New long term build

[Terrokkar]

Budget (including currency): 1500+- EUR for RAM CPU MB and GPU

Country: Greece

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Any game for forseeable future, along with a lot fo remote desktop/admin and multitasking

Other details Rest of the build such as case, PSU etc. will be picked later or used from previous build if it fits. Non issue. 3 monitor setup, 1440p ultrawide for gaming, 1080p for random stuff and a 4k for viewing stuff.

 

So boys, im currently in a bit of a pickle, and ive got some questions that seemingly noone on the internet is willing to ask or answer and after 2 days of search ive turned here. 

 

I was waiting for Raptor lake and Ryzen 7000 to come out and see if it was still worth to buy a 5800X3D or for something like 7600x or 7700x or 13600k and it seems that theyre pretty close to tied with only major difference being the platform. Im more of a build solid PC and use it for 6 years kinda guy so im looking for something with good potential for longevity or "future proofing" if you can call it that.

 

Both 13600k and 5800x3d are dead end platforms and AM5 seemingly sees some performance issues vs others and forcing you to go for DDR5.

 

The main questions i have are:

 

1. In LTTs 13th gen video there was comparison in performance scaling between 3090ti and 4090 and 5800x3d seemed to suffer hard. Is there a possible bottleneck somewhere that noone talks about? Does this mean that 5800X3D will drop harder in value as time goes on?

 

2. In case of going for AM5 or Raptor lake platform, what kind of DDR5 speeds would be considered good enough to still be good in a few years so i can carry over the RAM in case of an upgrade. Im currently looking at 6400CL32 kit at 300EUR that seems to fit that pretty well but id like you guys to drop some opinion on that. Side question: 6400CL32 surely has to be the higher quality Hynix die as opposed to Micron or Samsung right?

 

Thank you for your help,

Rok

 

[Luka95]

11 minutes ago, Terrokkar said:

Budget (including currency): 1500+- EUR for RAM CPU MB and GPU

Country: Greece

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Any game for forseeable future, along with a lot fo remote desktop/admin and multitasking

Other details Rest of the build such as case, PSU etc. will be picked later or used from previous build if it fits. Non issue.

 

So boys, im currently in a bit of a pickle, and ive got some questions that seemingly noone on the internet is willing to ask or answer and after 2 days of search ive turned here. 

 

I was waiting for Raptor lake and Ryzen 7000 to come out and see if it was still worth to buy a 5800X3D or for something like 7600x or 7700x or 13600k and it seems that theyre pretty close to tied with only major difference being the platform. Im more of a build solid PC and use it for 6 years kinda guy so im looking for something with good potential for longevity or "future proofing" if you can call it that.

 

Both 13600k and 5800x3d are dead end platforms and AM5 seemingly sees some performance issues vs others and forcing you to go for DDR5.

 

The main questions i have are:

 

1. In LTTs 13th gen video there was comparison in performance scaling between 3090ti and 4090 and 5800x3d seemed to suffer hard. Is there a possible bottleneck somewhere that noone talks about? Does this mean that 5800X3D will drop harder in value as time goes on?

 

2. In case of going for AM5 or Raptor lake platform, what kind of DDR5 speeds would be considered good enough to still be good in a few years so i can carry over the RAM in case of an upgrade. Im currently looking at 6400CL32 kit at 300EUR that seems to fit that pretty well but id like you guys to drop some opinion on that. Side question: 6400CL32 surely has to be the higher quality Hynix die as opposed to Micron or Samsung right?

 

Thank you for your help,

Rok

 

Hii, i wouldn't go for AM5 platform because its first generation and it wont be relevant later on anyway, remember first ddr4 ram it was 2133MHz and later on it was 3200 and 3600MHz, so i wouldnt ever go with first gen.

For cpu ryzen 7 3D is great opcion and i would pare it with rx 6800 and thats it, great combo for many years to come Dont be hasty with am5 because its to early in my opinion.

[DEADPOOLSMOM]

18 minutes ago, Terrokkar said:

Budget (including currency): 1500+- EUR for RAM CPU MB and GPU

Country: Greece

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  Any game for forseeable future, along with a lot fo remote desktop/admin and multitasking

Other details Rest of the build such as case, PSU etc. will be picked later or used from previous build if it fits. Non issue.

 

So boys, im currently in a bit of a pickle, and ive got some questions that seemingly noone on the internet is willing to ask or answer and after 2 days of search ive turned here. 

 

I was waiting for Raptor lake and Ryzen 7000 to come out and see if it was still worth to buy a 5800X3D or for something like 7600x or 7700x or 13600k and it seems that theyre pretty close to tied with only major difference being the platform. Im more of a build solid PC and use it for 6 years kinda guy so im looking for something with good potential for longevity or "future proofing" if you can call it that.

 

Both 13600k and 5800x3d are dead end platforms and AM5 seemingly sees some performance issues vs others and forcing you to go for DDR5.

 

The main questions i have are:

 

1. In LTTs 13th gen video there was comparison in performance scaling between 3090ti and 4090 and 5800x3d seemed to suffer hard. Is there a possible bottleneck somewhere that noone talks about? Does this mean that 5800X3D will drop harder in value as time goes on?

 

2. In case of going for AM5 or Raptor lake platform, what kind of DDR5 speeds would be considered good enough to still be good in a few years so i can carry over the RAM in case of an upgrade. Im currently looking at 6400CL32 kit at 300EUR that seems to fit that pretty well but id like you guys to drop some opinion on that. Side question: 6400CL32 surely has to be the higher quality Hynix die as opposed to Micron or Samsung right?

 

Thank you for your help,

Rok

 

I would go 7700x+B650 board,

 

As far as ram, DDR5 6000cl36/cl32 seems to be the max point before it gets super pricy

[Terrokkar]

4 minutes ago, ShawtyT30beTHICCC said:

I would go 7700x+B650 board,

 

As far as ram, DDR5 6000cl36/cl32 seems to be the max point before it gets super pricy

I dont mind the price that much, if i pay 50EUR extra for something that will still be reasonably competitive towards the end of DDR5 era. Im just asking if these 6400CL32 are the kinds of numbers that will age like wine? or milk? 

[RONOTHAN##]

15 minutes ago, Terrokkar said:

1. In LTTs 13th gen video there was comparison in performance scaling between 3090ti and 4090 and 5800x3d seemed to suffer hard. Is there a possible bottleneck somewhere that noone talks about? Does this mean that 5800X3D will drop harder in value as time goes on?

Not all games benefit from the extra cache on the 5800X3D the same way, and it is possible for games with significantly larger textures to overload it and be back to a CPU core bottleneck. The cache is there to prevent the amount of time the CPU is waiting for the memory, so if the application isn't memory bottlenecked already, the extra cache won't really do anything and you're left with effectively a 5800X. 

 

18 minutes ago, Terrokkar said:

Side question: 6400CL32 surely has to be the higher quality Hynix die as opposed to Micron or Samsung right?

Yes, 6400CL32 is a guaranteed Hynix M die bin. Anything above 5600MT/s can't be Micron, and Samsung memory, while definitely worse than Hynix, isn't really that bad. Personally I'd just be going for a cheap 5600MT/s CL40 kit and overclocking it to 6000MT/s+ (both Hynix and Samsung can do 6200MT/s pretty reliably), hoping I get a Hynix bin, or just going on eBay/FB Marketplace and looking for either Corsair or G.Skill kits (those kits have a label that is a coded memory IC) and looking for something that says "ver 5.43.13" (Corsair) or has one of the model numbers end with "20M" (G.Skill), since that's usually the cheapest way to guarantee Hynix memory outside of finding OEM sticks. 

 

24 minutes ago, Terrokkar said:

In case of going for AM5 or Raptor lake platform, what kind of DDR5 speeds would be considered good enough to still be good in a few years so i can carry over the RAM in case of an upgrade.

If you just want to enable XMP and never look back, I'd be looking at either 6000MT/s for AM5 or 6400MT/s for LGA 1700 (primary timings don't really matter that much on DDR5), though as said above, any 5600MT/s kit will overclock pretty well, so if you need more memory performance, you can overclock it and get a bit more performance.