7840HS for Engineering?

[DunklerKeks]

off topic beginn: So,... I fundamentally disagree with Linus' Argument during WAN Show that having a Battery makes a PC better, IMO all it does is: it cause Issues after 2-3 years when the Battery goes bad.

 

actual topic:

a few Days ago our Miller grabbed me to help convince the boss that his PC with a i7-980 (yes that - is placed correctly it's not a I7-7980 if that even exists!) is not suitable for CAM and needs replacing.

Which went more smoothly then I thought. Not my doing, the Miller, asked our Seller to demonstrate to the Boss how fast the Simulation would run on hardware that's not E-Waste before I even had time to strategize on how to convince the boss.

In parallel to that, I brought my 7840HS based minni PC I got to fool around with privately and tried to install TopSolid6, I did get as far as doing just that and got stumped when it didn't recognize the License dongle.

(the Company we rent our CAM License from usually does the installation, not me.

also if I grab the dongle over a Weekend to troubleshoot by myself and then it's not there when the Mill is supposed to be running that would be trouble.

I don't even know if the Demo could run the Simulation since I never used the Programm and don't even know where on the Server the CAM files are saved .)

 

So instead, I installed Autodesk Inventor and used it for my own work (I've got lot's of Practice setting that up since we recently updated)

one Week in,

I got to say, even via remote Desktop (since I'm not going to pay for Office and set up all the other stuff I'd need just for an Experiment), it's better then the Notebook crap I have currently, no usability issues at all and I doubt it's because all it runs is that one Program + the Remote Desktop Server.

 

 

 

TLDR: why pay 5k for a workstation when a 709€ minni PC does it just as well on its APU? Does anyone have longer term Experience for that?

also, do you think a previous gen Desktop APU is better then a current gen Laptop APU (overclocked from 54 to 65 Watts  because it doesn't have to deal with a F***ing Battery)?
background on our work: pure Engineering, doesn't have to look pretty even black and white Lines are not our Business no, no we are using state of the art high contrast lines on that wired green'ish Background (white for Visible Contours, Purple for Invisible Contours, bright green for "support lines" (I wonder how badly I mistranslated that XD), turquoise for middle-lines,...) Great for Engineering, likely not so great for Influencer'ing 
Shadows and Reflections are not even "bells and whistles" they would actively reduce the Quality.

soo,...
Why the F*** Pay for^*1) a GPU?

 

in before, tomorrow Ryzen 7000  Desktop APUs get released and I'm totally out of date...

^*1)no I'm not Paying myself, but I'm working for a small company where we Stick together, worker Ant and Owner all the Same.

[dilpickle]

You need a TLDR for your TLDR. 

[Uttamattamakin]

On 7/18/2023 at 1:06 PM, DunklerKeks said:

soo,...
Why the F*** Pay for^*1) a GPU?

 

in before, tomorrow Ryzen 7000  Desktop APUs get released and I'm totally out of date...

^*1)no I'm not Paying myself, but I'm working for a small company where we Stick together, worker Ant and Owner all the Same.

This forum is not very big fans of APU's.   I am and I agree with you.  It is only a matter of time before ray traced 4k gaming will be a thing on them.  Gaming good enough for most people.   Then dGPU's will die. 

[Dedayog]

1 minute ago, Uttamattamakin said:

This forum is not very big fans of APU's.   I am and I agree with you.  It is only a matter of time before ray traced 4k gaming will be a thing on them.  Gaming good enough for most people.   Then dGPU's will die. 

Yep, and we'll be on 8K or 16k and AI driven physics and what not  So we may need dGPU's a little longer. 

 

But I am a huge fan of APU's, AMD has done wonders with them and quite a few clients of mine love theirs.

[ImorallySourcedElectrons]

On 7/18/2023 at 8:06 PM, DunklerKeks said:

off topic beginn: So,... I fundamentally disagree with Linus' Argument during WAN Show that having a Battery makes a PC better, IMO all it does is: it cause Issues after 2-3 years when the Battery goes bad.

 

actual topic:

a few Days ago our Miller grabbed me to help convince the boss that his PC with a i7-980 (yes that - is placed correctly it's not a I7-7980 if that even exists!) is not suitable for CAM and needs replacing.

Which went more smoothly then I thought. Not my doing, the Miller, asked our Seller to demonstrate to the Boss how fast the Simulation would run on hardware that's not E-Waste before I even had time to strategize on how to convince the boss.

In parallel to that, I brought my 7840HS based minni PC I got to fool around with privately and tried to install TopSolid6, I did get as far as doing just that and got stumped when it didn't recognize the License dongle.

(the Company we rent our CAM License from usually does the installation, not me.

also if I grab the dongle over a Weekend to troubleshoot by myself and then it's not there when the Mill is supposed to be running that would be trouble.

I don't even know if the Demo could run the Simulation since I never used the Programm and don't even know where on the Server the CAM files are saved .)

 

So instead, I installed Autodesk Inventor and used it for my own work (I've got lot's of Practice setting that up since we recently updated)

one Week in,

I got to say, even via remote Desktop (since I'm not going to pay for Office and set up all the other stuff I'd need just for an Experiment), it's better then the Notebook crap I have currently, no usability issues at all and I doubt it's because all it runs is that one Program + the Remote Desktop Server.

 

 

 

TLDR: why pay 5k for a workstation when a 709€ minni PC does it just as well on its APU? Does anyone have longer term Experience for that?

also, do you think a previous gen Desktop APU is better then a current gen Laptop APU (overclocked from 54 to 65 Watts  because it doesn't have to deal with a F***ing Battery)?
background on our work: pure Engineering, doesn't have to look pretty even black and white Lines are not our Business no, no we are using state of the art high contrast lines on that wired green'ish Background (white for Visible Contours, Purple for Invisible Contours, bright green for "support lines" (I wonder how badly I mistranslated that XD), turquoise for middle-lines,...) Great for Engineering, likely not so great for Influencer'ing 
Shadows and Reflections are not even "bells and whistles" they would actively reduce the Quality.

soo,...
Why the F*** Pay for^*1) a GPU?

 

in before, tomorrow Ryzen 7000  Desktop APUs get released and I'm totally out of date...

^*1)no I'm not Paying myself, but I'm working for a small company where we Stick together, worker Ant and Owner all the Same.

Are you actually loading up complex models? You really want that GPU there once you're opening up assemblies with multiple 100 MB files in Inventor.