Can it be revived?

[BiotechBen]

Picked up a "sort of working" 1080 for super super cheap, powers on and was getting past BIOS with second card installed (rx 480) and immediately BSOD when drivers tried to apply, tried with second 1080 and resulted in no video at all, no signal.

 

nvlddmkm.sys [page fault in non-paged area].

 

Driver is known good (works perfectly with other 1080)

 

Is now not allowing ANY video output, just a blank black screen, even from a second card. 

 

Gave card a good cleaning, repasted, removed some hot glue that someone dripped on the back.

 

Is it worth the couple of bucks to get cables to try using DVI and/or DP and see if they work, or is it officially dead?

 

 

[r00tb33r]

Bsod means getting cables would be pointless.

 

There's a chance that someone flashed the wrong VBIOS, but I've never seen a bsod from that, normally it's artifacts, reboot, or no video.

 

I don't have experience mixing AMD and Nvidia at the same time, your bsod could be a driver conflict.  Test with another Nvidia card instead.

[BiotechBen]

12 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

Bsod means getting cables would be pointless.

 

There's a chance that someone flashed the wrong VBIOS, but I've never seen a bsod from that, normally it's artifacts, reboot, or no video.

 

I don't have experience mixing AMD and Nvidia at the same time, your bsod could be a driver conflict.  Test with another Nvidia card instead.

Testing with second Nvidia card resulted in no post. 

 

As for mixing drivers from different manufacturers, it's generally not a problem anymore given how I did an entire month of Folding with an AMD and Nvidia card in the same system, and the prevalence of dGPU and iGPU seamlessly switching in mobile devices

 

When purchasing the card, seller provided a picture of it in windows with greenish dots in a horizontal line, which after a bit of research looked to be a driver or vbios issue which is totally fixable.

[r00tb33r]

1 minute ago, BiotechBen said:

Testing with second Nvidia card resulted in no post. 

 

As for mixing drivers from different manufacturers, it's generally not a problem anymore given how I did an entire month of Folding with an AMD and Nvidia card in the same system, and the prevalence of dGPU and iGPU seamlessly switching in mobile devices

 

When purchasing the card, seller provided a picture of it in windows with greenish dots in a horizontal line, which after a bit of research looked to be a driver or vbios issue which is totally fixable.

Greenish dots won't be a driver issue but you're welcome to experiment with VBIOS flashing.

 

Otherwise the card is physically faulty.

[BiotechBen]

9 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

Greenish dots won't be a driver issue but you're welcome to experiment with VBIOS flashing.

 

Otherwise the card is physically faulty.

I'm thinking it's vbios, but without being able to get it to go past POSTING, it's a little harder to find out.

[r00tb33r]

3 hours ago, BiotechBen said:

I'm thinking it's vbios, but without being able to get it to go past POSTING, it's a little harder to find out.

Last time I did all this was on my X58 system, which is more of a traditional BIOS that predates UEFI.  In there I have a choice of graphics priority, PCIE or PCI.  If I have a broken card I want to try flashing I choose PCI, and use my 90s Rendition PCI video card.  It'll POST.

 

So you may need an older motherboard for this.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash/

 

nvflash functionality will vary by version...  You will just have to try and learn.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=&model=&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

 

I presume you will know more what brand, memory, and clocks are supposed to be on your card, or you can try others.  I recommend you look up the cards that go with each file to see if they have the same ports as yours, and obviously the same memory size.  For your purposes I'd try images of same or lower clocks.  Notes will often say which brand (Samsung, Hynix, etc) memory chips a particular VBIOS version supports, that should be helpful as well.

[BiotechBen]

16 hours ago, r00tb33r said:

Last time I did all this was on my X58 system, which is more of a traditional BIOS that predates UEFI.  In there I have a choice of graphics priority, PCIE or PCI.  If I have a broken card I want to try flashing I choose PCI, and use my 90s Rendition PCI video card.  It'll POST.

 

So you may need an older motherboard for this.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-nvflash/

 

nvflash functionality will vary by version...  You will just have to try and learn.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/?architecture=NVIDIA&manufacturer=&model=&interface=&memType=&memSize=&since=

 

I presume you will know more what brand, memory, and clocks are supposed to be on your card, or you can try others.  I recommend you look up the cards that go with each file to see if they have the same ports as yours, and obviously the same memory size.  For your purposes I'd try images of same or lower clocks.  Notes will often say which brand (Samsung, Hynix, etc) memory chips a particular VBIOS version supports, that should be helpful as well.

I will say, it does have 0rpm mode, and the 0rpm mode activates, so I'm getting an inexpensive dp->HDMI cable to see if it may just be a dead output?

Also making me think that maybe it has a mining BIOS on it?

[r00tb33r]

3 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

I will say, it does have 0rpm mode, and the 0rpm mode activates, so I'm getting an inexpensive dp->HDMI cable to see if it may just be a dead output?

Also making me think that maybe it has a mining BIOS on it?

I have never mined so I don't know.

 

You said you got a bsod.  That means cables are pointless.

[ds5018]

if it’s a dead output the dp to hdmi won’t work bc the dp is dead

[BiotechBen]

2 hours ago, ds5018 said:

if it’s a dead output the dp to hdmi won’t work bc the dp is dead

Have been using HDMI for output. It's $8, and if it doesn't work, I've been meaning to get one anyway. Also found out the driver corrupted at some point. Put good 1080 in to do some epic thunderstorm recording, and NVENC wasn't even detected; fresh driver install and it reappeared.

[r00tb33r]

If you got a bsod because your driver is corrupted we can't know that.

[BiotechBen]

3 hours ago, r00tb33r said:

If you got a bsod because your driver is corrupted we can't know that.

Driver was fine until today, curious now if new driver gets a further POST result?

 

 

Update: got into windows with card detected, showed driver from December of 2020? Then does a driver crash and shortens "stable" time by about half.

Will not post all all with 1080 in primary and Rx480 in secondary, but WILL temporarily get into windows with 480 in main slot and 1080 in secondary slot. 

Also posts with x16 config for 480 as main card, but not in 4x4x4x4 or 8x8.

Currently in widows getting Nvidia driver.

 

 

 

 

Result: 

Card is recognized as an input, but just a blank black display.

[r00tb33r]

You can install some remote access software and observe it from another computer/or phone or whatever.  Maybe look at it with GPU-Z, or look at the hardware ID in Device Manager.  Post it here.  Here's mine for example (Intel): PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_4905&SUBSYS_D0111EF7&REV_01

 

There's a chance that things might not be great if Windows isn't seeing a monitor connected...  

 

No, drivers don't have any effect on POST.  It either does, or it doesn't.  

[BiotechBen]

44 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

You can install some remote access software and observe it from another computer/or phone or whatever.  Maybe look at it with GPU-Z, or look at the hardware ID in Device Manager.  Post it here.  Here's mine for example (Intel): PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_4905&SUBSYS_D0111EF7&REV_01

 

There's a chance that things might not be great if Windows isn't seeing a monitor connected...  

 

No, drivers don't have any effect on POST.  It either does, or it doesn't.  

Hey man, I'm just reporting what happens, what is happening the way it is happening is making no sense to me, simply having a card in a slot shouldn't hold a post sometimes but not always.

 

Additionally, the bad card showing up as "this device is working properly" and sometimes with "windows cannot load the drivers for this device" is also curious, and furthermore, when drivers are installed, they are present until the next reboot. Then windows doesn't detect Nvidia drivers, but only when the bad card is installed.

 

 

One detects CUDA support, and the other does not....

 

-The bad card is also not reporting anything under the NVIDIA BIOS tab...

-shows no CUDA support.

-And shows Revision FF 

-And the BIOS it DOES show in the main page differs from the one that's in the TECHPOWERUP database for that card. 

-Coincidentally it is the exact same BIOS version that my MSI Aero 1080 has.

-I think it's got a wrong BIOS and that's what is going weird here. 

-one of the times I went through device manager it said that the Driver and I/O configuration did not match for that card.

[r00tb33r]

10 minutes ago, BiotechBen said:

-And shows Revision FF 

This is suspect.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing what it says for a subsys in your hardware ids.

 

I don't know the model of your card, I don't know what it looks like.  If you think you've found the right VBIOS, then flash it.

[BiotechBen]

14 minutes ago, r00tb33r said:

This is suspect.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing what it says for a subsys in your hardware ids.

 

I don't know the model of your card, I don't know what it looks like.  If you think you've found the right VBIOS, then flash it.

Suspect Card: MSI Armour 8G OC looks like the card in the stock photo, and that's what the tag says.

[r00tb33r]

Huh, so is that saying that the card is even boosting?

 

For no scientific reason I would test these two:

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/184065/msi-gtx1080-8192-160607-1

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/197161/msi-gtx1080-8192-170911

Yes I know one of them looks different on the outside but the board ID is the same.  I like the numbers in the first link better.

 

I have no idea what is wrong with your card.