Thoughts on Msi RTX 3090 Ti gaming X Trio ?

[Super panda]

Hi,

 

Right now I have a Evga rtx 3090 ftw3 ultra gpu and I have the option to exchange it for a brand new Msi RTX 3090 Ti Gaming X trio for only 75€ more. I'm already planning to do this but I'm just not sure what to think about the msi gaming x trio version of 3090 ti specially since it has no dual bios and only a 450w bios which is relatively low compared to other 3090 ti's with 480w or even 516w from evga ftw3 and suprim x. What do you guys think about msi trio gaming x version ? Is the 450w bios a deal breaker ?

[jones177]

It will be a bit cooler and a bit quicker.

 

I have an EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti that shares the same cooler as your card but if I bought your card I would have to add more cooling to the case. Its vram runs on the high 80s gaming.

I have the FTW3 Ultra version of the 3090 ti. It is 10c cooler on the GPU and 20c cooler on the vram.

It is 10 frames faster at 4k than my FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti and MSI 3090s

 

I have 2 MSI Gaming X Trios 3090s and a 3080 ti. All 3 are power starved if not run at stock. They are cooler than my EVGA FTW3s but they are less fun. 

The power limit on the 3090 ti version is the same at Its max limit so basically a stock card as well.

 

My FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti did fine on a 1000 watt PSU using 480 watts with no issue but I would not want to use less. It is now on a 1300 watt PSU only because it was on sale for the same price as the 1000 watt version.

 

There are 3 issues with the 3090 ti that I know of.

 

One is that using HDMI it can exceed the bandwidth of most cables. So the HDMI 2.1 cables I used for the 3090s and 3080 ti failed with the 3090 ti. 

It was not at 4k or 1440p but in 1080p testing at ultra on games like Far Cry 5 and Horizon Zero Dawn. The screen goes black. A new cable fixed it.

 

The second is that its driver setup is different that the 3090, 3080 ti, 3080.  

When I first installed the 3090 ti on my 5900x rig that used a 3080 ti I did not update the drivers. I wanted a before and after to see the difference. Without a clean install the 3090 ti ran like a 2080 ti. 

With the 3080, 3080 ti and 3080 you can swop them around with out updating drivers.

 

That can cause another problem and that is drive upgrades that benefit the 3090, 3080 ti may not with the 3090 ti. 

For me it is issues with Sweet FX on older modded games like Skyrim LE. My 3090 can run Sweet FX but the 3090 ti can not. It could on the first driver I installed but stopped working on the second.

 

The 3rd is coil whine.

My EVGAs have less coil whine than my MSIs.  

Reading user reviews on the Gaming X Trio and Suprim is a bit troubling since the issue comes up all the time. 

Two of my MSIs are mainly for productivity and they are quiet at that. 

 

Would I buy one.

Yes.

Looking at it I would say in is a bit warmer than the EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti but that is silly cool so I am ok with that. 

I would not replace my 3090 with it since I need at least one computer to run old modded games.

 

[Super panda]

1 hour ago, jones177 said:

It will be a bit cooler and a bit quicker.

 

I have an EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti that shares the same cooler as your card but if I bought your card I would have to add more cooling to the case. Its vram runs on the high 80s gaming.

I have the FTW3 Ultra version of the 3090 ti. It is 10c cooler on the GPU and 20c cooler on the vram.

It is 10 frames faster at 4k than my FTW3 Ultra 3080 ti and MSI 3090s

 

I have 2 MSI Gaming X Trios 3090s and a 3080 ti. All 3 are power starved if not run at stock. They are cooler than my EVGA FTW3s but they are less fun. 

The power limit on the 3090 ti version is the same at Its max limit so basically a stock card as well.

 

My FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti did fine on a 1000 watt PSU using 480 watts with no issue but I would not want to use less. It is now on a 1300 watt PSU only because it was on sale for the same price as the 1000 watt version.

 

There are 3 issues with the 3090 ti that I know of.

 

One is that using HDMI it can exceed the bandwidth of most cables. So the HDMI 2.1 cables I used for the 3090s and 3080 ti failed with the 3090 ti. 

It was not at 4k or 1440p but in 1080p testing at ultra on games like Far Cry 5 and Horizon Zero Dawn. The screen goes black. A new cable fixed it.

 

The second is that its driver setup is different that the 3090, 3080 ti, 3080.  

When I first installed the 3090 ti on my 5900x rig that used a 3080 ti I did not update the drivers. I wanted a before and after to see the difference. Without a clean install the 3090 ti ran like a 2080 ti. 

With the 3080, 3080 ti and 3080 you can swop them around with out updating drivers.

 

That can cause another problem and that is drive upgrades that benefit the 3090, 3080 ti may not with the 3090 ti. 

For me it is issues with Sweet FX on older modded games like Skyrim LE. My 3090 can run Sweet FX but the 3090 ti can not. It could on the first driver I installed but stopped working on the second.

 

The 3rd is coil whine.

My EVGAs have less coil whine than my MSIs.  

Reading user reviews on the Gaming X Trio and Suprim is a bit troubling since the issue comes up all the time. 

Two of my MSIs are mainly for productivity and they are quiet at that. 

 

Would I buy one.

Yes.

Looking at it I would say in is a bit warmer than the EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti but that is silly cool so I am ok with that. 

I would not replace my 3090 with it since I need at least one computer to run old modded games.

 

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

I think msi gaming x 3090 ti is overal still a solid card, my only worry about it is the 450w powerlimit, since even my ftw3 ultra 3090 has 500w powerlimit and I have seen that card drawing up to 480w. Hopefully 450w is not holding its performance back. And since it's not a dual bios card, I honestly don't want to try the bios of another 3090 ti on it with more powerlimit, but will see

[jones177]

2 hours ago, Super panda said:

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

I think msi gaming x 3090 ti is overal still a solid card, my only worry about it is the 450w powerlimit, since even my ftw3 ultra 3090 has 500w powerlimit and I have seen that card drawing up to 480w. Hopefully 450w is not holding its performance back. And since it's not a dual bios card, I honestly don't want to try the bios of another 3090 ti on it with more powerlimit, but will see

The thing that puts me off the most is shown in this video and that is how the power cable is connected. I don't think it would fit in my Llian Li o11 dynamics but it would fit in the EVO version.

The Tuff 2090 ti is $500 off now and I would like to get it but it is even taller than the MSI so definitely will not fit.

 

Update: I just bought another EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti. It was on sale for $1500 and I know it fits in my case. 

Edited July 12, 2022 by jones177
New info.

[Super panda]

2 hours ago, jones177 said:

The thing that puts me off the most is shown in this video and that is how the power cable is connected. I don't think it would fit in my Llian Li o11 dynamics but it would fit in the EVO version.

The Tuff 2090 ti is $500 off now and I would like to get it but it is even taller than the MSI so definitely will not fit.

 

Update: I just bought another EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3090 ti. It was on sale for $1500 and I know it fits in my case. 

Nice ! Evga ftw3 ultra is deffinetly high quality

[jones177]

18 minutes ago, Super panda said:

Nice ! Evga ftw3 ultra is deffinetly high quality

Thanks.

 

The 3090 ti has made 4k gaming no compromise for me since those 10 extra frames make all the difference.  

 

Good luck with the Gaming X Trio. All mine have been keepers. 

[Super panda]

29 minutes ago, jones177 said:

Thanks.

 

The 3090 ti has made 4k gaming no compromise for me since those 10 extra frames make all the difference.  

 

Good luck with the Gaming X Trio. All mine have been keepers. 

Bought the 3090 ti trio, on my way home now to test it