parts list. That im looking to upgrade

All of those games substantially benefit from having the best CPU you can get, especially WoW. If you're like most WoW players (I played myself from tbc to the early part of Shadowlands S4) most of your gametime is in WoW, therefore having the best CPU available would be my recommendation.

 

If I still played WoW, I would be able to provide a comprehensive recommendation on whether 3D v-cache is worth it for that game specifically, since I could simply test CCD0 vs CCD1 in various environments. I did test between a 3950x and 5800x3D which saw a disproportionate +50% increase in framerate at 4K ultra on a 6900XT which gave me the conclusion that 3D v-cache is beneficial. My brother now has that 5800x3D and kit of 3600MHz RAM that replaced his R5 3600 and 3200MHz kit, where he reported a 100% increase in framerate (he still plays WoW, classic and retail) which I also observed in the short testing I did before and after the upgrade. Mind you my 3950x had a better memory configuration and wasn't a stock clocked 'non-X' CPU.

 

I at least logged in during a free weekend just to test it for the post that @SorryBella linked, which showed a substantial difference. Mind you this was in Orgrimmar which was at a low population in both scenarios, so nothing crazy.

 

If another free weekend happens, I could install it momentarily, although I don't think I'll get the same population numbers without being in the new DF city to properly show a difference. That would be with CCD0 vs CCD1 though since I know the 4790k is going to struggle. I'd likely just test out Orgrimmar or Stormwind on a high population Classic server (already dreading the idea of walking to Stormwind, but I still have friends who regularly play Classic that could help me out).

 

 

The best CPU out right now in this context being a 7800x3D, to answer the question, lol.

[Vexenar]

1 hour ago, SorryBella said:

More like less player call stressing less on the CPU cache. a member of the forum did a pretty good summary of his own finding.

Thank you for referring me to that thread, it was quite an insight that I was unaware of!

14 minutes ago, Agall said:

If another free weekend happens, I could install it momentarily, although I don't think I'll get the same population numbers without being in the new DF city to properly show a difference. That would be with CCD0 vs CCD1 though since I know the 4790k is going to struggle. I'd likely just test out Orgrimmar or Stormwind on a high population Classic server (already dreading the idea of walking to Stormwind, but I still have friends who regularly play Classic that could help me out).

Likewise, thank you for running those tests, your thread on the matter was quite the insight and the data points you collected are interesting to look at. 
I'm running a 9900K on my own system and looking back I notice a lot of extra processor load during peak hours when I stand in Dalaran, I always attibuted this to server lag but your thread on the matter has given something new to look at. 

I will definitely be changing my recommendation defaults after reading through the thread.

[resk]

Thank you very much for the feedback. I will read them soon, just got out of the hospital. Hence my late replies! these are magic! Really appreciated!

[resk]

On 8/17/2023 at 2:23 PM, SorryBella said:

Yeah this alone veto any Intel chip, unless if you play on private server.

 

Upgrade to W11 through linking your W10 key to a Microsoft account, and then log into your new PC on installation with your Microsoft account. Also look into selling that Z370 platform, LGA1151 boards and i7 from that era is lucratively priced right now.

 

Also, no case? Ill assume it supports ATX board with any PSU length then.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (kr4141.00 @ Proshop) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG500 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler  (kr648.00 @ Proshop) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (kr2284.00 @ CDON NO) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (kr1477.00 @ CDON NO) 
Video Card: Gainward Phoenix GeForce RTX 3080 10GB 10 GB Video Card 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (kr1749.00 @ Proshop) 
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit 
Monitor: Asus PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560 x 1440 165 Hz Monitor 
Total: kr10299.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-08-17 14:10 CEST+0200

 

Future-resisting the PSU side, ditching 120mm AIO on its last leg for air cooler, and also a huge IPC and cache count jump.

I went with this setup im exited to test it out when the parts arrive. also bought a new case! really appreciated! thanks all