Build for brother

[PcBeExpensive]

Budget (including currency): Around 3100 AUD, can bump up to 3250.

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: COD, Asseto Corsa, Forza Horizon 5, Iracing, Hogwarts legacy, Phasmaphobia and Minecraft

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Already have keyboard and mouse and want to play in 1080P unless the GPU is a better card for 1440P, I do want to be getting 75fps plus in all these games with ray tracing on.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/v4pRd9

[TPCEA]

3 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

Budget (including currency): Around 3100 AUD, can bump up to 3250.

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: COD, Asseto Corsa, Forza Horizon 5, Iracing, Hogwarts legacy, Phasmaphobia and Minecraft

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Already have keyboard and mouse and want to play in 1080P unless the GPU is a better card for 1440P, I do want to be getting 75fps plus in all these games with ray tracing on.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/v4pRd9

Just curious why you didn't choose a bigger AIO?

 

Don't forget about the firmware of the 980.

[PcBeExpensive]

2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Just curious why you didn't choose a bigger AIO?

 

Don't forget about the firmware of the 980.

sorry what do you mean firmware of 980? Is this about the recent 2TB 980 drive issues? IF so whats going on? I though the case can only fit a 280mm AIO on the top?

[brob]

If you haven't already, consider getting the optional USB-C front panel port, https://www.pccasegear.com/products/57842/fractal-design-usb-c-10gb-cable-model-e.

 

It's a good looking build. 

 

I'd be tempted to get an ATX 3.0 PSU that natively supports the 12VHPWR connector of the GPU. Perhaps, https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-4.

 

Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro drives, along with several other models have a serious firmware issue that causes rapid decline of drive health. It is apparently fixed in a recent firmware update. 

[PDifolco]

5 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

Budget (including currency): Around 3100 AUD, can bump up to 3250.

Country: Australia

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: COD, Asseto Corsa, Forza Horizon 5, Iracing, Hogwarts legacy, Phasmaphobia and Minecraft

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

Already have keyboard and mouse and want to play in 1080P unless the GPU is a better card for 1440P, I do want to be getting 75fps plus in all these games with ray tracing on.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/v4pRd9

Not great for the cost imo, you could get better by getting rid of expensive stuff like the x2 price RAM and the 980 drive...

And a Z790 board would allow OC, else get a 13500/B660 to save a bit

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($458.00 @ Austin Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($99.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($411.00 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($203.16 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1479.00 @ JW Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  ($195.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Asus TUF Gaming 850G 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($219.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Total: $3133.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-03-08 23:15 AEDT+1100

 

[TPCEA]

2 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

sorry what do you mean firmware of 980? Is this about the recent 2TB 980 drive issues? IF so whats going on? I though the case can only fit a 280mm AIO on the top?

Some 980s and @brobsaid 990sand maybe others have a firmware version that will corrupt the SSD until it permanently changes it to read-only to protect from further corruption. Upgrading the firmware fixes it. 

 

I thought you might front-mount the AIO, that's all.  No worries, mate. 

[PcBeExpensive]

9 hours ago, brob said:

If you haven't already, consider getting the optional USB-C front panel port, https://www.pccasegear.com/products/57842/fractal-design-usb-c-10gb-cable-model-e.

 

It's a good looking build. 

 

I'd be tempted to get an ATX 3.0 PSU that natively supports the 12VHPWR connector of the GPU. Perhaps, https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/phVmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-4.

 

Samsung 980 Pro and 990 Pro drives, along with several other models have a serious firmware issue that causes rapid decline of drive health. It is apparently fixed in a recent firmware update. 

I will get the optional USB-C front panel, thanks for the great reccomendations. Also the onne about the 3.0 PSU. I believe the one that @PDifolcoreccomended is a 3.0 PSU.

8 hours ago, PDifolco said:

Not great for the cost imo, you could get better by getting rid of expensive stuff like the x2 price RAM and the 980 drive...

And a Z790 board would allow OC, else get a 13500/B660 to save a bit

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($458.00 @ Austin Computers) 
CPU Cooler: Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler  ($99.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($411.00 @ Skycomp Technology) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory  ($69.00 @ MSY Technology) 
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($203.16 @ Amazon Australia) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($1479.00 @ JW Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Pop XL Air ATX Full Tower Case  ($195.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: Asus TUF Gaming 850G 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($219.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Total: $3133.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-03-08 23:15 AEDT+1100

 

I want an AIO for show.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RjkyMb
I know this build is about 20 over budget but I think thats fine. I also went to a 1tb drive.

7 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Some 980s and @brobsaid 990sand maybe others have a firmware version that will corrupt the SSD until it permanently changes it to read-only to protect from further corruption. Upgrading the firmware fixes it. 

 

I thought you might front-mount the AIO, that's all.  No worries, mate. 

All good, So is the 980 2tb SSD fine? I have decided to go with a 1tb drive for now and will go upgrade in a coupla months.

[TPCEA]

10 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

I will get the optional USB-C front panel, thanks for the great reccomendations. Also the onne about the 3.0 PSU. I believe the one that @PDifolcoreccomended is a 3.0 PSU.

I want an AIO for show.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RjkyMb
I know this build is about 20 over budget but I think thats fine. I also went to a 1tb drive.

All good, So is the 980 2tb SSD fine? I have decided to go with a 1tb drive for now and will go upgrade in a coupla months.

As long as you upgrade the firmware version immediately, yes, it should be. @brobAny thoughts?

[PcBeExpensive]

1 minute ago, RevGAM said:

As long as you upgrade the firmware version immediately, yes, it should be. @brobAny thoughts?

ok. but I shouldn't be affected by it seeing that this does not impact the 1tb drives.

[TPCEA]

24 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

ok. but I shouldn't be affected by it seeing that this does not impact the 1tb drives.

"According to Puget, the failures traced back to the 3B2QGXA7 firmware and primarily affect 2TB versions of the 980 Pro (although lower capacities are not entirely immune)."
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-980-pro-ssd-failures-firmware-update
It's not just the 980 Pro & 990 Pro, and not just the 2 TB SSDs, apparently. https://nascompares.com/2023/02/15/failing-samsung-980-and-990-ssds-latest-update-offical-response-more/

[PcBeExpensive]

2 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

"According to Puget, the failures traced back to the 3B2QGXA7 firmware and primarily affect 2TB versions of the 980 Pro (although lower capacities are not entirely immune)."
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-980-pro-ssd-failures-firmware-update
It's not just the 980 Pro & 990 Pro, and not just the 2 TB SSDs, apparently. https://nascompares.com/2023/02/15/failing-samsung-980-and-990-ssds-latest-update-offical-response-more/

ok so I should just install the drive and update it to the latest firmware?

[brob]

11 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

ok so I should just install the drive and update it to the latest firmware?

 

Yes.

 

Since the problem is in a particular firmware release I would not be surprised to learn that it affects all capacities.

[PDifolco]

47 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

ok so I should just install the drive and update it to the latest firmware?

Really the 980 is overpriced (even without firmware issues..), the WD SN770 performs as well for 30% less...

[TPCEA]

5 minutes ago, PDifolco said:

Really the 980 is overpriced (even without firmware issues..), the WD SN770 performs as well for 30% less...

Samsung's always been overpriced , but I agree that for most metrics the SN770 is just as good.

[PcBeExpensive]

49 minutes ago, RevGAM said:

Samsung's always been overpriced , but I agree that for most metrics the SN770 is just as good.

so should I go with the SN770? I went for 980 pro because thats what I have and its good.

[Queen Chrysalis]

38 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

so should I go with the SN770? I went for 980 pro because thats what I have and its good.

For gaming performance beyond a certain level really doesn't matter at all.  I have an NVMe in my system but most of my games are on a SATA drive, and frankly, save for a few offenders, there is no difference.  You can use a Solidigm P41 or a Kingston NV2 usually for a lot less and the never be any the wiser.

[PcBeExpensive]

13 minutes ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

For gaming performance beyond a certain level really doesn't matter at all.  I have an NVMe in my system but most of my games are on a SATA drive, and frankly, save for a few offenders, there is no difference.  You can use a Solidigm P41 or a Kingston NV2 usually for a lot less and the never be any the wiser.

I want an M.2, less cablework. My cable managment skills are not the best. SO are you suggesting I get a M.2 for boot drive adn then a SATA SSD for games?

[Queen Chrysalis]

8 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

I want an M.2, less cablework. My cable managment skills are not the best. SO are you suggesting I get a M.2 for boot drive adn then a SATA SSD for games?

No, both of the models I suggested were M.2 drives.  I'm saying you are WAY overthinking it by looking at performance numbers between NVMes (especially gen 4 NVMes) for a gaming computer.  They are all fast enough, by a long shot, for it not to mattert.

 

But yes, If you find a better price per GB on say, a 1TB NVMe, ge tthat first.  When that drive is full, you can add, say, a 2TB SATA drive for probably a lot less than a 2TB NVMe, and 90% of games will load just as fast on that.  You can use the 1TB NVME you purchased previously for the games that would benefit from it.

 

But for your initial purchase just get whatever Gen 4 NVMe has the best price per GB.

[TPCEA]

1 hour ago, PcBeExpensive said:

so should I go with the SN770? I went for 980 pro because thats what I have and its good.

Queen is correct to all intents and purposes.

 

If you have a 980, have you checked its firmware version, or checked it for increasing errors?

Personally, I have an SN770 and, while it's not the fastest, it's comparable to the 980 and a lot cheaper - with no errors. The NV2 is on the low end of speeds (not that you're going to notice in most instances) and is even cheaper, I believe.

Getting a SATA NVMe is cheaper than M.2 PCIe (with or without NVMe) or PCIe, AFAIK.

[PcBeExpensive]

5 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Queen is correct to all intents and purposes.

 

If you have a 980, have you checked its firmware version, or checked it for increasing errors?

Personally, I have an SN770 and, while it's not the fastest, it's comparable to the 980 and a lot cheaper - with no errors. The NV2 is on the low end of speeds (not that you're going to notice in most instances) and is even cheaper, I believe.

Getting a SATA NVMe is cheaper than M.2 PCIe (with or without NVMe) or PCIe, AFAIK.

I have not had any problems with it yet.

[PcBeExpensive]

5 hours ago, Queen Chrysalis said:

 

 

But for your initial purchase just get whatever Gen 4 NVMe has the best price per GB.

How is a Crucial P3 plus?

5 hours ago, RevGAM said:

Personally, I have an SN770 and, while it's not the fastest, it's comparable to the 980 and a lot cheaper - with no errors. The NV2 is on the low end of speeds (not that you're going to notice in most instances) and is even cheaper, I believe.

 

the SN770 is about 20 bucks more than the Crucial P3 Plus, should I then go with the Crucial P3 Plus or SN770?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/DjhJLs
Also since there is about an extra 100 left in budget should I spend an extra 50 and get a different case with better airflow? Was think o11 but do you people have better cases for airflow.

[TPCEA]

3 hours ago, PcBeExpensive said:

How is a Crucial P3 plus?

the SN770 is about 20 bucks more than the Crucial P3 Plus, should I then go with the Crucial P3 Plus or SN770?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/DjhJLs
Also since there is about an extra 100 left in budget should I spend an extra 50 and get a different case with better airflow? Was think o11 but do you people have better cases for airflow.

I'm glad your Samsung isn't having troubles.

Look, like @Queen Chrysalis said, you usually won't notice any difference between the fastest drives and the rest, except for the really bad ones (not to mention the scams). On paper, the differences can look important but, to our pathetic brains, it's too imperceptible. Watch this video and then consider the actual difference in numbers:

Get what you want. If you want to save money and get a "slower" drive so you can have more for a better case, do that. You don't have to spend a lot to get great airflow, though. Right, Queen?

[PcBeExpensive]

1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

I'm glad your Samsung isn't having troubles.

Look, like @Queen Chrysalis said, you usually won't notice any difference between the fastest drives and the rest, except for the really bad ones (not to mention the scams). On paper, the differences can look important but, to our pathetic brains, it's too imperceptible. Watch this video and then consider the actual difference in numbers:

Get what you want. If you want to save money and get a "slower" drive so you can have more for a better case, do that. You don't have to spend a lot to get great airflow, though. Right, Queen?

Its a 4070 ti thats drawing 280W and I will probably overclock it to what I can. Only downside of the o11 is I will have to buy a bigger aio and more fans. about 7 more fans. I want to go with unifans too so that will cost an extra maybe 180? And the o11 is around 50 bucks mor expensive. I'm willing to put in a bit of my own money to up the budget to 3300 but not more.

[PcBeExpensive]

1 hour ago, RevGAM said:

I'm glad your Samsung isn't having troubles.Look, like @Queen Chrysalis said, you usually won't notice any difference between the fastest drives and the rest, except for

the really bad ones

So should I go with the cheaper P3 Plus?

[TPCEA]

9 minutes ago, PcBeExpensive said:

So should I go with the cheaper P3 Plus?

Did you watch the TechTesters video? Choose based on those results and your brother's needs.

 

Not really sure why you want the O11...? @Queen Chrysaliswould be the best bet for a case suggestion.