new buyer

[groovy_]

hi, I'm struggling to find a gaming pc or laptop. This is my first time buying one so I have no idea what to look for. I'm not looking for anything to pricey but not to cheap. 

[AAVVIronAlex]

What is your definition of expensive and what is considered cheap?

[groovy_]

2 minutes ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

What is your definition of expensive and what is considered cheap?

Expensive would be like over $5,000 and the cheapest is $500.

[AAVVIronAlex]

Wow, 5000? That is the budget? In that case....

What country is it?

[groovy_]

1 minute ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

Wow, 5000? That is the budget? In that case....

What country is it?

Idk what you mean

[SpookyCitrus]

What country are you located in USA, Europe, etc? 

Do you have the space for a desktop computer setup?

Are you wanting something you can travel/use portably?

Do you need everything, like Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, Desk, etc?

What is the price range you would like to pay, not what you think is expensive and cheap, but your preferred price range for the build?

 

These are essential things we need to know in order to best help you.

[AAVVIronAlex]

24 minutes ago, groovy_ said:

Idk what you mean

Prices can vary between countries.

[groovy_]

7 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

What country are you located in USA, Europe, etc? 

Do you have the space for a desktop computer setup?

Are you wanting something you can travel/use portably?

Do you need everything, like Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, Desk, etc?

What is the price range you would like to pay, not what you think is expensive and cheap, but your preferred price range for the build?

 

These are essential things we need to know in order to best help you.

Usa

yes

I would prefer but not a big problem if not

Yes 

same as before $500-$5000 

[groovy_]

2 minutes ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

Prices can vary between countries.

usa

[Skipple]

4 minutes ago, groovy_ said:

same as before $500-$5000 

You will get better responses if you narrow your budget. 

$500 is around the lowest you can go and still build a PC that can play AAA games. 

$5000 is ultra-high performance tier. 

 

Do you need peripherals? Monitor? 

 

What types of work will you be doing / what type of games? 

Is there a particular resolution & framerate target you are trying to hit? 

[SpookyCitrus]

2 minutes ago, groovy_ said:

same as before $500-$5000 

Ok, right, so here's the problem with this. This is such a wide gap and most people are going to use the maximum budget allowed. So unless you really are ok with spending $5000 on the build you need to be more specific. As you can build a pretty killer system for $2500 to $3500 more so in the middle of those price ranges. Just trying to pinpoint it because $500 to $5000 is a large gap and unless you actually want to spend $5000 I wouldn't even say that. Just confused because $500 is considered too cheap and $5000 is extremely pricey, so it goes against what you say in your OP. So just trying to make this a little less confusing. 

 

Also what games are you specifically wanting to play? And is this system going to be used strictly for gaming or do you want to be able to do other stuff like video editing and rendering or any sort of workstation tasks?

[groovy_]

1 minute ago, SpookyCitrus said:

Ok, right, so here's the problem with this. This is such a wide gap and most people are going to use the maximum budget allowed. So unless you really are ok with spending $5000 on the build you need to be more specific. As you can build a pretty killer system for $2500 to $3500 more so in the middle of those price ranges. Just trying to pinpoint it because $500 to $5000 is a large gap and unless you actually want to spend $5000 I wouldn't even say that. Just confused because $500 is considered too cheap and $5000 is extremely pricey, so it goes against what you say in your OP. So just trying to make this a little less confusing. 

 

Also what games are you specifically wanting to play? And is this system going to be used strictly for gaming or do you want to be able to do other stuff like video editing and rendering or any sort of workstation tasks?

Good point I will change it to about 3,500. I mainly wanna play minecraft, lol, and sims, and mainly gaming 

[groovy_]

4 minutes ago, Skipple said:

You will get better responses if you narrow your budget. 

$500 is around the lowest you can go and still build a PC that can play AAA games. 

$5000 is ultra-high performance tier. 

 

Do you need peripherals? Monitor? 

 

What types of work will you be doing / what type of games? 

Is there a particular resolution & framerate target you are trying to hit? 

I change the highest to $3,500 

yes

Minecraft, lol, and sims 

no

[AAVVIronAlex]

4 minutes ago, groovy_ said:

usa

Here you go (no compromises PC build (save your money though)): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWBkk9

 

Here is the laptop: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-i9-13980HX-Windows-G634JZ-XS96/dp/B09RN27LHT?tag=georiot-us-default-20&ascsubtag=grd-row-1360649086167554600-20&geniuslink=true&th=1

[AAVVIronAlex]

1 minute ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

Here you go (no compromises PC build (save your money though)): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWBkk9

 

Here is the laptop: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-i9-13980HX-Windows-G634JZ-XS96/dp/B09RN27LHT?tag=georiot-us-default-20&ascsubtag=grd-row-1360649086167554600-20&geniuslink=true&th=1

I can recommend the laptop, but seriously that desktop is overkill.

[groovy_]

1 minute ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

Here you go (no compromises PC build (save your money though)): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWBkk9

 

Here is the laptop: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-i9-13980HX-Windows-G634JZ-XS96/dp/B09RN27LHT?tag=georiot-us-default-20&ascsubtag=grd-row-1360649086167554600-20&geniuslink=true&th=1

thx

 

[AAVVIronAlex]

Just now, groovy_ said:

thx

 

Wait for the other person. I will recommend lowering the GPU tier and grabbing more storage and also opting for an i7.

[groovy_]

1 minute ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

I can recommend the laptop, but seriously that desktop is overkill.

what is the laptop

 

[AAVVIronAlex]

Just now, groovy_ said:

what is the laptop

 

Click the link, also, you can lower the ram quantity.

[SorryBella]

6 minutes ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

Here you go (no compromises PC build (save your money though)): https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWBkk9

 

Here is the laptop: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-i9-13980HX-Windows-G634JZ-XS96/dp/B09RN27LHT?tag=georiot-us-default-20&ascsubtag=grd-row-1360649086167554600-20&geniuslink=true&th=1

Please don't recommend anything when OP isn't fully clear on what they want. You're just pulling on the Best Buy syndrome.

I highly recommend you to check out this exhaustingly long video on building your own computer from scratch, at the very least for the 1st subpart about part rationale from the start to 32:20. Whether you do it yourself or hiring other is up to you, but this will give you the general idea on what you want for your next build, whether that's stronger CPU or GPU, bigger storage or not, etc. But one thing for sure: don't be lazy and don't be afraid to do your own research. We are here for you to help in terms of questions, especially those in New Builds and Planning. And from me beyond that, here are some good thing to keep in mind:

1. Never give anyone on the internet a blank check. Always come in with a single budget range. How much? Well that's really up to your financial decision, but generally enthusiasts including me recommends 1000$ minimum for a decently built computer that can last up to 3-5 years on the edge of performance, or a neck more around 5-7 years if you're willing to tweak around the settings to keep your performance target up to par.
2. Always ask from more than 1 person, excluding yourself. Asking yourself doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have the knowledge - or even worse creating an echo chamber - and only getting 1 person answer is even worse because it leaves you complacent. Ask for a second, third, and fourth opinion, and do it actively, in other places if need be. Even better, gather opinions from those who owns the product personally, and focus on common threads of negative comments rather than just patches of rants.
3. Research, Research, Research. Computer world is filled to the neck with marketing jargons and technical words, you are not going to go anywhere without searching it on your own.
4. At the end of it, it is your money. This doesn't justify straight up poor purchasing decisions, but I'm talking about the subjective nuances. Whether its the brighter RGB, easier to browse settings on the motherboard, how it looks in the real world, those are still up to you to decide to trade for premium in cost.

[SpookyCitrus]

There are plenty of ways you can go about this, here are a few options for desktops. Keep in mind I don't recommend AMD GPUs, too many issues with drivers and some other factors I just don't use them personally nor do I recommend them unless absolutely necessary for a budget build. I have listed five builds total, two AMD and two Intel, one Mid/High Tier of each, as well as a Balls to the walls build for each within or close to your budget.. Now, with the games you have listed every single one of these builds is complete and utter overkill so I am also going to list a build that is more price to performance specialized for what you are planning on playing specifically. The best bang for your buck desktop. I didn't link keyboards, mice, or headsets strictly because they are personal preference. Keep in mind these are builds you will have to either put together yourself or take to a shop to have them build for you.

 

1080p bang for your buck desktop

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13400F 2.5 GHz 10-Core Processor  ($206.99 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler  ($49.78 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: OLOy Blade 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL32 Memory  ($87.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Video Card: Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card  ($329.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Silverstone FARA H1M PRO MicroATX Mini Tower Case  ($96.43 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($99.99 @ Best Buy) 
Monitor: Alienware AW2523HF 24.5" 1920 x 1080 360 Hz Monitor  ($373.35 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1414.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-06 12:56 EDT-0400

 

 

 

AMD - Mid/High Tier 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($439.00 @ B&H) 
CPU Cooler: MSI MAG CORELIQUID C360 78.73 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($146.08 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($219.95 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($94.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: MSI SPATIUM M461 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($86.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  ($1221.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Lite ATX Mid Tower Case  ($99.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G7 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2978.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-06 12:21 EDT-0400

 

AMD - Balls to the walls

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($629.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: ASRock X670E Pro RS ATX AM5 Motherboard  ($268.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($219.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1599.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G7 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3758.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-06 12:29 EDT-0400

 

Intel - Mid/High Tier

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor  ($381.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black 55 CFM CPU Cooler  ($89.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 UD AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($179.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($105.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Gigabyte EAGLE OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card  ($1149.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Phanteks Eclipse G360A ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G7 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $2767.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-06 12:39 EDT-0400

 

Intel - Balls to the walls

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K 3 GHz 24-Core Processor  ($568.99 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($119.95 @ Amazon) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  ($217.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($49.99 @ B&H) 
Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($99.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: MSI GAMING X TRIO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card  ($1599.99 @ Newegg) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  ($109.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($159.99 @ Amazon) 
Monitor: Samsung Odyssey G7 27.0" 2560 x 1440 240 Hz Curved Monitor  ($499.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3666.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-06 12:46 EDT-0400

[AAVVIronAlex]

2 hours ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

I can recommend the laptop, but seriously that desktop is overkill.

 

1 hour ago, SorryBella said:

Please don't recommend anything when OP isn't fully clear on what they want. You're just pulling on the Best Buy syndrome.

I highly recommend you to check out this exhaustingly long video on building your own computer from scratch, at the very least for the 1st subpart about part rationale from the start to 32:20. Whether you do it yourself or hiring other is up to you, but this will give you the general idea on what you want for your next build, whether that's stronger CPU or GPU, bigger storage or not, etc. But one thing for sure: don't be lazy and don't be afraid to do your own research. We are here for you to help in terms of questions, especially those in New Builds and Planning. And from me beyond that, here are some good thing to keep in mind:

1. Never give anyone on the internet a blank check. Always come in with a single budget range. How much? Well that's really up to your financial decision, but generally enthusiasts including me recommends 1000$ minimum for a decently built computer that can last up to 3-5 years on the edge of performance, or a neck more around 5-7 years if you're willing to tweak around the settings to keep your performance target up to par.
2. Always ask from more than 1 person, excluding yourself. Asking yourself doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have the knowledge - or even worse creating an echo chamber - and only getting 1 person answer is even worse because it leaves you complacent. Ask for a second, third, and fourth opinion, and do it actively, in other places if need be. Even better, gather opinions from those who owns the product personally, and focus on common threads of negative comments rather than just patches of rants.
3. Research, Research, Research. Computer world is filled to the neck with marketing jargons and technical words, you are not going to go anywhere without searching it on your own.
4. At the end of it, it is your money. This doesn't justify straight up poor purchasing decisions, but I'm talking about the subjective nuances. Whether its the brighter RGB, easier to browse settings on the motherboard, how it looks in the real world, those are still up to you to decide to trade for premium in cost.

I said I did not, by the way. Thank you.

[SorryBella]

6 hours ago, AAVVIronAlex said:

I said I did not, by the way. Thank you.

No thats not the point. $2650 is still an absurdly high investment and all of that for Minecraft and League, if OP is unsure JUST HOLD OFF FROM RECOMMENDING ANY CASH SPENDING.

[AAVVIronAlex]

5 hours ago, SorryBella said:

No thats not the point. $2650 is still an absurdly high investment and all of that for Minecraft and League, if OP is unsure JUST HOLD OFF FROM RECOMMENDING ANY CASH SPENDING.

That is exactly what I did when I said "save your money though" and "but seriously that desktop is overkill".

[LogicalDrm]

-> Moved to New Builds and Planning

 

@groovy_, if you are starting from zero, meaning you need keyboard, mouse, monitor and headset also, then $3500 could be reasonable. But in reality you as new PC gamer are looking at $700-1500 range at most and probably in the middle of that range. I do time-to-time builds as if I would be starting fresh. And those tend to hit €1200 range without monitor, OS and peripherals. Good monitor is $300 and up, closer to $600. Keyboard and mouse are $150 total. OS, if bought full priced, is $150. Headset would be around $100.

 

But as noted by others, look at some videos from LTT and others. They tend to give good opinions on why its not worth to spend too much at first sight.