Upgrading to a new pc

[zzHaydzz]

Budget (including currency): 3,000$ USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Planning to use for triple A games etc.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I'm upgrading from a PC with a Ryzen 5 5600X, NVIDIA RTX 3060TI, The power supply is something I low balled its a 750W gold, 2x8 GB ram 16G. I will give a picture of what I'm upgrading too and wanting to know if theres any improvements or changes I can make to the computer and whether everything is compatible. Let me know what I should change.

Cooler is a NZXT Kraken Z73 RGB 52.44 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

[DreamCat04]

19 minutes ago, zzHaydzz said:

Budget (including currency): 3,000$ USD

Country: USA

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Planning to use for triple A games etc.

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): I'm upgrading from a PC with a Ryzen 5 5600X, NVIDIA RTX 3060TI, The power supply is something I low balled its a 750W gold, 2x8 GB ram 16G. I will give a picture of what I'm upgrading too and wanting to know if theres any improvements or changes I can make to the computer and whether everything is compatible. Let me know what I should change.

Cooler is a NZXT Kraken Z73 RGB 52.44 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

Do you really need 12TB of storage? Also 64GB of RAM is very overkill for a gaming PC. 32GB is the absolute most I would go with in a gaming system. I have 48 GB in my PC and while playing games and having a bunch of other stuff open like Discord and Spotify and maybe Edge, I very rarely exceed 20GB. But the advantage of going with 32GB would be that you can disable the page file to save a few GB of writes daily to your SSD.

Also I would STRONGLY recommend to get an M.2 SSD to put windows onto. It will make your system feel much snappier than with a HDD. (ignore the last two sentences if you already have one in your old system that you can re-use. There might be an issue with Windows being tied to your old MB, so you might have to get a new windows license).

Other than that, it's a pretty good upgrade. Are you re-using the AIO from your old system? Then it's good to get new thermal paste. If the AIO was new, you could just use the stock TP, they're usually pretty good.

Edited November 15, 2022 by DreamCat04

[venomtail]

You COULD just upgrade your existing machine but we'd need more info on that.

 

The build you've posted is a mess.

 

No SSD? Quad channel for Ryzen and to only play games AND 64GB?

A build like this instead will serve you much better. I've spend a lot on RGB and still have like $800 left over. White theme as well just how you want it. Pretty sure as far as I remember there wasn't any real loss with ddr4 for 13th gen for games:

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600K 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor  ($300.00 @ Best Buy) 
CPU Cooler: Lian Li GALAHAD AIO 360 RGB UNI FAN SL120 EDITION 58.54 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($179.84 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard  ($239.99 @ Amazon) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Xtreem ARGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Gigabyte AORUS Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: PNY CS2140 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($134.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: ASRock OC Formula Radeon RX 6900 XT 16 GB Video Card  ($749.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($97.49 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Corsair RM850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($139.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Lian Li UNI SL120 58.54 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack  ($79.99 @ Newegg Sellers) 
Total: $2262.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-15 03:45 EST-0500

[Dukesilver27-]

Assuming you already have the cooler, X570 board, and 3200 2X8GB RAM.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HKhtbK

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.4 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($359.00 @ Amazon) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken Z73 73.11 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: MSI MAG X570S TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Kingston NV2 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive  ($69.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 4 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($67.98 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 8 TB 3.5" 5400 RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($119.99 @ Amazon) 
Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB Video Card  ($949.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case  ($97.49 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 Snow - TT Premium 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($96.99 @ Newegg) 
Total: $1761.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-11-15 04:05 EST-0500

[Tegneren]

33 minutes ago, venomtail said:

No SSD? Quad channel for Ryzen and to only play games AND 64GB?

Four ram sticks is not the same as quad channel. There has even been shown to give a small performance uplift to run four sticks vs two on ryzen 5000 series(in some cases).

However, two sticks is in general more stable and easier to overclock with. But IF your'e going with four sticks, its recommended to buy a kit of four in stead of two kits of two. Thats the only way to guarantee your'e getting the exact same.

I agree 64GB is way overkill for gaming

 

42 minutes ago, venomtail said:

Pretty sure as far as I remember there wasn't any real loss with ddr4 for 13th gen for games:

Hardware Unboxed showed a quite significant difference on DDR5 vs DDR4 on 13th gen, it was of course with a 4090, so no GPU bottleneck.

I see no reason to go for DDR4 if you can afford the upgrade to DDR5

 

[venomtail]

19 minutes ago, Tegneren said:

Four ram sticks is not the same as quad channel. There has even been shown to give a small performance uplift to run four sticks vs two on ryzen 5000 series(in some cases).

My knowledge is most likely out of date. I remember Zen+ four sticks used to be the same or worse in performance than two sticks. Also overclocking stability on four sticks was terrible apparently, even to the point where motherboard manufacturers made full size boards with only two ram slots for the people going for the performance crown.

 

19 minutes ago, Tegneren said:

Hardware Unboxed showed a quite significant difference on DDR5 vs DDR4 on 13th gen, it was of course with a 4090, so no GPU bottleneck.

I see no reason to go for DDR4 if you can afford the upgrade to DDR5

Haven't kept up again but I'm pretty sure I watched another reputable reviewer who had DDR5 gains vary a lot depending on the game, however on average getting far less extra FPS than they would have spending the extra on DDR5 than DDR4. Even in Harbour Unboxed video some gains are within margin of error where as others are substantial. Maybe those results were flawed? Maybe I'm mixing up 12th gen performance on DDR5?

 

Good things these forums exist, to cross check each other.

[DreamCat04]

56 minutes ago, venomtail said:

No SSD? Quad channel for Ryzen and to only play games AND 64GB?

I agree with you. With how much I've heard about it, Ryzen doesn't like quad-stick RAM configs and tends to run them at lower speeds. He might be better off just putting all that stuff into his old system. And getting a new MoBo just to put in a CPU that is from the same gen but has a few more cores doesn't make that much sense. The recommended upgrades of @venomtailand @Dukesilver27-seem pretty good, so rather go with these rather than your combo

[Tegneren]

4 minutes ago, DreamCat04 said:

I agree with you. With how much I've heard about it, Ryzen doesn't like quad-stick RAM configs and tends to run them at lower speeds. He might be better off just putting all that stuff into his old system. And getting a new MoBo just to put in a CPU that is from the same gen but has a few more cores doesn't make that much sense. The recommended upgrades of @venomtailand @Dukesilver27-seem pretty good, so rather go with these rather than your combo

I dont think its as big deal as it was on earlier ryzen. 

I have used the same sticks in both a 1700X and 3700X on a X370 board, and currently a 5800X on B550.

On the 1700X I was (after some BIOS updates) able to run two sticks at XMP speeds 3200MT CL14. on the 3600X and the current 5800X they easily overclock to 3600MT CL16 with four sticks. 

This is of course only a sample size of one