CPU advice required

[Wabi_Sebi]

Hi everyone, this is my first post here, I hope you experienced people can help  I apologize in advance for my pretty rusty english, I graduated high school 10 years ago and improved only my listening skills since then.

 

I'm planning my first build since 2017 as I have a new job and finally an income. I am not a first time builder, just a first time buyer, and I'm trying to go all in on a pc I can be proud of.

 

I am currently rocking a machine with a i5 7600k and a gtx1070, and starting to feel behind in performance, expecially in newer games (I played all of Elden Ring at around 40 fps all low and cant even reach 30 fps in Cyberpunk 2077 all low).

 

I live in Italy and I'm planning to spend around 2000€ for my new pc, that I imagined like this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QDvFRv

I already own the psu, which I am not planning on upgrading, and the gpu, that will make room for a 4070 in the not so near future.

 

My old machine will find a new purpose as my gf's first gaming item since the gameboy pocket, including the 1070 when its time will come. My new rig's main purpose will be multitasking: I always have at least one chrome tab opened, being for youtube or spotify or some chats, even when I'm gaming, and the goal is to give away as little performance as possible. I also am a heavy user of the Adobe suite, mainly Photoshop, but literally every other software is at least a weekly chore. Finally I plan on using all the new power I'll get to get back into 3D modeling in Blender and ZBrush. I aim to be able to do everything with the least amount of compromise possible.

 

Now for the question: I focused on the 13700k for the higer core count, but I would love some experts' opinions on the 7800X3D on something that is *not* gaming, as I can't find any exausting review or guide about its multitasking capabilities. I don't mind spending something more than my assested budget, I will acquire all parts I'll be chosing over the span of several months, I'm afraid, and money will increase over time.

 

(i love you all you are an awesome community and a big proof that the internet is not just a pit of badness)

[tkitch]

1) Don't buy a D15.  It's overpriced.  The AK-620, Dark Rock Pro 4, and several other coolers are just as good, and a fair bit cheaper.

 

But in your build a good 240 or 360mm AIO will perform better, since that's not a cool chip.

 

2) 2 sticks will OC better than 4.  (This includes XMP.)

 

[Redeemed_Exile]

"Some physical dimension constraints are currently not checked, such as CPU coolers and RAM clearance."
"The Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler may require a separately available mounting adapter to fit the Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard."
-these are quotes from the PC part picker list you have made

 

I personally would recommend the 13700k if your going to be doing more than just gaming for the better multi threaded applications like blender or multitasking. Just gaming the 7800x3d would be better for tho, also i wouldnt recommend getting another 1070, (unless that was a mistake in the PC part picker link you have) cause it will definately be bottlenecked by either CPU you decide to go with, id say a 4070ti, 3080, or 3090/3090 ti would be great for these, or even a 4080/4090 if you have an extra kidney lying around.

[Dr. Will0hlep]

Not the advice you were after but: 1) you could save money on RAM if you ditch the RGB (also 2 sticks is better than 4). 2) What features of a Z790 motherboard are you after? buying more expensive boards only gives you more feature, not more performance (unless you plan to overclock).

Keep in mind, if your not buying the parts now, you'll need to alter your list as the market changes.

[Bismut]

3 minutes ago, Wabi_Sebi said:

I would love some experts' opinions on the 7800X3D on something that is *not* gaming, as I can't find any exausting review or guide about its multitasking capabilities

Not an expert, but it should be fine, and really good for gaming (rivaling the 7950X good). It really lags behindf you're purely rendering (as in, hammering the cores at 100% by exporting, compressing, benchmarking).

Look up comparisons between the CPUs for non-gaming I guess? Gamers Nexus does exhaustive benchmarks in all kinds of tasks and Puget Systems does too, I believe.

 

But your build looks great, I would consider an RX 6950XT instead since it is supposed to be really good for about the same price

[tkitch]

Look up the Gamers Nexus review of the 7950 X3D For a productivity app comparison.  

 

They didn't do as much on the 7800, as it would mostly have been a rehash of info. 

[Wabi_Sebi]

23 minutes ago, Redeemed_Exile said:

also i wouldnt recommend getting another 1070

just included to check on compatibility, I'll be using the one I already own for a while

 

26 minutes ago, tkitch said:

1) Don't buy a D15.  It's overpriced.  The AK-620, Dark Rock Pro 4, and several other coolers are just as good, and a fair bit cheaper.

 

But in your build a good 240 or 360mm AIO will perform better, since that's not a cool chip.

 

2) 2 sticks will OC better than 4.  (This includes XMP.)

I am not sure how to handle an AIO, I have always been keen to air cooling expecially for the easier cleaning and manteniance. Also, I kinda dislike soft tubing just hanging there... I'll search for another tower cooler I visually like as much. aestethic is also a factor in this build.

Ram-wise, thanks so muck. I'll just start with 2 sticks and add more if I ever need to.

 

27 minutes ago, will0hlep said:

Not the advice you were after but: 1) you could save money on RAM if you ditch the RGB (also 2 sticks is better than 4). 2) What features of a Z790 motherboard are you after? buying more expensive boards only gives you more feature, not more performance (unless you plan to overclock).

Keep in mind, if your not buying the parts now, you'll need to alter your list as the market changes.

I purposelly left out the 200€ of rgb fans I plan to buy, whoopsie! A visually appealing box of rainbow is most of what the (sooner-or-later-to-be)wife approving factor will greenlight. For the mobo, I chose based on some "best z790" articles I found, But I surely need lots of back ports (i currently have 10 usb devices plugged in) and a good bluetooth function to use both headphones and one or more wireless controllers. Not planning to overclock a lot or to experiment with it, just for the final build to look as good as possible, with no edgy-gamer-red-and-black-sharp-edges that everyone seems to dig.

 

34 minutes ago, Bismut said:

But your build looks great, I would consider an RX 6950XT instead since it is supposed to be really good for about the same price

One of my closest freind had always used radeon gpus and always had problems of some sort, being hardware or software related. I would prefere to stick with nvidia, just out of experience... even if it means spending a little more

 

Now I'm off to watch some gamer nexus, smell y'all in a bit

[Redeemed_Exile]

Thats fair but the new CPU Will be bottlenecked pretty hard by the 1070, just to let you know! hope i helped even a little.

[Dr. Will0hlep]

10 hours ago, Wabi_Sebi said:

For the mobo, I chose based on some "best z790" articles I found, But I surely need lots of back ports (i currently have 10 usb devices plugged in) and a good bluetooth function to use both headphones and one or more wireless controllers. Not planning to overclock a lot or to experiment with it, just for the final build to look as good as possible, with no edgy-gamer-red-and-black-sharp-edges that everyone seems to dig.

yeah, judging by that list you don’t need a Z790 board. With motherboards the choice is very much a case of get what you need. One size fits all articles should be avoided.

[duckargent]

These are my thoughts:

1. I'm not an expert on Adobe as I'm not using their apps, but as far as I know the Adobe suite runs best on Intel CPUs. So if you're a Photoshop user, your best bet is the 13700K.

2. Do NOT ever mix RAM kits, or else you may be bound with an unstable system (freezes, crashes). Buy a single kit with 2X32GB DIMM. G.Skill even has a warning on their FAQ page:

"We do not recommend mixing memory kits, regardless of brand or model. By mixing memory kits together, there may be compatibility issues such as unable to boot or unable to operate at rated specifications." https://www.gskill.com/faq

3. Forget about the 2.5" 870 QVO SSD. If you need additional storage, I recommend you an ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive: it's PCIe 3.0, you have enough M.2 slots on the motherboard and it is even cheaper. I have 2 SSDs like this in my system as secondary drives, they have amazing performance and they run extremely cool.

4. I recommend you buy the Noctua NH-D15 brown color, it is cheaper and IMO it looks very nice, I love the color (I have it in my system).

5. The 7800X3D may be the best gaming CPU as of today, but in productivity apps it lags behind, so keep this in mind if you are a productivity user. The reason is that, because it is using a VCache which runs at the same frequency as the main die, and because that cache is highly sensitive to voltage, it has lower frequency/lower TDP than its siblings. Buy it only if gaming is your main focus.

6. Even though there are on the internet many articles which address both CPU and GPU bottlenecks, there is no such a state like a "GPU bottleneck". Bottleneck is a state in which one component is waiting for another component in order to finish its task and to move on to the other. The CPU does not wait for the GPU, whereas the GPU does wait for the CPU in order to render the next frame. Just because you will increase the performance with a GPU upgrade does not mean there is a bottleneck, even though the CPU is strong enough and certainly capable to feed a stronger GPU. So you will be fine with the 1070 paired with the 13700K.

[Wabi_Sebi]

Thanks everyone for your help, I'll dedicate the build to you guys and flex the final product somewhere