Ryzen Gaming PC

[not_MrFrost]

Budget (including currency): around 1500 EURO

Country: Italy

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: All types of games, old and new, casual work (hobby, not full time job)

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

I've put together a list for the pc that I want to build, hoping to catch some good offers during Amazon Prime Day:

AMD Ryzen 7700 (non-X)

RTX 4070 (maybe 3070 Ti, if I catch a very good deal)

16GB of DDR5 RAM (2x8) from either Kingston or Corsair

GIGABYTE B650 GAMING X AX

WD_Black SN850X NVMe 1TB

Corsair 4000D Airflow with 3 included RGB fans

Corsair RM750x 2021

 

I have just 2 questions: as you saw, I didn't put any cooler, because I've heard that the stock cooler is pretty good; is that true?

Also, is it too much to spend 190€ for a case with 3 rgb fans?

Thank you in advance!

[Locutus von Borg]

honestly, i would probably take more ram, i have seen diablo 4 for example eating 12gb ram and game only want more and more. but at least you have 2 slots remaining, so you could upgrade later.

 

and yes, the stock coolers are ok, i ran my 5950x with the one from the 3900x for a few months until my aio arrived, didnt even noticed after a while it was the stock. so amd made a nice stock cooler. of course it can be done better, but also a lot worse. so, i would use the stock and if you notice you are not happy with the noise, or the temps you can get a very nice cooler for around 50€. there are so many good alternatives out there.

 

regarding the case... no its not. i spent for my case back in 2011 400€ was the lian li pc 2000 f or so. a tall case full of love .... anyways. thats what you see every day and the 4000 D airflow is a good case. so it comes down, if you like that or not and if you dont want the alternatives because of xyz, then you dont. end of line. surely, take in all the experience from other ppl, but at the end you are buying it and you have to like it. if you want rgb, get rgb.

[not_MrFrost]

1 hour ago, micha_vulpes said:

1. The wraith is a fairly competent cooler for a freebee, and its been floating around for over 10 years in some capacity. It should be good enough if you are not seeking ultra quiet operation. Back in the day ( like 10 years ago) the wraith tested basically at parity with the Hyper212 120mm tower cooler on the FX chips at 125watt TDP. I would have no concerns about running it on a 7700, personally and it may even help nvme thermals since it will give direct airflow around the CPU socket
2. Case Pricing is almost entirely subjective. I'd never spend 200 dollars on a tower case unless it has hot swap bays or tooless fan clips like ChenBro or other tower Server chassis.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Locutus von Borg said:

honestly, i would probably take more ram, i have seen diablo 4 for example eating 12gb ram and game only want more and more. but at least you have 2 slots remaining, so you could upgrade later.

 

and yes, the stock coolers are ok, i ran my 5950x with the one from the 3900x for a few months until my aio arrived, didnt even noticed after a while it was the stock. so amd made a nice stock cooler. of course it can be done better, but also a lot worse. so, i would use the stock and if you notice you are not happy with the noise, or the temps you can get a very nice cooler for around 50€. there are so many good alternatives out there.

 

regarding the case... no its not. i spent for my case back in 2011 400€ was the lian li pc 2000 f or so. a tall case full of love .... anyways. thats what you see every day and the 4000 D airflow is a good case. so it comes down, if you like that or not and if you dont want the alternatives because of xyz, then you dont. end of line. surely, take in all the experience from other ppl, but at the end you are buying it and you have to like it. if you want rgb, get rgb.

Thanks to both of you! I wrote a similar post on a Italian forum, and they almost insulted me lol. They didn't even try to help me, they just gave me a list for a pc that they thought that it was good, and that's it... so sad.

I later came here, since I follow LTT on YouTube, and honestly, I was almost taken aback, with how much love you responded to me! Thank you again!

[SorryBella]

13 hours ago, not_MrFrost said:

they just gave me a list for a pc that they thought that it was good, and that's it... so sad.

Because thats the best help possible, but yeah if you need rationale on it you should ask them directly. If they just answer that you can summarize as "it just is", well you can rest yourself easier on it.

 

Could you send me their list so i can have a look? I'm curious. Your list is honestly fine if you chase that 4000D RGB look (even though you could get 3-pack Corsair 120mm fan deal and do it yourself for cheaper thanks to the included Node Core, or sticking to standard 3 pin ARGB with the Arctic P12 ARGB 3-pack as listed here) and cant find the RX 6800XT for cheaper locally as they are getting harder to find. They're same performance for less, and extra 4GB of VRAM is a bonus. But 32GB of RAM is preferable in DDR5, they're not that much more expensive.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€318.51 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€45.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€206.23 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€149.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€84.54 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€529.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€102.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM850D 850 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€111.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST A-RGB 0dB 48.8 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (€39.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1587.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-25 08:50 CEST+0200

 

If you don't mind overhaul and want something laser focused in gaming:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€246.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  (€35.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€206.23 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€149.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€84.54 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€629.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€79.98 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM750D 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€100.74 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F120SK 50 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€7.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1539.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-25 08:54 CEST+0200

 

Yep, faster GPU for sacrifice on the CPU cores, which would make more sense in the new standard of 1440p144hz.

 

[not_MrFrost]

3 hours ago, SorryClaire said:

Because thats the best help possible, but yeah if you need rationale on it you should ask them directly. If they just answer that you can summarize as "it just is", well you can rest yourself easier on it.

 

Could you send me their list so i can have a look? I'm curious. Your list is honestly fine if you chase that 4000D RGB look (even though you could get 3-pack Corsair 120mm fan deal and do it yourself for cheaper thanks to the included Node Core, or sticking to standard 3 pin ARGB with the Arctic P12 ARGB 3-pack as listed here) and cant find the RX 6800XT for cheaper locally as they are getting harder to find. They're same performance for less, and extra 4GB of VRAM is a bonus. But 32GB of RAM is preferable in DDR5, they're not that much more expensive.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.5 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€318.51 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler  (€45.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€206.23 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€149.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€84.54 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster SWFT 319 Radeon RX 6800 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€529.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€102.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM850D 850 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€111.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST A-RGB 0dB 48.8 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  (€39.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1587.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-25 08:50 CEST+0200

 

If you don't mind overhaul and want something laser focused in gaming:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€246.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AG400 75.89 CFM CPU Cooler  (€35.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€206.23 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€149.80 @ Alternate Italia) 
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP33 PRO 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€84.54 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€629.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€79.98 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: Deepcool PM750D 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply  (€100.74 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case Fan: Phanteks PH-F120SK 50 CFM 120 mm Fan  (€7.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1539.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-06-25 08:54 CEST+0200

 

Yep, faster GPU for sacrifice on the CPU cores, which would make more sense in the new standard of 1440p144hz.

 

This is the list that the guy advised, on the other forum:

I agree with some things that you and he told me, like a 4070 is better than the 3070, and I also belive you, that a RX 6950 is better than the RTX 4070, but the problem here, is that I don't trust the seller that you linked for that GPU, because he sells on Amazon, but the shipping etc is managed by the seller, and not Amazon, and I don't wanna risk to get scammed. Amazon-delivered 6950s are at least 100€ more expensive. About the case, I have to look more into it; I like the case, but talking about the fans, I will look into the options that you suggested. Thanks!

[SorryBella]

2 hours ago, not_MrFrost said:

because he sells on Amazon, but the shipping etc is managed by the seller

Yeah that's the overarching issue of selling GPUs on Amazon. Doesnt help that Jeff Besoz is a huge asshole and Amazon refund policy isnt as strong as Ebay.

[Locutus von Borg]

On 6/25/2023 at 12:30 PM, not_MrFrost said:

This is the list that the guy advised, on the other forum:

[i cut the picture, its huge xD]

I agree with some things that you and he told me, like a 4070 is better than the 3070, and I also belive you, that a RX 6950 is better than the RTX 4070, but the problem here, is that I don't trust the seller that you linked for that GPU, because he sells on Amazon, but the shipping etc is managed by the seller, and not Amazon, and I don't wanna risk to get scammed. Amazon-delivered 6950s are at least 100€ more expensive. About the case, I have to look more into it; I like the case, but talking about the fans, I will look into the options that you suggested. Thanks!

theres nothin jumping in my face screaming wrong at me. i would have chosen some tother things here and there, but i bet 5 other ppl would also change again different things.

 

for example, i dont like to have such low wattage psu. the case is very good, but so is the 4000 D airflow. lets face it, biggest different performance wise is the cpu/gpu here. all are valid, all make sense for what you described. and i guarentee you will be happy with any combination of cpu/gpu posted here so far. my advise would be, grab your3 favorite game you play now, maybe another one or 2 you plan to play, which are already released xD and look how the cpus /gpus perform. and have an eye on the power consumption as well.

[not_MrFrost]

23 hours ago, Locutus von Borg said:

theres nothin jumping in my face screaming wrong at me. i would have chosen some tother things here and there, but i bet 5 other ppl would also change again different things.

 

for example, i dont like to have such low wattage psu. the case is very good, but so is the 4000 D airflow. lets face it, biggest different performance wise is the cpu/gpu here. all are valid, all make sense for what you described. and i guarentee you will be happy with any combination of cpu/gpu posted here so far. my advise would be, grab your3 favorite game you play now, maybe another one or 2 you plan to play, which are already released xD and look how the cpus /gpus perform. and have an eye on the power consumption as well.

Thanks for the feedback! Then... what do you suggest, for the wattage of the psu? Something that could also work, if I change the GPU in the future.

[Locutus von Borg]

10 minutes ago, not_MrFrost said:

Thanks for the feedback! Then... what do you suggest, for the wattage of the psu? Something that could also work, if I change the GPU in the future.

exactly thats the reason i was thinking 650W is a bit on the lower side. 700/750. this you will be safe even with biggest cpu/gpu combo. i personally like seasonic and before that enermax. the enermax psu's i had held for 10+ years, but i had a feeling enermax slacking a bit when i got myself a new pc, so i switched to seasonic. but bequite, coolermaster seems to be fine as well. some of the newer models have a new connector for the 12 pin, so keep an eye for that i you want.

 

usually why i like the bigger psus more is also, if you get a bigger gpu, you need to feed it power from 2 different rails and if you then want some more ssds for example, you could run out of connectors xD it actually happened to my dad ... BOTH.

 

i dont know about nzxt psu's, but at least they werent shorting anything or causing fires, otherwise steve would have informed us about it. deepcool i dont know either, but i cant know everything. there are definitely sources on youtube and the web to properly inform you about it. if you do that, may not ignore sources older than1 or 2 years, but focus on the newer ones. seems obvious, but before that psu's didnt change that much, here and there an updated atx standard, but thats it, now there is a new connector and whole new standard. generally, a bigger psu doesnt hurt you, it "takes" as much power as the system needs. the different that counts tho is the rating is most accurate at the given wattage, at least it should be. it tends to be less with lower watts, much less watts do suffer even more in efficiency. so you could for example take a 1000 watt psu and be absolutely on the safe side. but you will pay more to actually buy it and have a higher electricity bill... tho wouldnt say its much more xD (but not necessary)

buying a 750watt psu also gives some headroom and operates more in the area of the psu.

[not_MrFrost]

3 hours ago, Locutus von Borg said:

exactly thats the reason i was thinking 650W is a bit on the lower side. 700/750. this you will be safe even with biggest cpu/gpu combo. i personally like seasonic and before that enermax. the enermax psu's i had held for 10+ years, but i had a feeling enermax slacking a bit when i got myself a new pc, so i switched to seasonic. but bequite, coolermaster seems to be fine as well. some of the newer models have a new connector for the 12 pin, so keep an eye for that i you want.

 

usually why i like the bigger psus more is also, if you get a bigger gpu, you need to feed it power from 2 different rails and if you then want some more ssds for example, you could run out of connectors xD it actually happened to my dad ... BOTH.

 

i dont know about nzxt psu's, but at least they werent shorting anything or causing fires, otherwise steve would have informed us about it. deepcool i dont know either, but i cant know everything. there are definitely sources on youtube and the web to properly inform you about it. if you do that, may not ignore sources older than1 or 2 years, but focus on the newer ones. seems obvious, but before that psu's didnt change that much, here and there an updated atx standard, but thats it, now there is a new connector and whole new standard. generally, a bigger psu doesnt hurt you, it "takes" as much power as the system needs. the different that counts tho is the rating is most accurate at the given wattage, at least it should be. it tends to be less with lower watts, much less watts do suffer even more in efficiency. so you could for example take a 1000 watt psu and be absolutely on the safe side. but you will pay more to actually buy it and have a higher electricity bill... tho wouldnt say its much more xD (but not necessary)

buying a 750watt psu also gives some headroom and operates more in the area of the psu.

Really interesting!

Then, I think that I will go with a 700 MINIMUM power supply! What about the corsair PSU? I was considering the RM750x. I also trust Seasonic, but they are a bit expensive on Amazon (or you can prove me wrong).

[Locutus von Borg]

On 6/27/2023 at 9:27 PM, not_MrFrost said:

Really interesting!

Then, I think that I will go with a 700 MINIMUM power supply! What about the corsair PSU? I was considering the RM750x. I also trust Seasonic, but they are a bit expensive on Amazon (or you can prove me wrong).

havent seen overly negative feedback of corsair. i mean you always have ppl complaining, cause things happen, the question is how much. so specifically search for the psu you wanna buy. you will notice very quick if its garbage.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-rm750x-2021-power-supply-review

 

german site tho, but sites can be translated:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/netzteile/46357-corsair-rm750x-2018-im-test.html

 

both show the same, the psu is good, has some advantages, some disadvantages, but overall a good, reliable pick.

[QuantumSingularity]

Here is a bit refined Ryzen build. But i have to say - i have no idea what's going on with the prices in Italy. That ATX board here goes for more than €250, but the Crucial storage is much less expensive. Anyway - here is the build and at the bottom i just dropped a 5-pack value pack of Artic P12s which if you are really short on money, you can initially skip and get at any point later.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€243.79 @ Amazon Italia) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 GAMING X AX ATX AM5 Motherboard  (€169.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€129.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Storage: Crucial P5 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€129.97 @ Amazon Italia) 
Video Card: XFX Speedster MERC 319 Radeon RX 6950 XT 16 GB Video Card  (€629.00 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case  (€68.84 @ Amazon Italia) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€129.90 @ Amazon Italia) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack  (€31.99 @ Amazon Italia) 
Total: €1532.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-07-01 10:05 CEST+0200

 

7600(non-x) comes with a more than capable cooler and performance-wise, it's just slightly behind the 5800X3D; like just 1-2% behind. So basically on par.

The mobo, honestly idk how you can have such low price on it. Even on newegg the lowest i could find it was $189 so €170 IN EUROPE is a STEAL.

Went for a memory with EXPO profile for better performance and stability. It will also run a little cooler thanks to no RGB LEDs.

Storage - the P5 is a bit expensive, but since it will be your only drive initially, DRAM is a a must to keep that system snappy and responsive.

6950XT vs 4070... it's not really a fight. The 4070 gets the snot kicked out of it performance-wise. Yes it's more efficient, but who cares if your GPU draws 30% less power when it soon starts to struggle even with 1080p gaming.

Upgraded the PSU to a 850W so even if you decide to go 7800X3D late, it won't be a problem.

And yeah - as i said earlier, a value pack of 5x Arctic P12s PWM fans. 1 rear exhaust, the included 2x140mm ones with the case moved as top exhaust and 3x120 in the front as intake. It will result in slightly negative pressure, but that won't be a problem, since the case isn't all that big.

[Locutus von Borg]

i would say this whole thing is concluded, if OP doesnt have any further questions. the build from QuantumSingularity looks rly good, but so do both from SorryBella. i actually would prefer one of those 3 builds, but its ultimatily up to you.

[not_MrFrost]

On 7/6/2023 at 5:16 PM, Locutus von Borg said:

i would say this whole thing is concluded, if OP doesnt have any further questions. the build from QuantumSingularity looks rly good, but so do both from SorryBella. i actually would prefer one of those 3 builds, but its ultimatily up to you.

They look good, and I will decide once I see what I can buy on Amazon; as I said, i wanted to buy everything with Amazon Prime, during Prime Day, which will be next week. I've settled for:

Ryzen 7 7700 (non-X, I will use the included CPU Cooler)

Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX

Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB 6000MHz (non RGB)

Samsung 980 SSD NVMe 1TB

Seasonic G12 GC-850 Watt

Corsair 4000D Airflow

Zotac RTX 3070 Ti

Artic RGB Fans 3-pack , that were suggested before

 

I settled for this, since at the moment, it will cost me around 1450€. Everything with Amazon Prime, so at least I'm covered. I really don't wanna spend more than 1500€, since I need the money for university. I'll do an expection, if I find a RTX 4070 for a good price (max 100 euros more than the 3070Ti, which is 500€).

 

Thank you again to everyone! I will update the post, once I buy everything.

[Locutus von Borg]

22 hours ago, not_MrFrost said:

Corsair Vengeance 2x16GB 6000MHz (non RGB)

Samsung 980 SSD NVMe 1TB

Zotac RTX 3070 Ti

i hope you dont mind me dropping another comment on that.

 

regarding the ram, i would kerep an eye on the steppings, the CL30 or CL 32, when you look at the suggestions you can see those values. those are as important as the frequency itself. i dont know how much you know about it, if you do tho, then fine. if you do not, frequency alone isnt the holy grail to performance, the combinations of the CL-X and a high frequency is. A ram with lower frequency, but also lower CL could end up being faster. i dont know 100% anymore, but i think DDR5 scaled better with speed than DDR4 did, but still the steppings are important too. So, when cl32 costs 100€ and cl30 110€, take the cl30. ryzen does scale better anyways with clock speeds^^ at least in the previous gen it was that way, i think it still does.

 

regarding the your samsung ssd, crucial in my eyes is kinda never the very best, but always high up overall in the categories, so there is some potential as well for saving. some of my cruicial drives are ... old

crucial ct525mx300: 27k working hours, 14TB written

crucial m4: 58k working hours, no data how much was written

ocz vertex 4 (rip): 51k working hours 84TB written xD and it keeps going

samsung 860 evo (1): 23k hours and 10,5 TB written

samsung 860 evo (2): 23k hours and 14 TB written

 

you see, even tho i have some pretty long, they are nowhere near the 220TB written.

 

last but not least the gpu. if you end up with the 3070ti cause of the price, you maybe should consider the 6800 xt, it smokes the 3070 ti every time significantly, but the biggest benefactor is the ram, 8 GB compared to 16 GB. if you still wanna rgo with the 3070ti then, its fine, your decision, "but" first look for yourself. NV-RT is not the end all be all, nor is DLSS and at a certain point, dlss wont help, if the ram is not enough, so the textures get unloaded and reloaded over and over again, which is just awful. that does happen with 4070ti for example.

 

ok, thats all  dont wanna see you make a decsion that bites you in the butt later.

[not_MrFrost]

59 minutes ago, Locutus von Borg said:

i hope you dont mind me dropping another comment on that.

 

regarding the ram, i would kerep an eye on the steppings, the CL30 or CL 32, when you look at the suggestions you can see those values. those are as important as the frequency itself. i dont know how much you know about it, if you do tho, then fine. if you do not, frequency alone isnt the holy grail to performance, the combinations of the CL-X and a high frequency is. A ram with lower frequency, but also lower CL could end up being faster. i dont know 100% anymore, but i think DDR5 scaled better with speed than DDR4 did, but still the steppings are important too. So, when cl32 costs 100€ and cl30 110€, take the cl30. ryzen does scale better anyways with clock speeds^^ at least in the previous gen it was that way, i think it still does.

 

regarding the your samsung ssd, crucial in my eyes is kinda never the very best, but always high up overall in the categories, so there is some potential as well for saving. some of my cruicial drives are ... old

crucial ct525mx300: 27k working hours, 14TB written

crucial m4: 58k working hours, no data how much was written

ocz vertex 4 (rip): 51k working hours 84TB written xD and it keeps going

samsung 860 evo (1): 23k hours and 10,5 TB written

samsung 860 evo (2): 23k hours and 14 TB written

 

you see, even tho i have some pretty long, they are nowhere near the 220TB written.

 

last but not least the gpu. if you end up with the 3070ti cause of the price, you maybe should consider the 6800 xt, it smokes the 3070 ti every time significantly, but the biggest benefactor is the ram, 8 GB compared to 16 GB. if you still wanna rgo with the 3070ti then, its fine, your decision, "but" first look for yourself. NV-RT is not the end all be all, nor is DLSS and at a certain point, dlss wont help, if the ram is not enough, so the textures get unloaded and reloaded over and over again, which is just awful. that does happen with 4070ti for example.

 

ok, thats all  dont wanna see you make a decsion that bites you in the butt later.

So, thanks for the advice! I found another ram, which should be better: link

Looking online, on the manufacturer's website, I found this:

 

G.Skill: 

Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO)

32-38-38-96

 

Corsair:

SPD Latency 40-40-40-77

 

Sooo... which is better?

 

Regarding the ssd, I found the samsung at a pretty cheap price, just 5€ more than the crucial ones.

 

And, regarding the graphics card... you are right, but the market here in Europe (or maybe just in Italy) for the GPUs is... funny. I buy what I can. It's been years since I wanted to build a PC, and I never had the opportunity or money, but now, I'm going for it. Of course, if I see something better than the RTX 3070 Ti, I will go for it, if not... well, it's better than nothing. My brother has a 3060 Ti, and it works pretty well, I'm not very demanding, and probably, I will use the computer to play old games that I never had the chance to play properly.

Anyone, I could alway sell the card, and get a better one, if the opportunity presents...

[Locutus von Borg]

16 hours ago, not_MrFrost said:

So, thanks for the advice! I found another ram, which should be better: link

Looking online, on the manufacturer's website, I found this:

 

G.Skill: 

Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO)

32-38-38-96

 

Corsair:

SPD Latency 40-40-40-77

 

Sooo... which is better?

 

Regarding the ssd, I found the samsung at a pretty cheap price, just 5€ more than the crucial ones.

 

And, regarding the graphics card... you are right, but the market here in Europe (or maybe just in Italy) for the GPUs is... funny. I buy what I can. It's been years since I wanted to build a PC, and I never had the opportunity or money, but now, I'm going for it. Of course, if I see something better than the RTX 3070 Ti, I will go for it, if not... well, it's better than nothing. My brother has a 3060 Ti, and it works pretty well, I'm not very demanding, and probably, I will use the computer to play old games that I never had the chance to play properly.

Anyone, I could alway sell the card, and get a better one, if the opportunity presents...

if both ram have the same frequency the gskill is better, but if the corsair has higher clock speeds than that one could be faster

 

regarding gpu, i dont know what you have right now, but maybe its worth waiting then. 3070ti hs "no future", especially is resolution higher than fullhd and it already shows its limits in that as well. the gpu performance could get you a few years, but the ram ... im honest, 8gb are a clear disqualification when u wanna game on higher setting and / or resolutions. 8gb of ram makes any card a mid range one. you will be better off waiting then instead and get a gpu later.

 

when you get the 3070ti, i guarentee you will notice the influence of just having not enough ram. there are also more than enough videos out there already i think. most prominent game is hogwards legacy. and if one thing is a safe call, then game will just need more ram, not less.

 

but in the end it is up to you. if you have a very old card for ecample... then sure, it will be an upgrade, but one thats not lasting for very long.

[not_MrFrost]

4 hours ago, Locutus von Borg said:

if both ram have the same frequency the gskill is better, but if the corsair has higher clock speeds than that one could be faster

 

regarding gpu, i dont know what you have right now, but maybe its worth waiting then. 3070ti hs "no future", especially is resolution higher than fullhd and it already shows its limits in that as well. the gpu performance could get you a few years, but the ram ... im honest, 8gb are a clear disqualification when u wanna game on higher setting and / or resolutions. 8gb of ram makes any card a mid range one. you will be better off waiting then instead and get a gpu later.

 

when you get the 3070ti, i guarentee you will notice the influence of just having not enough ram. there are also more than enough videos out there already i think. most prominent game is hogwards legacy. and if one thing is a safe call, then game will just need more ram, not less.

 

but in the end it is up to you. if you have a very old card for ecample... then sure, it will be an upgrade, but one thats not lasting for very long.

Very interesting, thanks!

Anyway, I should have linked the RAM that I was talking about; THIS is the G.Skill, and THIS is the Corsair Vengeance. Also, if it goes down in price, I was considering THIS, also from corsair.

 

About the GPU... yeah, I think you are right. I wish I could just add more VRAM, like the normal RAM on the motherboard lol. I hope I'll get some good deals, thanks for the advice.

[Locutus von Borg]

On 7/9/2023 at 7:37 PM, not_MrFrost said:

Very interesting, thanks!

Anyway, I should have linked the RAM that I was talking about; THIS is the G.Skill, and THIS is the Corsair Vengeance. Also, if it goes down in price, I was considering THIS, also from corsair.

 

About the GPU... yeah, I think you are right. I wish I could just add more VRAM, like the normal RAM on the motherboard lol. I hope I'll get some good deals, thanks for the advice.

the last ones from corsair are the best of those 3, then the gskill and the first corsair are dead last. between the first and last is already a good difference. 30 and 36 ms timings is a lot. i made a quick search and luckily found a good article about that on igors lab. i think thats very good for you to understand the whole thing and have all the infos you need in order to make a good decision.

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/ryzen-7000-tuning-guide-infinity-fabric-expo-dual-rank-samsung-and-hynix-ddr5-in-practice-test-with-benchmarks-recommendations/7/

 

my opinion on this: you keep your ram until you get a new pc, but you most likely will change your graphics cards several times. buying good ram now, even if its 40 bucks more expensive, will last the systems lifetime (unless it breaks xD). unlike graphics cards, which you will buy 2 or 3 in that same time and therefore get the new stuff anyways.

 

i, 12 years ago put 16gb of ram in my pc and got laughed at, because it was so much and "unnecessary". well that pc lasted 10 years. now i made again no compromises and threw 128gb in my machine. granted that is too much now for the usual user, but i actually had use-cases for that. but if that lasts me another 10 years, it was completely worth it.

 

also, before i forget, keep an eye on expo, which is the amd-equivalent to intels xmp. there were slight problems in the past, but i havent heared of for some time now and the article also covers expo as well. i realy can recommend that site as a whole.

 

have a good one.

[not_MrFrost]

21 hours ago, Locutus von Borg said:

the last ones from corsair are the best of those 3, then the gskill and the first corsair are dead last. between the first and last is already a good difference. 30 and 36 ms timings is a lot. i made a quick search and luckily found a good article about that on igors lab. i think thats very good for you to understand the whole thing and have all the infos you need in order to make a good decision.

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/ryzen-7000-tuning-guide-infinity-fabric-expo-dual-rank-samsung-and-hynix-ddr5-in-practice-test-with-benchmarks-recommendations/7/

 

my opinion on this: you keep your ram until you get a new pc, but you most likely will change your graphics cards several times. buying good ram now, even if its 40 bucks more expensive, will last the systems lifetime (unless it breaks xD). unlike graphics cards, which you will buy 2 or 3 in that same time and therefore get the new stuff anyways.

 

i, 12 years ago put 16gb of ram in my pc and got laughed at, because it was so much and "unnecessary". well that pc lasted 10 years. now i made again no compromises and threw 128gb in my machine. granted that is too much now for the usual user, but i actually had use-cases for that. but if that lasts me another 10 years, it was completely worth it.

 

also, before i forget, keep an eye on expo, which is the amd-equivalent to intels xmp. there were slight problems in the past, but i havent heared of for some time now and the article also covers expo as well. i realy can recommend that site as a whole.

 

have a good one.

Ok, so I have some updates!

I bought most of the stuff with Prime Day, here the list:

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€350.00) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory  (€125.99) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  (€43.69) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  (€84.99) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€134.99) 
Custom: MSI Radeon RX 6800 GAMING Z TRIO 16G V1 (€581.45)
Total: €1321.11

 

As maybe you've noticed, the only thing that is missing is the motherboard. I was aiming for the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX, but I've seen a somewhat regular price changes, so it will go up and down every few days, and right now, it is up (180), and if I'm lucky, I could get it for 170-165, if I wait. The only problem, is the pieces that are available. Right now, there are the last few pieces in stock, so it will probably be out of stock soon, but I hope that they will bring it back quickly, and if not: do you have any suggestions for a motherboard under 200€?

 

Anyway, about the shopping: GPU and CPU were normal priced, but SSD, RAM, PSU and case were on sale for Prime Day; I switched to the corsair power supply (and I hope that it wasn't a mistake). Also, I went with the Corsair Vengeance, but with CL30 and not 36, and with Intel XMP (looked online, almost everybody said that it doesn't make any difference if I have an AMD CPU), also switched the SSD for the WD_Black SN770. The only thing that stayed the same was the case, and the CPU and GPU of course.

I went with the RX 6800 (non XT unfortunately), which I thinks it's a pretty solid choice, for the price and performance (16GB of VRAM anybody?). 

[not_MrFrost]

If I would have waited for one day, I would've got another 10€ off lol. The case and PSU both went down 5€ each, just after I got it. Also, I returned the SSD because... well, I mistook it for a 1TB SSD, while it was, in fact, a 500GB SSD. It was stupid of me not checking, but what can I do... I searched for "nvme 1tb" on Amazon, and it was between the top results. Well, I got the Samsung 980 instead; I paid like 7 more euros, and got a decent 1TB SSD. Also, I ended up ordering the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX; even if I like the Aorus Elite X (or whatever it was called), it was 50 more euros.

In the end, the grand total is about 1535€, including all the components, and also a key for Windows 11 (found it at 25€). A friend of mine whats to gift to me some rgb fans, so don't worry about that!

Thanks again for all the help!

[Locutus von Borg]

On 7/11/2023 at 7:09 PM, not_MrFrost said:

and with Intel XMP (looked online, almost everybody said that it doesn't make any difference if I have an AMD CPU), also switched the SSD for the WD_Black SN770. The only thing that stayed the same was the case, and the CPU and GPU of course.

I went with the RX 6800 (non XT unfortunately), which I thinks it's a pretty solid choice, for the price and performance (16GB of VRAM anybody?). 

sorry i just answer now, time passes by so quickly xD

yes the gpu is absolutely fine. regarding the ram on the other, i can say that it can make a difference. however if you can run them at xmp without your system crashing, then its fine. xmp was made from intel for intel and expo was made from amd for amd. i for example have a kit with an xmp profile which i can not run, which is a bummer xD

On 7/12/2023 at 9:37 PM, not_MrFrost said:

If I would have waited for one day, I would've got another 10€ off lol. The case and PSU both went down 5€ each, just after I got it. Also, I returned the SSD because... well, I mistook it for a 1TB SSD, while it was, in fact, a 500GB SSD. It was stupid of me not checking, but what can I do... I searched for "nvme 1tb" on Amazon, and it was between the top results. Well, I got the Samsung 980 instead; I paid like 7 more euros, and got a decent 1TB SSD. Also, I ended up ordering the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X AX; even if I like the Aorus Elite X (or whatever it was called), it was 50 more euros.

In the end, the grand total is about 1535€, including all the components, and also a key for Windows 11 (found it at 25€). A friend of mine whats to gift to me some rgb fans, so don't worry about that!

Thanks again for all the help!

its also the question, do i wait and maybe risk it going up or not xD

having a 1tb ss as main isnt necessary, ould have taken another one instead... but at the end it comes down to the budget you have available. so, nothing wrong in that sense. both motherboards look good, the "real" difference is, the aorus elite ax has a m2 pic5 slot, the gaming x ax not, as well as a thunderbolt header and one usb-c 3.2. but thats about it sure there are a few other differences as well, but i think those are the most relevant for you and i doubt its worth 80 bucks (at the time of comparing them in germany).

nope, u did not do anything wron, in other words you did all correctly.

 

and when you take a closer look, its not so far off of the suggestion you got from the other forum. slight deviations here and there, with the gpu and cpu being the biggest. cpu is debateable... but i think you have made a much better choice taking the rx 6800. so happy gaming is all there left to say

[Redicat]

As you're Italian i am not sure using PCPartPicker here is appropriate for getting the cheapest prices as there are many big local resellers missing on there in the whole of Europe in general i don't recommend using it at least in my country (Belgium) isn't there some kind of website in Italy you can compare the prices from? or do ya'll just use Amazon there i certainly doubt that

[not_MrFrost]

On 7/20/2023 at 4:01 PM, Locutus von Borg said:

sorry i just answer now, time passes by so quickly xD

yes the gpu is absolutely fine. regarding the ram on the other, i can say that it can make a difference. however if you can run them at xmp without your system crashing, then its fine. xmp was made from intel for intel and expo was made from amd for amd. i for example have a kit with an xmp profile which i can not run, which is a bummer xD

its also the question, do i wait and maybe risk it going up or not xD

having a 1tb ss as main isnt necessary, ould have taken another one instead... but at the end it comes down to the budget you have available. so, nothing wrong in that sense. both motherboards look good, the "real" difference is, the aorus elite ax has a m2 pic5 slot, the gaming x ax not, as well as a thunderbolt header and one usb-c 3.2. but thats about it sure there are a few other differences as well, but i think those are the most relevant for you and i doubt its worth 80 bucks (at the time of comparing them in germany).

nope, u did not do anything wron, in other words you did all correctly.

 

and when you take a closer look, its not so far off of the suggestion you got from the other forum. slight deviations here and there, with the gpu and cpu being the biggest. cpu is debateable... but i think you have made a much better choice taking the rx 6800. so happy gaming is all there left to say

I forgot about this discussion lol

I put the xmp profile straight at the first boot (when it booted to bios, without os). I had absolutly zero problems. Also, the motherboard has a gen 5 nvme slot, so I don't know what you are talking about... it also has type c and fast usb... I say fast, because I don't know if it's just 3.1, or 3.2, or 3.2 gen 2, bla bla bla... I don't really care; as long as it isn't usb 2, for me, it's fine. CPU works fine, a little on the toasty side (between 75 and 80 when gaming, Metro Exodus almost everything on ultra, except raytracing on high, 60 fps), but I discovered that it's just how it works. GPU also very happy.

Thanks again for all the advice from everyone!

[not_MrFrost]

On 7/20/2023 at 11:18 PM, Redicat said:

As you're Italian i am not sure using PCPartPicker here is appropriate for getting the cheapest prices as there are many big local resellers missing on there in the whole of Europe in general i don't recommend using it at least in my country (Belgium) isn't there some kind of website in Italy you can compare the prices from? or do ya'll just use Amazon there i certainly doubt that

Well, I "trust" Amazon, so I buy from there. Also, I find better prices there, almost every time. I know that there are some local stores, but it doesn't mean that they are better. Also, Amazon Prime Day; I saved about 50 euros, I could have saved even more, but anyway.